ProMix BX synthetic nute advice ?

[sourpuss]

I'm confused, please enlighten me.

If I use GH 3 part(really only use 2 part Micro & bloom in flower), then it's a synthetic grow(ProMix basically an inert media), everything that I've read say's GH synthetics kill the microbe herd,,,but the Floralicious is an organic based supplement ?

"Floralicious® is an organic based bio plant enhancer made from a highly concentrated blend of plant, seaweed and mineral extracts."

Shouldn't I avoid a hybrid(synthetic/organic)growing style, or am I missing something....or just stupid ?..feel free to be honest

PS:I'm not arguing anyones advice or success, just trying to understand the science/method of it.

Ie read the same thing many times and belived it. Truth is it works.. ive also read that 4 weeks flush before harvest is good too... haha... how about no nutes at all haha... start to finish...

 

[chronosync]

Floralicious is more about the plant extracts and derivatives i believe. not too sure what else is in it. the mycorrhizae will grow in and around the nutes, regardless of chemicals. micro organisms seem to love certain chemicals. my understanding is that some organisms can tolerate a harsh and artificial environment like we create in coco, some cant. even though the GH nutrients are not "natural" the chemicals they contain obviously play a role in organic chemistry. Cannabis is tough, but i doubt we would be putting chemicals that destroy the basic functions of life all through their root system.

thats how it makes sense to me. nature always finds a way. makes me think of the panda that lives off bamboo because its too toxic for other animals. bamboo produces cyanide. organic chemicals are not always nice either.

 

[sourpuss]

Yeah i cant explain it. Way i see it is if the soil is too harsh with salts to grow bacteria and micro organisms... the plants gonna already look like shit and be shit...

This is why id try pbp again... got great results with very little skillz... but then i could say the same about advanced.... haha

 

[Bwanabud]

Ok, due to so much conflicting info, I called GH for info straight from the horses mouth

Floralicious: It's ONLY purpose is to add a earthy/soil style grow to the taste. It does NOTHING to increase yields or increase bud production, it's for taste/flavor only. It is an "organic" supplement, but has NO living biology in it...so a "dead" organic product, containing nutrients etc..

Koolbloom: This is a synthetic supplement that boosts growth and bud production weight, will significantly increase yields, and swelling of buds in late bloom.

I'll be adding Koolbloom to my GH 3 part system + CalMag additive. As a side note:The Lucas system of 2 parts GH, is totally unaffiliated with the GH company,,,they recommend continuing the 3 part system, as the directions instruct. I have used the Lucas sytem for 2 years, with no ill effects...so still thinking about that issue.

I see they have the 4 gal. pack on Amazon...Grow, Micro, Bloom, Koolbloom for $132 US shipped....good price.

 

[chronosync]

about the company recommending three parts. of course they do! why would they go through all that trouble only to find out someone makes it better by omitting a major component of their system, and not be kinda pissed? haha of course they wont say "yeah you dont really need all that stuff, just use the basics, thats all you need." at least they admit the F+ is basically for show.

im sure using the 3 part is better, giving you lots of flexibility. obv. you dont need to, and sometimes less is more.


my bottle of Floralicious+ says its comprised of %20 sea kelp. whether that tiny amount of kelp extract does anything or not.....i'd rather ruse an actual seaweed product. KoolBloom is popular and its what i have so im using it. you can add it all through flowering and then hit it with KB powder for the "double whammy" or whatever, or you can use it towards the end to stack and fatten some bud. pretty sure lots of people use it all through budding. the feed schedule i go by says to use it starting about half way into flowering. im dosing them bit by bit until a little later where it will be added every feed.

 

[chomsky]

I use Pro Mix with Happy Frog and Pearlite. about 3:1 I use Techniflora nutes at about 1/2 strength through veg and use it as instructed during 12/12. I grow under 600 hps with supplemental ligting. I have had astounding results every time. I just bought a Spydrx 1200 LED so Ill be switching my light source soon (i cant wait) however, will continue the Pro Mix and Techniflora. Ill post some pics soon of the results ive been getting then maybe start a grow thread with these LED's

 

[Bwanabud]

about the company recommending three parts. of course they do! why would they go through all that trouble only to find out someone makes it better by omitting a major component of their system, and not be kinda pissed? haha of course they wont say "yeah you dont really need all that stuff, just use the basics, thats all you need." at least they admit the F+ is basically for show.

im sure using the 3 part is better, giving you lots of flexibility. obv. you dont need to, and sometimes less is more.

Well, yes & no

The Lucas system may eliminate the Grow supplement in flower,,,but increases the Micro and Bloom in portion. So a total of 20ml per gallon of whichever GH product, doesn't change their bottom line in dollars or sales The tech didn't rip the Lucas system, just suggested to stay 3 part--reducing the Grow in flower. I only mentioned it because I thought Lucas was and approved method/system of GH.

 

[chronosync]

i see. well, its good to know you got a good customer service guy from GH. some companys dont even get back to ya.

 

[Bwanabud]

i see. well, its good to know you got a good customer service guy from GH. some companys dont even get back to ya.

If you go by the Lucas system it's a starting base of 8ml Micro & 16ml Bloom per gallon, which covers all the bases from a 3 part by increasing 2 parts incrementally....it's 6 of 1, 1/2 doz of another

I use Grow & CalMag in veg, then switch to Lucas + CalMag in flower...now I'll add the Koolbloom liquid. The Koolbloom dry is different and very strong, the tech said to be careful with it.

 

[stoned-trout]

if I gotta use nutes and not 100% organic earth juice ...I use pure blend ..good stuff...good end product better than gh which I stopped using like 15 years ago...yeehaw...I still like earth juice the best ..being able to have a flower formula with no N rocks....I don't use bloom boosters/bud hardeners ect or any fancy stuff...

 

[Bwanabud]

if I gotta use nutes and not 100% organic earth juice ...I use pure blend ..good stuff...good end product better than gh which I stopped using like 15 years ago...yeehaw...I still like earth juice the best ..being able to have a flower formula with no N rocks....I don't use bloom boosters/bud hardeners ect or any fancy stuff...

I'd love to go organic, it's just too large of a change over for my grow. Many advantages to organic, from taste/health/PH range standpoints...just too hard for me to pull off.

 

[sourpuss]

Thx for the info on floralicious!! Maybe it was the way i was doing my thjing or the strain i was running at the time. But to me if it mimics soil taste?? Or is more similar? Its a good thing. Does so in a dead way that works with syn. Although ive run across many who use a syn organic combo and swear it works. I dunno.. i think its worth the 20 or 30 bucks for a try. I think most will like it.....

 

[sturgeongeneral]

My ph is pretty constant in the hydro and promix. I dont have much swing at all and the buds taste clean with whiteish ash. With the promix if i use a sweet or molases the flavor is a little more pronounced but not much different from my hdro These are promix nugs from my last cycle.

 

[Bwanabud]

Thx for the info on floralicious!! Maybe it was the way i was doing my thjing or the strain i was running at the time. But to me if it mimics soil taste?? Or is more similar? Its a good thing. Does so in a dead way that works with syn. Although ive run across many who use a syn organic combo and swear it works. I dunno.. i think its worth the 20 or 30 bucks for a try. I think most will like it.....

If you're happy, that's all that really matters. Sometimes guys have success, and just keep doing it that way(if it ain't broke, don't fix it)...but sometimes you find out the extra shit you're adding is just costing you money...not really improving the process.

The hybrid grows are tricky in my book, without a microbe colony to feed on organic nutrients, then the enzymes can't really be absorbed...thus the plant doesn't get them. The GH wipes out all/most biologic life, so pure synthetic makes sense with that approach.

Just thought I'd drop an FYI on the Floralicious, because I was about to buy 4 gallons

My ph is pretty constant in the hydro and promix. I dont have much swing at all and the buds taste clean with whiteish ash. With the promix if i use a sweet or molases the flavor is a little more pronounced but not much different from my hdro These are promix nugs from my last cycle. View Image

They look great, my PM buds are clean also...before I used a synthetic nute that made them taste like paper-clips, a real metal taste in your mouth. Then switched to Fox Farm, then to Jungle Juice, then to GH I used to add molasses, the sugar compounds help the microbes feed,,,I'm not sure if in synthetic it's truly beneficial. Sometimes we add so much shit to the pot, that it binds up nutrients that plants need,,,then end up with a deficiency.

I just pulled these girls last week ... Double Black

 

[Phases]

I'd love to go organic, it's just too large of a change over for my grow. Many advantages to organic, from taste/health/PH range standpoints...just too hard for me to pull off.

I have to agree with you here, I almost switched over to organic water only style but the guy at hydro shop ended up kinda talking me out of it - I did end up doing a couple in a soilmix with organic amendments - it's called power bloom I think - got all the goods in it bone,blood,kelp, rock dust etc. I haven't paid much attention to them they are stuck in the back but I had a look when watering and I've only feed her twice only than that just water and the buds are looking just as nice and fat as all the others around her and she's not even directly under the light, kind of off to the side.

I just go with what I know and promix has been good, but ever since I've started coco, Iam liking it better and better. I have a hard time switching everything all at once, what if I fuck it up and lose a while crop, so I slowly switch things up till I got it down.

Anyways loving the thread.

 

[chomsky]

This is what im pulling out of my promix Barny's Farm Liberty Haze

 

[sourpuss]

Ok, due to so much conflicting info, I called GH for info straight from the horses mouth

Floralicious: It's ONLY purpose is to add a earthy/soil style grow to the taste. It does NOTHING to increase yields or increase bud production, it's for taste/flavor only. It is an "organic" supplement, but has NO living biology in it...so a "dead" organic product, containing nutrients etc..

Koolbloom: This is a synthetic supplement that boosts growth and bud production weight, will significantly increase yields, and swelling of buds in late bloom.

I'll be adding Koolbloom to my GH 3 part system + CalMag additive. As a side note:The Lucas system of 2 parts GH, is totally unaffiliated with the GH company,,,they recommend continuing the 3 part system, as the directions instruct. I have used the Lucas sytem for 2 years, with no ill effects...so still thinking about that issue.

I see they have the 4 gal. pack on Amazon...Grow, Micro, Bloom, Koolbloom for $132 US shipped....good price.

This makes me smile. Cause the hydro store guy swayed me in the same direction. Try koolbloom vs floralicious... i asked him which ones gonna be more worth it. I rate floralicious as a must have and kool bloom is a use it if i got it.

Floralicious is kelp and humic acids and prob some other stuff. Enough floralicous cock sucking haha.

 

[chronosync]

About KoolBloom, is it really just phophorous and potassium? All it says on the bottle is: derived from phosphates and sulfates.

 

[Bwanabud]

About KoolBloom, is it really just phophorous and potassium? All it says on the bottle is: derived from phosphates and sulfates.

Yes the main elements are P & K, very essential to the buds development and size. Keeping the leaf structure sound and green, allows for maximum yield...if she needs P & K she will try to "steal" it from her leaves/roots, and end up deficient. Boosting other base nutes to provide may supplement other elements and salt build up that she doesn't want...forcing a flush.

The Liquid Kool should be used from 2-3rd week, thru the 6th week...then switch to Dry Kool for the final weeks, but it's double the strength so be careful. I'm running Liq. Kool now, along with my bases,,,this group is 5 1/2 weeks and look unreal. Next group(2 weeks into bloom now)will get the full regiment of Liq. Kool, the dry Kool...as the mfg. suggests, and we'll see if they are full of shiit

 

[chronosync]

Good to know, thats pretty much along the lines of what i had guessed. Never know, it seems as if companies want their products as mysterious and magical seeming as possible.

How are you factoring the kb liq. pk boost? Are you backing off the base nutes to maintain a certin ec? Or is the koolbloom given as additional, raising total ec?