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Pure Thai Sativas

troutman

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Taima-da

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Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet. But the Thai Government will ruin things for old school Thai. :mad:

Well the government has just stepped away from some of the most punitive laws in the world.
They also released as many as four thousand cannabis prisoners.
And good quality ganj is available there.

And people have been saying for at least a couple of decades that old school Thai had already gone downhill.

I think there are (possibly) a lot of positives around this story yet to be appreciated from opening up the law and surely not all growers will choose to work with the government supplied stock. Certainly illegality didn't stop people choosing to use and grow ganja there.

Many of the hill tribes grow for multi purpose use and did right through the oppressive period, as I saw twenty five years ago when travelling in the north.

Thai people are good growers and I think we may in actuality see a renaissance in quality selection into the future.
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Iloveplants

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Ich habe in der Vergangenheit einige Laos-Sachen mit einigen ziemlich großen Knospen gesehen.
nicht wie der magere thai, der oft repräsentativer für Sachen aus dieser Gegend ist,
aber ich stimme zu, dass diese ziemlich groß sind und überhaupt kein sekundäres Blatt zu sein scheinen,
vielleicht war es die jahreszeit gewachsen, ferts genutzt, sonnenaspekt, etc

Sie sehen zumindest nicht solide und knusprig aus,
Die letzten Laos-Pflanzen, die ich angebaut habe, hatten viel größere Knospen als die Thais, die ich in den letzten 20 Jahren angebaut habe.
war eine kleine Überraschung, aber überhaupt keine festen Knospen, nur große, flauschige Dinger,
Also ja, ich bleibe vorerst offen und versuche vielleicht, einige zum Probieren zu bekommen ...
Hallo, dein Weed ist wirklich super.
Genial für den Sommer, weil es wach hält und die Kommunikation fördert.
Meine Freunde und ich lieben es....
Den nächsten Bericht werde ich hier schreiben.

Besten Dank nochmal und viel Erfolg.... 🌱
Grüße aus Deutschland ✌️🌱
 

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GrandpaMillenial

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Thai people are good growers and I think we may in actuality see a renaissance in quality selection into the future.
🤞🤞

I think this is it. The 70’s are gone, but every cannabis plant in existence carries pieces of dna from those legendary plants. Its just a matter of focused breeding.

People will bore of these “exotics” that are just poly hybrid blends from a few select strains.
 

Donald Mallard

el duck
Veteran
Hallo, dein Weed ist wirklich super.
Genial für den Sommer, weil es wach hält und die Kommunikation fördert.
Meine Freunde und ich lieben es....
Den nächsten Bericht werde ich hier schreiben.

Besten Dank nochmal und viel Erfolg.... 🌱
Grüße aus Deutschland ✌️🌱
Ich bin froh, dass es dir gefällt, Freund, es hört sich so an, als ob es für die Jahreszeit gut funktioniert
 

Donald Mallard

el duck
Veteran
Never get tired of seeing that plant Donald. 😄 think I remember a pic of a substantially larger specimen (?). Anyway, simply beautiful man and seems quality, positive genetics alone and crossed.

As u mentioned in your interview, hope you do or facilitate a repro.

Peace
F2F
correct f2f ,
there was a much larger girl ,
she did some good service that lass ,
and i do plan to find something as similar as i can in the future ....
 

musigny23

Well-known member
I think this is it. The 70’s are gone, but every cannabis plant in existence carries pieces of dna from those legendary plants. Its just a matter of focused breeding.

People will bore of these “exotics” that are just poly hybrid blends from a few select strains.
What went into Thai sticks were never one single type. The gene pools have carried on in spite of challenges.

The thing about Thai sticks is they were simply a cultural craft product sort of like Cuban cigars only produced less formally and specifically. They varied a lot. Generally good and often excellent until various pressures caused a decline in quality. That decline was not in the genetics but everything else about the production. If a domesticated plant population is continually grown, it will continue as it always had, even in smaller quantities (smaller to a point) It absolutely isn't a matter of "focused breeding". Some tribal domestication is about all there ever was and is all there should be. That's how the narrow leaf Thai types from area to area stay vigorous and endure for decades, centuries. Focused breeding would ruin that. That's what brought us poly hybrid blands.
 

zaprjaques

da boveda kid
That's what brought us poly hybrid blands.
In my humble opinion it was/is prohibition and the rise of indoor growing, and it all boils down to how people are making money in the west or probably around the whole planet nowadays.

Tribal domestication can be indeed focused breeding if you only use offspring from the plants one finds worthy.

Edit: I hope i dont go over board with this but, 'modern western genetics', werent they beeing bred on by a 'tribe' of people who were more or less willing to go to jail for their goals? So more or less people who were out to make money and people who wanted to get very stoned. IMHO a very distinct demographic group, a tribe if you want, who shared genetics among them and made selections according to what they liked for what ever reason (making money/getting stoned).
Now with legalization people have ran with that breeding stock wich was predestinated to be used as cash crop or get you messed up good cause if you can get in trouble for using it, it better fuck you up nicely... and turned it up a notch too.

I'm not saying this isnt the case in the rest of the world too but the rest of the world wasnt doing their selections in a controllable environment. Maybe/likely they started breeding towards spiritual use or medicine or whatever a very long time ago, maybe thats just romanticised bullshit sold by 'landrace' seedbanks to us, i dont know. For sure lives are beeing lived differently around the globe, so what ever scratches everyones itch...

However, their breeding stock was most probably not selected in a more or less controllable environment (indoors), making also for a 'richer' more diverse terroir for the plants and their offspring.
Most likely influencing the gene pools,
but what do i know...
 
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Hempy McNoodle

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Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet. But the Thai Government will ruin things for old school Thai. :mad:

This is likely done with the specific intent of disenfranchising the people of Thailand. We'll see...
 

Hempy McNoodle

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"The new rule, which comes into force on June 9, will allow people to grow cannabis plants at home after notifying their local government, but the plants will have to be of medical grade and used exclusively for medicinal purposes. Additionally, the cannabis cannot be used for commercial purposes without further licenses.


The move is the latest step in Thailand's plan to promote cannabis as a cash crop. About a third of its labor force works in agriculture, according to the World Bank."
 

GrandpaMillenial

Well-known member
It absolutely isn't a matter of "focused breeding". Some tribal domestication is about all there ever was and is all there should be. That's how the narrow leaf Thai types from area to area stay vigorous and endure for decades, centuries. Focused breeding would ruin that. That's what brought us poly hybrid blands.
Well, I agreed with you up until your last point.

at the end of the day all cannabis plants came from a single ancestor, somewhere in the hindu kush and yunnan area, thousands of years ago.

Environmental pressure and human selection guided the subspecies and local varieties.

Of course, if you take some skunk or northern lights and plant it along the mekong river its not going to magically turn into 4 meter tall lanky sativa.

But if you planted a thousand of them and half of them died to mold and you selected the seeds from your favorite survivor plants, selecting for effect. Im sure youd see quite a change in rather short order.

Now if you started with the local varieties, especially some heirloom strains, your more likely to stumble across some variations which could lead to those soaring sativas we are all after.
 

troutman

Seed Whore
If a domesticated plant population is continually grown, it will continue as it always had, even in smaller quantities (smaller to a point) It absolutely isn't a matter of "focused breeding". Some tribal domestication is about all there ever was and is all there should be. That's how the narrow leaf Thai types from area to area stay vigorous and endure for decades, centuries. Focused breeding would ruin that. That's what brought us poly hybrid blands.

Local adaptation to a natural environment is what creates Landraces. ;)

Wide leafed plants in a humid country like Thailand would get moldy in a hurry. So nature select for narrow leaves there.
If you took Afghani and Thai pure Landraces to an isolated jungle where a farmer grows them with no other Cannabis. The
plants would make a hybrid. Some of those may not do well in the humidity and over a lifetime it would be a new Landrace
cause nature selected the vigorous plants.
 
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TINY RASCAL

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musigny23

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Well, I agreed with you up until your last point.

at the end of the day all cannabis plants came from a single ancestor, somewhere in the hindu kush and yunnan area, thousands of years ago.

Environmental pressure and human selection guided the subspecies and local varieties.

Of course, if you take some skunk or northern lights and plant it along the mekong river its not going to magically turn into 4 meter tall lanky sativa.

But if you planted a thousand of them and half of them died to mold and you selected the seeds from your favorite survivor plants, selecting for effect. Im sure youd see quite a change in rather short order.

Now if you started with the local varieties, especially some heirloom strains, your more likely to stumble across some variations which could lead to those soaring sativas we are all after.
There was never a "single ancestor" that all cannabis derives from. That is a huge oversimplification of what occurred over millions of years prior to any human interaction. And that really doesn't matter with regard to what was used in Thai stick production and what exists in the same region today which was the specific focus of my comment. I encountered and handled many various batches of sticks back then so I have first hand experience of them and I've grown numerous northeast Thai/Lao contemporary types in recent years and clearly the gene pools of that era continues today, so far anyway.
 
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