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[kannubis]

I will chime in here. Higher amperage would do better, but there is only so much of the charge that can get used due to distilled water's purity. There needs to be something for the electricity to travel across between the anode & cathode. Once the ppm's of silver go up, the current will flow easier.
Great work on the generator. It is a successful prototype.
The worst case scenario - you will just have to run it longer to get to 50-60 ppm.

 

[twrex]

I will chime in here. Higher amperage would do better, but there is only so much of the charge that can get used due to distilled water's purity. There needs to be something for the electricity to travel across between the anode & cathode. Once the ppm's of silver go up, the current will flow easier.
Great work on the generator. It is a successful prototype.
The worst case scenario - you will just have to run it longer to get to 50-60 ppm.

So then a higher voltage followed by a higher amperage would be best? Some sort of system which runs at like 36v for three hours and then jumps over to 12v and a much higher amperage once there is more conductivity?

 

[JackTheGrower]

So then a higher voltage followed by a higher amperage would be best? Some sort of system which runs at like 36v for three hours and then jumps over to 12v and a much higher amperage once there is more conductivity?

Again back to the pressure.. Imagine Voltage is the volume but the Current is the Rap song with bass..
Alone an amp turned up is pressure waiting for a signal to amplify. That is how I understand it.

I'm sure it can be done at different pressures but it can be done at the 9V pressure. I am hoping the treatment of these silver bars has been removed and I have the simplest silver and so it will be the ideal in terms of flow/time

One more hour to swish and sample..

 

[JackTheGrower]

I will chime in here. Higher amperage would do better, but there is only so much of the charge that can get used due to distilled water's purity. There needs to be something for the electricity to travel across between the anode & cathode. Once the ppm's of silver go up, the current will flow easier.
Great work on the generator. It is a successful prototype.
The worst case scenario - you will just have to run it longer to get to 50-60 ppm.

Perhaps but KISS is always the best.

If clean silver can achieve at low flow then we are better off with the lower energy IMO.


I don't disagree that there are other ways to do this. I am following what I have read. I welcome new data!

I stirred the solution at 5 hours so conductivity is hopefully better at 12 hours. We shall see,, It was a uniform 12 PPM at that time..

I expect to see higher PPM in the stream from electrode to electrode as i have seen already even with uniform 12 PPM @ 5 hrs than in surrounding water. BUT we are going 24 so i will stir again..

I will report the differences first

 

[JackTheGrower]

Oh Shit!

Oh Shit!

Guess what Friends? Dumb-Ass me forgot to plug the transformer back in after the 5 hr check!

OooooooH Snap!

Lets see.. Started at 7:30 am checked at 12:30 local.. 5 hrs so another 7 and it;'s 12 .. 1 am? Not good.. Maybe 7 am in the morning so <Bummer> 12 to go for a report!

Ahhhh Jack fucked up!

I did see that it actually settled at 11 PPM so 5 hrs and 11 PPM.. maybe letting it sit a few hours after we are done is the best way to measure.

Damn.. i am disappointed...

Oh Well...

 

[twrex]

Again back to the pressure.. Imagine Voltage is the volume but the Current is the Rap song with bass..
Alone an amp turned up is pressure waiting for a signal to amplify. That is how I understand it.

I'm sure it can be done at different pressures but it can be done at the 9V pressure. I am hoping the treatment of these silver bars has been removed and I have the simplest silver and so it will be the ideal in terms of flow/time

One more hour to swish and sample..

Right, here's what I'm seeing though. Lets look at it as if the water is a resistor since it has low conductivity. Now, I=VG so, since the conductivity is low, so we need more voltage to increase the amount of current we can push through at the start. Of course your power supply only has so much current capacity so once the conductivity rises to where I<=[psu capacity] then it makes sense to increase your current capacity.

 

[JackTheGrower]

Right, here's what I'm seeing though. Lets look at it as if the water is a resistor since it has low conductivity. Now, I=VG so, since the conductivity is low, so we need more voltage to increase the amount of current we can push through at the start. Of course your power supply only has so much current capacity so once the conductivity rises to where I<=[psu capacity] then it makes sense to increase your current capacity.

I'm seeing a channel of conductivity in the mode of the path of least resistance between electrodes where PPM is high. Other areas in the water were much lower.
One suggestion to create uniform solution, I read, was air bubbles, that would solve the uniformity of solution problem. It would also increase PPM across the board but no mater what, that "path" is happening in solution and air bubbles would mix but also splash solution on the non-silver clips.. Nope!

if one of those magnetic stir devices is coated with a non-metallic coating and spins then perhaps we can achieve uniformity faster?

But yes High amperage would supply more electrons but still I think mixing seems to be the answer in how to get a uniform volume of PPM of solution for any given pressure and volume of electrons.


So I agree with your concepts and offer my observations.

Together we will figure this out!

 

[twrex]

As far as I know the coverings of magnetic stirrers are fairly inert since they're meant for use in chemistry with all manner of chemicals. I agree that redistributing the particles will destroy the channels it will create within the liquid and should help increase the rate of dissolution, I have to wonder if there isn't some other simple way to cause the solution to constantly mix (or at least effectively achieve a constant mix) without an expensive magnetic stirrer or an airstone, but at this point I'm a little braindead and nothing is coming to mind. I'll marinate on it overnight and see if any ideas pop up.

 

[JackTheGrower]

I picked up the jar and swished the solution around. I read 22 PPM @ 8am. 5 hrs to go for 24?

I am thinking higher current too now.. If we see a 30 PPM @ 24 hrs again I will look for a higher ma rated 9V.

I assume the goal of 40 ~ 50 PPM in 24 is our goal.. Does anyone have information on this goal?

 

[guest2012y]

what was the rating? I just did a 500 ma and maybe I needed to burn off the external to get to pure but I read 30 PPM after 24.. Is your adapter rated more than 500 ma?

You're taking this to a level that is far above what I did Jack. I just plugged it in and let it go for about 5 days,then took the solution and began to stress the hell out of the girl by spraying once or twice a day for a week or so. After about 4 weeks I got one single male pollen sac and collected that.

 

[JackTheGrower]

Oh? 5 days? Then 48 hrs isn't a bad goal. Thanks Capt.Cheeze1.. I am thinking i need to get this down to a short time but since CS doesn't go bad going 5 days is reasonable. K+

Well then no worries friends we will see how long it takes a 500 ma to get to 50 PPM in a uniform way.

 

[twrex]

Okay, so after giving it a think I've come up with a fairly simple solution.



attach the container to a rotating tilted base with the electrodes attached to some solid non-moving base and suspended within the now spinning and swirling solution. This would be simple to construct, inexpensive, and it eliminates the 'dead-zone' around the central axis you'd get without having it on an incline.

Another option I just thought of mid-post would be to do a level rotating table with the container situated slightly off-axis. This would create turbulence in the water as it hit the sides of the container and would also eliminate that dead-zone.

 

[JackTheGrower]

Okay, so after giving it a think I've come up with a fairly simple solution.



attach the container to a rotating tilted base with the electrodes attached to some solid non-moving base and suspended within the now spinning and swirling solution. This would be simple to construct, inexpensive, and it eliminates the 'dead-zone' around the central axis you'd get without having it on an incline.

Another option I just thought of mid-post would be to do a level rotating table with the container situated slightly off-axis. This would create turbulence in the water as it hit the sides of the container and would also eliminate that dead-zone.

That is a possibility. Have you ever seen the "single can of beer" chillers folks make? Think Refrigerator crossed with Androids. Temperatures within a hundredth of a degree.
I was also considering sonic vibration of some type but I am fresh out of HF emitters.

I am actually thinking it's not as bad as it seems here .. A swish now and again until it has conductive silver in the water and call it good once the PPM is up some.
I was serious about the magnetic spinner for a while but Capt.Cheeze1 is right let it go for a while.

Nice drawing.. did you make it?


I just swished and the solution is much darker and the PPM is 24 now.
On a serious note I don't think I like that transformer. It doesn't feel right. I question if it is 9V. My only meter is one meant for checking 3 phase motors not small D.C. voltages. Maybe I'll get a small digital.

So does a watched CS Generator ever PPM?

:yay:

 

[twrex]

Yeah, I made the image. I'm not sure what to tell you about checking your transformer, but you can go to most any thrift shop and find plenty of orphaned transformers for cheap. Who knows, you may even find one which is a lot better for just a buck or two!

Also, sure swishing it around will get the job done, but that isn't nearly as satisfying as building a rig to automate the task. I mean, what else do you have to do?

 

[JackTheGrower]

I brought home a pocket Multimeter. I thought something was wrong with the transformer..

The transformer is actually a 12V unit and it is not putting out 500 ma.. The label says 9V and 500 ma..

I am using the meter to know more! I mean the old electrodes to the tongue will give me an idea but i gave that up after the first dare to lick a 9V battery.


It's up to 26 PPM about 40 minutes ago..

Also I can see I want to make the electrode hanger something more sophisticated as the clips have put some rust on the silver.. So leaving the top open will be helpful as humidity is condensing and the clips are oxidizing at the grip point.

 

[JackTheGrower]

Udate 7-9-2010

Udate 7-9-2010

I have discontinued the service of my original choice of transformers. I am now using an adjustable voltage electronic transformer.

It reads just over 9V DC and is rated 600 ma..




Also I picked up a nifty pocket meter! I can test the frequency of my service.

After sitting the PPM reads 25 PPM so at 7:30 pm California time I start this new power source.

 

[JackTheGrower]

To Balance things out here is a picture of the two girls in the box today.

A side note is that I had the Widow Warrior in the box and the girls went hormonal! The scent is unmistakable. These horny girls are saying it's time to get Randy!
The Widow Warrior is expecting something different for it's environment so they got moved to special care unit.
Shallow root plants expecting high nutrients and bright lights. hydro Bred?

So I will seed these two girls when the time comes.. maybe sooner than I expect? The light rick is all the way up and clipped by the last link in the safety chain. there is no more up for the lights..

On the soil blocks they are about ready. One was mishandled by me so i broke it up, added water and remade the block.. So we are waiting for that to dry some more.

Start: Today:

I have some white flies for the first time ever and I see the ones left are not getting stuck to the sticky traps and are a different breed in behaviour than the ones i did trap. I have a special thing in mind for these smart flies..

Time to step up the organic and do them in!

 

[cracker_420]

hey jack, lookin great bro!
i picked up some "SM-90", cleared my gnat problem right up!

 

[twrex]

Now that's a fancy little transformer, I can dig it.

An idea for limiting the oxidation on your contacts is to use some sort of grease on it similar to what they use on electrodes in car and boat batteries to prevent corrosion. Or you could always use a little bit of duct tape just to seal off the top bits from the splashback.

 

[JackTheGrower]

Now that's a fancy little transformer, I can dig it.

An idea for limiting the oxidation on your contacts is to use some sort of grease on it similar to what they use on electrodes in car and boat batteries to prevent corrosion. Or you could always use a little bit of duct tape just to seal off the top bits from the splash-back.

I worry about contamination with added materials.

I like this transformer too since it has a green LED status light.
But, like a nervous bride I am NOT happy with 9V as it rose only 2 PPM over night. So, I switched that nifty thing to the 12V setting..

I don't know on the clips.. The oxidation was from the jar's lid being closed and condensation and not from being in the water. Having other metals in the water is a quick way to contaminate the CS IMO. The electricity did the rest in creating rust marks on the silver bars.

I suppose the drilled hole and silver wire is the best option for a safe situation of dangling the silver bars without fear of contamination in a closed jar situation.
I have added a rubber band to keep the electrodes dangling at a safe distance above the waterline because they did tend to slip down some!
Do you think it's harmful to vent water vapor from this process for humans?

If I don't get the happy-happy I have a 12V 1amp battery charger here.. <Evil Grin>