Pure Thai Sativas

[Donald Mallard]

hey bigherb ,
im not very good with describing aromas ,
but the golden thai i had wasnt sweet at all ,

more along the earthy and perhaps woody aromas ,



the hempy thai cross i grew was similar smelling ,
as is the laos i grew that goes a golden colour ...



that golden thai used to really wack me bh,
it was real strong herb , and put you in what felt like another world ,
looking outward ,
i felt that with the thai stick too , like i was floating above everything looking down at it..

i vomited the second time i had thai stick ,
i was just a beginner and it was the first time i had a bong ,
after 4 i layed down and felt like i was rolling around on the floor ,
despite being still ,
i got up too fast and got very ill ,
and couldnt stop vomiting for ages ,
wasnt much fun really ,
but i went back for more the next week ... lol ..



eb , i cant see those pictures or links ,
not unless your a mrnice member ,
can you show them so we can all see too ??

 

[Donald Mallard]

now thats a lot of weed , imagine how much overall they produced to export ,
obviously millions of pounds ...

link to article is below the quote ..



During the 1980s, the U.S. government was able to convince and coerce Thailand to partner with them in a war against marijuana. In 1988 alone, the U.S. Coast Guard intercepted eight “motherships” that carried 463,000 pounds of Southeast Asian marijuana bound for American shores. However, in the end, the “victory” was Pyrrhic because Thai drug users replaced cannabis with methamphetamine that is today responsible for 90 percent of that nation’s drug arrests.


https://thediplomat.com/2018/04/thailands-legendary-marijuana/

 

[Guest]

Not my pic but nice all the same,
We used to get thai stick in the 80s but there was always speculation it was made in the uk by dodgy dealers trying to get more£ for there imported weed.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

I just finished reading the fascinating book, Thai Stick, by Maguire and Ritter. I highly recommend it. There are a number of things that I'm compelled to comment on.

I learned a lot about what I remember called honey oil. I always wondered what that was since my attempts to make this never matched the high quality that we smoked back in the 70s. B.T.W., I don't recommend attempting this. It is very dangerous, and I was lucky not to blow myself up. People are immolating themselves frequently in Oregon as people are learning how to create various Cannabis extracts. I won't go further into this because it was not from Thailand, Thai Sticks were far superior, and I made finger hash from a plant that was 50% Thai which was also superior to the honey oil.

What surprised me about this thread and backed up by the book was the idea that Thai Sticks varied greatly in quality. Being a consumer with one supplier for a decade and perhaps as many as 3 suppliers during a 15 year period, I was struck by the consistency of the quality. Obviously, my experience was filtered by my limited access, but I don't think I could have identified the differences in 3 very different products from at least 2 sources. Most of my experience was with the brown and green skinny sticks. I believe these were green and gold pictured in the book and this thread before the curing during the long sail over the ocean on their way to me. I did get to smoke some from a gold stick. It was as bright a gold/yellow color as any weed I have ever seen. The another type was the highly seeded loose pack Thai , probably from compressed brick. The high from all these 3 types we indistinguishable to me. All were highly electric, exhilarating to the point of scary at first, psychedelic, and very long lasting.

The other class of stick were fat ones with red string. These were world class quality and potency. They were arguably cleaner in effect, but also lacked the exhilaration and speediness of the skinny sticks. These were generally more well liked. I knew people who never smoked weed again after smoking the skinny sticks, but didn't see people "lose it" like that on the fat red string sticks. I would have been able to identify the differences of these in a blindfold test compared to the skinny sticks.

I got Sumatran weed that was probably somewhere in between the fat and skinny sticks. The last one I should mention is a Neville's Haze plant I grew. It had all the power, speediness, and exhilaration of the skinny sticks, but had a trippiness and euphoria that exceeded any pure Thai I have smoked. It had a trippy phase shift of consciousness that was as sudden as using psilocybin mushrooms or acid does. It is hard for me to believe that Neville's Haze does not have top quality Thai and top quality Mexican genetics in it that both expressed itself in what I grew. I have had Mexican weed that had phase shifty consciousness effects.

I still have seeds that are children from that Neville's Haze freak pheno I found. I've been saving these for when I have something of similar effect that I can breed to them because I have not found any children that express these traits, but I think that it is worth blending these Neville's Haze freak pheno genetics into the soup of my genetic blend that I have been growing. Last year's addition of Kali Mist has gotten my genetic soup throwing expressions that are close enough in effect to bring back memories of great Thai weed! I'm also being pushed to sprout these this year by the fact that it has been 15 years since I have been sitting on these Neville's Haze children. I will be lucky if those old seeds sprout.

In the next month or two, I'll be sprouting the Neville's Haze cross, Laos from the border of Thailand, the most Thai looking Zamaldelica I can find, Gypsy Thai x Mullum x Neville's Haze, and perhaps another cross of pure Thais. I have a Gypsy Thai x Koh Chang (Red Thai). I will blend the Neville's Haze with the Thai related plants, and also blend some Nepalese with the Thai plants. The goal is to add Thai genes into my Kali Mist cross that is early enough to ripen in my locale.

Speaking of my locale, I've read stories of Hmong people who were refugees that settled in the U.S. converging in N.E. California's Siskiyou county to grow ganja. I read that they are reminded of their homeland due to the geology of the area. The area has volcanic soils and a hot climate with cool nights. They may have been run off by now by the authorities and locals. Ugh! The Thai Stick book, and I believe Elmer Bud, mentioned the cool nights in N.E. Thailand. A wide daily temperature spread is a defining feature of the climate where I live, sometimes in the fall as much as a 60 degrees difference between daytime highs and nighttime lows. This is one of the reasons that mint and hops (aromatic herbs) were a couple of the crops that have historically been grown here.

Elmer - How cold were the nighttime temperatures in the northern Thai and Laos border area did you experience?

ThaiBliss

 

[Elmer Bud]

G `day TB

Well put it this way .
They had pine trees and were growing roses . Not exactly tropical .

I was there in the summer time though .

I know its a big occasion when they get the 1st frost on the mountains . It gets news coverage and lots of people flock to the mountains to see the foggy sunrises .

The cold winds come out of China and down the continent .

So 0 C not uncommon on a winter morning . Up to 20s celcius in the day time .
Summer high 30s .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thanks Elmer,

I'm amazed. I did not expect to hear temperatures so low, both daytime and nightime. I'm encouraged for my outdoor line and the local climate I'm breeding them for. Those are almost the identical temperatures that my Kali Mist cross was finishing off under this last early November. The weather is not always so favorable, but I'm not dissuaded by what I'm up against. I wish I could share the results I'm getting:

I hope I'm forgiven for the pictures of less than pure S.E. Asian. Hopefully I'll be able to make up for it by posting pictures of pure or almost pure middle Mekong river strains in a few months.

ThaiBliss

 

[Elmer Bud]

G `day TB

Hollywood has brain washed us bro .
Mekong Delta is very tropical and wet . Most places coastal get rain off the ocean . Go further north and west and there are two distinct seasons . The wet and the dry .

Cambodia is very dry and dusty in the winter . Same with NE Thailand they have had water rationing in the last few years . Gov cutting back on the amount of rice paddies and multiple crops a year .

Golden Triangle region is about 20 deg lat and at altitude .

They grow strawberries on the mountains from central Thailand north . They are a relatively new adoption and they are every where .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Land]

ThaiBliss - I'll be looking out for the pure or almost pure middle Mekong River Strains. Are they similar to the mango Thai strain?

 

[Elmer Bud]

eb , i cant see those pictures or links ,
not unless your a mrnice member ,
can you show them so we can all see too ??

G `day Folks

I tried posting the pix here , they are blocked from being copied by the forum software .

But here is the thread if you would like to check it out .

https://www.mrnice.nl/forum/6-breeders-support-information/6449-what-thai.html?highlight=Thai

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[rexamus616]

hey elmer, try taking a screen shot.

('Print Scr' button on keyboard, then paste into mspaint etc)

 

[Donald Mallard]

Thanks Elmer,

I'm amazed. I did not expect to hear temperatures so low, both daytime and nightime. I'm encouraged for my outdoor line and the local climate I'm breeding them for. Those are almost the identical temperatures that my Kali Mist cross was finishing off under this last early November. The weather is not always so favorable, but I'm not dissuaded by what I'm up against. I wish I could share the results I'm getting:
View Image
View Image
View Image
View Image

I hope I'm forgiven for the pictures of less than pure S.E. Asian. Hopefully I'll be able to make up for it by posting pictures of pure or almost pure middle Mekong river strains in a few months.

ThaiBliss

easily forgiven for such a beauty tb ,
very impressive tree man ....

 

[willydread]

Sorry for late, but now i have a right info, My friend found plants in Chiang mai, people grow cannabis for flowers, but they often use fiber, but I remembered badly, the weed was very psychoactive ...

 

[willydread]

*long neck woman Village....
My friend asking some seeds but they refused to give it to he

 

[Elmer Bud]

The very first original Haze was a late 60's three way cross of Colombian Punto Rojo, a green one, and a light magenta one, all different, all from Columbia, several years later I gave Thai and S Indian seeds that were also crossed to Haze, I had seeds of all of them, Original Haze, and Original Haze X Thai from off the stick gold Thai about 76 in Santa Cruz , called Laos at the time.
-SamS

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8486118&postcount=1924

 

[Donald Mallard]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8486118&postcount=1924

more clues eb ??



pretty sure we have established sam found the golden thai the best he had in thailand , and kept seed ,

as i mentioned there was enough of that stuff to make it to oz ,
it was called golden buddha though,
never a mention of laos .....



many aussies my age and older would remember golden buddha...

 

[Elmer Bud]

more clues eb ??



pretty sure we have established sam found the golden thai the best he had in thailand , and kept seed ,

as i mentioned there was enough of that stuff to make it to oz ,
it was called golden buddha though,
never a mention of laos .....

many aussies my age and older would remember golden buddha...

G `day Wal

The best he had in Thailand ...

He passed the Laos stick seed from import to the Haze bros and then reproed that hybrid in large numbers , and sold Haze x Thai [ Lao] in Holland.

Golden Thai never released ...

As a reference ; Twice I scored herb in Thailand that wasn`t brick . Both times it was a lot stronger than the brick .


Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Water-]

more clues eb ??



pretty sure we have established sam found the golden thai the best he had in thailand , and kept seed ,

as i mentioned there was enough of that stuff to make it to oz ,
it was called golden buddha though,
never a mention of laos .....



many aussies my age and older would remember golden buddha...

my old friend Big Eddie from the gave me some Golden Buddha once and it was seriously powerful mind bending stuff.

 

[bigherb]

G `day Wal



He passed the Laos stick seed from import to the Haze bros and then reproed that hybrid in large numbers , and sold Haze x Thai [ Lao] in Holland.

Golden Thai never released ...

As a reference ; Twice I scored herb in Thailand that wasn`t brick . Both times it was a lot stronger than the brick .


Thanks for sharin

EB .

Sams never said that he reproed that hybrid in large numbers or sold Haze x Thai in Holland

G and R.L are not brothers Sams started that name the haze bros and has always referred to j and r . R.L was the one who crossed thai to Haze , G didn’t think the Thai was as good as Haze he never crossed it to anything.

To be specific in regards to Thai in both post Sams mentions Thai from 72 and 76 Soo only R.L knows

I’m sure you recall the post we both just posted in my Haze thread

1luvbigherb

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

To explain my comment on the "Middle Mekong" strains, I don't put much importance on the difference between Thai strains on one side of the Mekong as compared to Laos strains just across the river. I doubt the climate or soil is significantly different. The ethnic groups seem to span the border/river. I believe the strains are closely related. I think the Thai Stick high is very distinctive, compared to Mexican, Colombian, or many others. I don't mean that it is distinctive from Laos, Cambodian, or Sumatran. I don't have experience with S. Indian, so it also may be similar. I also did not intend "Middle Mekong" to mean that Mango Thai is significantly different. I've never had that. I'd like to try it though. I believe I would prefer all these "Middle Mekong" strains to almost all other strains in the world. I think careful breeding, luck, timing of harvest, fortunate weather conditions, and curing could make any of these the new best after a few generations.

That being said, my Neville's Haze freak pheno had that Thai Stick high, and must have been a manifestation of the Golden Thai or Laos genetics that Sam passed onto the Haze brothers. I did mention many times that the Neville's Haze freak pheno was the only thing I grew that I thought was better than the Thai Stick I was getting back in the day. (B.T.W. EB, I grew that indoors!) This matches Sam's and Donald's assessment of the Golden Thai being the best. I do believe Donald wrote that the Super Laos was the best he's had since the Golden Thai. His Super Laos cured a beautiful golden color! Hmm... Makes one think.

I'm so blessed to have seeds from that Neville's Haze freak pheno AND the Super Laos. I can't wait to bring them together in the next few years in what I've been blending from previous Thai, Cambodian, Burmese, and possibly Laos crosses.


Middle Mekong: I'm also self justifying my intention to post pictures of my mostly Thai (Laos) strains on this thread. LOL I know it's titled "Pure Thai Sativas", but given that strains don't respect borders, I think this is the best place for them. Others have done the same, and in my opinion, it made this thread special. (thanks Samson4, Bushy, Donald, EB, and others) As always, I tend to give more detail on my "The Search for Trip Weed" thread. If you think I'm verbose here... Hahahaha

I'll give it a rest now,

ThaiBliss

 

[Donald Mallard]

G `day Wal



He passed the Laos stick seed from import to the Haze bros and then reproed that hybrid in large numbers , and sold Haze x Thai [ Lao] in Holland.

Golden Thai never released ...

As a reference ; Twice I scored herb in Thailand that wasn`t brick . Both times it was a lot stronger than the brick .


Thanks for sharin

EB .

shame cause those are the seeds id love to be growing for sure,


without doubt they would meet your criteria of top shelf gunja if they were grown in the same or similar climate at the right time of year , harvested properly and dried and cured to the old standards the thais had ...

you d love the stuff ....