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Project EDEN - the COCO-COOP

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bonecarver_OG

well - ive been thinking a lot on why my last 4 flowering plants was not as good as usually. well one positive thing is the brain has been working efficiently.. i mean the buds they look the same but the flavour and potency is not the same, for a comercial grow it wouold most likelly not matter, but im my own only customer and im a very select smoker.... so i thought about my

grow room routine... and how it affects the results

never did i think having a perpetual grow was going to be so hard work, and all just for my own smoking pleasure..

trying to keep my self buzy smoking and growing my smoke, keep after the moms and inbetween there work to earn money to eat etc, doesnt always alove me to have all the time necesary to spend in the grow area, even though i work just a few steps away. many times after a long days work its so easy to just try to do the grow part as quick as possible to be able to then relax, have dinner and surf etc... also sometimes my herb is way too potent and i just get confused or forget the plan mixing nutes...

im human and even how much i ever try to keep my nute schedule perfect, there is every now and then distractions....

anyway main reason for faults in the flowering and veg department is haste. next is measuring devices that are not regularly calibrated, and even though its an easy thing to fix its not allways there is time to do the calibrations, but from now on i have to take it to a new level. i gotto start calibrating once a month ALLWAYS. this will stop ph related issues, wich is the worst thing i think. ec meters dont wander of too much but its a good idea to keep it checked at least.

mixing several different containers of nute mixes leads many times to stress because of time, and also the somplexity of the whole deal grows when there is sveral different stages of growth and bloom. i usuall have plants in all stages of growth and bloom. the solution to this is to simplify. i try to give all plants in veg in-dependent of size same nute dose, and this far they handle it well as long as ec doesnt go over 1.2 too much. plants in flowering is the complicated part, since here the different stages have very different nute needs. the most nute and N dependant part is the stretch, but only during the stretch part. after this high N levels are just counter productive in most strains i tried. sativa dominant plants doesnt really use as much nutes as they seem to at first glance, even though they grow quicker in stretch, and the stretch is longer, i try to not give them stretch nutes for too long, rather i give it for the first weeks, and then i lower the nute dose before i once again give stretch dose, all depending for how long it takes untill growth stagnates. in coco its not necesary to keep feeding same dose blindly since the coco will cushion the highs and lows of the nute schedule. this means yes coco does easilly accumulate nutes and salts, atleast handwatering in big pots (12 liters). in the end all this means i usually do 3 different mixes for the flowering room, one for plants in the stretch stage, one for plants stopped stretch and one for plants in full-on bloom. the plants in full on bloom recieves the PK 13-14 for a while and then they get again the flowering mix for plants that have gone thru stretch. also i should say i do a flushing mix with lower nutes for the plants finishing flowering, but thats normally for only the last weeks or so, and usually i take the avantage to flush with similar nute dose the other plants in flowering also.

this is the MAX ec's... means i do try to keep it a notch belove, and sometimes give 3/4 doses of my schedule

to start off my water i use to mix with has an ec of 0.7 in veg and down to 0,4-0,5 in flowering. this way the plants have access to more calcium from the tapwater during veg, but during flowering the excess of calcium is not good, so i mix in more and more distilled/low mineral well water. the EC of the 1000 year old hand-DUG well at the countryhouse is 0.2 - that is saving me money on distilled water... no doubt :D

veg - EC 1.2
almost all plants in veg have same need of nutes, independent of size. bigger plants normally just want nutes more often. also its not a good idea in my conditions of Fluorecent tubes to have plants grow too tall too quick. at times i do give lower doses not to keep loading up salts too much. i dont flush in veg.

flowering - stretch EC 1.2
bud build starts EC 1.4 (big doses of PK given at this time) a few times
normal flo mix EC 1.2 (smaller maintenance doses of PK given, 1/3 to 1/5 sometimes)
end of flo mix EC 1.0

in flowering lowering the ec of the base-water aloves to use a bit higher nute dose for example when giving PK 13-14, but at the SAME time to cut EC with a lot. this is beneficial....


i find every time i get lost from this schedule/plan - my results are allways less good. still good but not awesome. bigger levels of N during floWering promotes bigger plants, longer kolas and also in my opinion less flavour and potency. i want to keep my plants as small as possible to keep the kolas short and as close to the lights as possible. i think this is the key to growing good smoke. nlower nutes and strong light. no amount of nutes can ballance up the lack of light intensity.
 

pebble

Well-known member
Veteran
Awesome Bone what yu have there!!! :yoinks:
im impatience to smoke report of the (X18 x DC) x PTK... now is dryin 2 weeks, tomorrow will put ina wood box and in July :joint: :headbange smoke report :woohoo:
Thank yu Bone too! anythin, just pm ;)
Best wishes fi yur projects!
Peace and love itinually
 

passion

Member
Hi Bone!
When talking Ec'levels; "like normal flo mix EC 1.2" - is that ec 1.2 of just nutrients or is it with your start ec (0.4-0.5?) + nutrients?

Bad english hope you understand what i mean :p

Keep it up!
 
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bonecarver_OG

pebble - jah bless amigo :D

passion - yes the EC is including the ec of the water.

those are maximum EC levels :D i try to keep a bit under that mst of the time
 

passion

Member
Really impressive, man.
Im pertty much higher than that :) But im not a experienced grower, therfor all questions :p
You using cannanutes?
 
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bonecarver_OG

hm... the diva-G x LP nugs smell like a sweaty leather mixed with motor oil / hot rubber

really peculiar aroma in bud.
 
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bonecarver_OG

passion - yeah - canna nutes all the way. also i only water about every 2-3 days :D so i think in a system different to mine, for example growing in slabs with drip etc, can alove for MUCH higher EC levels without trouble. but that is not my style of growing. :D

handwatering bigger amounts of plants makes it necesary to simply in some things, so using lower EC levels to start with makes no flushings necesary - something VERY good when you are watering by hand.

i quite like analyzing things in the growroom, to try to improve the factors i CAN work on. also working for a long time in the past withn comercial BUD and import in general, has given a lot to compare with, when thinking about the grow.

using higher nute levels and flushing regularly might do the trick too, but in my setup at the moment it would be very dificult. in the future when i have improved my water quality - meaning when i have a rainwater-collection system, i will have access to bigger amounts of low EC water to work with. then i will explore different drip to waste systems etc - since itd be nice to have part of the flowering automated for a while... but for that i would also need to sort out a proper drainage sytem wich would directly let the excess water drain to the outside, and plumbing is not my strong side - luckilly i have friends to ask for advice when time comes...

so generally speaking - this is the method i use now for simplicity and results. and i gotto say im very happy in general.

:D peace
 
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bonecarver_OG

in a while, when the mayority of the plants i got flowering now, have finished, i will make a jelly hash session :D well to start with i thought id dry sieve it all on a new finer screen we got, and then afterwards i thought of making BHO With the remains.. this is my prefeered method to use trim - since even though i dig ice-hash, the fact there is resin left afterwards in the wet material makes me reluctant to the whole project. its time consuming to dry the trim and then BHO it after.

anyway - the trim has a lot of resin, and however i make the hash it will get nice :D

the funny part is im just stashing the hash i made this far (30 grams or so) in the freezer, waiting for a moment of low JAR content in the bud storage. maybe also for the vacations :D this august's mountain camping trip is gonna be extra nice...

also finally i decided to make only one cross :D more or less :D depends how big the two selected females wil get when its dusting time - it means if there is left over pollen i will polinate something else also. its gonna be fun to make the jaggen x ptk... since i was looking around a bit on the web and no one seems to have made it yet. having the luck to have the select cut of jackflash, and the awesomelly resinous males pollen, is going to give very nice working material to start with hopefully.

this project is going to be easier to full fill and might be slightly more motivational, since there shouldnt be such a big variation in the outcome. instead of working with a pletora of phenos i hope to find quickly a perfect combo females and males of the jaggen x ptk. its easier to set the goal on this one :D the flavour will most likelly be on the PTK side. anything i have polinated this far with PTK in general has gotten interesting flavours. this time the light hazy flavours of JAGGEN will most likelly not dominate the outcome. like for example the cheese/tw x ptk from a while back. i had pineaple and pear/melon like phenos of that.

the yield although SATIVA dominant is big on the JAGGEN, and the PTK is a pure indica with normal chunky hard smaller but very resinous nugs. this combo we want should have good yield, vigour, nice flavour and good potency :D hehe like that its definetly going to be easier to select, since we are not bound to aim for a specific flavour :D

so cool.

peace :D
 
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bonecarver_OG

its been a while since i posted some pics from the flowering room.. its a jungle in there but i got it all under control... soon i got 2 ssh x ptk's and one snowdawg to harvest. one of the ssh x ptk is seriously nice yielding. i bent the hell out of her and spread her branches out all over the place , and tied it all down a few times during flowering..


heres the big ssh x ptk, all those nugs are the same plant.



flowering room views;





here its possible to see my "modified" hehe reflectors :D they create the leasts possible hot spots, and spread the light evenly all round them :D hehe honestly the bending and cutting was done with a plan :D even though it looks like macgyver made it out of garbage.


underneath each light there is one big plant, and her tips are about 20-30 cm lower than the surrounding ones to alove maximum light to the sides. all plants are pistol whipped more or less.. some less :D some more :D hehe




SSH x PTK - soon done







snowdawg - a week or so more




i think this is a snowdawg too but im not 100% sure... looks like it...



peace all :D
 
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bonecarver_OG

i started slowly to put up diamond film all over the flowering room.. got the roll ready, and when i get a bit more space in the growroom, i will cover the 2 side walls that i got left and the after comes the roof.. this will be very anoying to do with plants in there so.. gotto wait..

also i bought today a small, very small, fan, with a handy clip thing to grab on to anything. the fan went directly to one of the lights, the one further away from the big vent. its now cool enough to get the plants a little bit closer even... i really liked these mini ventilators.. id like to get a dosen and just put them all over the veg area. they are so small and move a lot of air for their size.. and without noise :D we will see later if i need em or not hehe.. but looks funny :D ill post a pic an other day.

i put also in 190m3 of more air entering into the grow. one of the following days i will put in more extraction in the flowering part (2 x 190m3), and finally after that i will adjust the airflow in the veg area. hopefully in there an other 190m3 to 400 m3 will do the trick...

allready got down the temp with one degree in the flowering room :D so more extraction there will definetly drop it a bit more even.. the problem lays in the fact the air from the flowering area goes into the veg area - and after that it goes outside.. but untill i get the last extractor.. things will be hot in the veg... ill sort that out max in 1 weeks time :D

peace...
 

Yes4Prop215

Active member
Veteran
FILL UP THOSE JARS BABY!!

i have the same problem, the air from my flowering room has to fllow through my veg room before being "extracted" outside of the grow. so my veg temps were sometimes in the 80s. what i do is just foliar spray them everyday with a PH balanced RO solution with maybe a tiny bit of micro in there, hopefully the spray keeps the temps down for a little bit and cools the plant down, who knows!
 
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bonecarver_OG

i took pics of the diva-G x LP today...

this is a dry nug, i leave those leaves on untill im gonna smoke it - if not buds like this turn into dust in the jar. its all crispy resinous and pretty damn crunchy....

one of the more special sativa dominant hybrids i have had - i will plant the rest of the seeds this winter... i really hope for a fatter keeper :D


one for the lovers of dank sativas.





















 
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bonecarver_OG

diva-g x lp

info from cloneman:
diva G - G13 x california sativa - tuk tuk seeds 2004

Diva G
G13 Clone x Californian Sativa
60/40 Indica/Sativa
57 -67 Days Flowering time.
Average Yield.


Diva G (TukTuk seeds) G13 x Cali Sativa were testers from OG December 2004, TukTuk said the Cali Sat was like Sour D, the G13 i dont know. The keeper (DG#6) is a real balance of both, head rush followed by stonio, a few friends of my son have had whitey moments. It STINKS, makes the cheese smell like perfume, i suppose it's what you call dank. Thanks TukTuk you did a brilliant job with the cross, but where are you now....?



LovePotion (Reeferman) (G13 x Santa Marta Colombian Gold) x Santa Marta Colombian Gold. Got the male off Zed, not much G13 in it.
 
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bonecarver_OG

yesterday night i cut clones of all moms and filled up the cloner.. today a mate calls and wants 30 clones.. so i need to build one more... that way ill get it done way in time for next years rush....

helped my growmate to pick up some hash (moroccan isolator) today - tomorow ill post a pic i think...

i cut the plants i got finishing off, since the jars wont alove them to stay alive more time hhehe - anyway they were done :D just a few lower nugs that didnt get 100% but thats ok. i can handle it hehe

the seeds i planted the other day - it seems there has germinated seeds of each strain/cross etc planted, some 100% germ rate some a little bit lower. some seeds i thought were too old germed with no problems...

around this weekend or so i will start transplanting them to 1 liter pots, where they will spend quite some time.. untill they get flowered.. :D as usuall the part that SUCKS with seeds is the long time it takes for them to get going properly - to get a deacent plant atleast 7-9 weeks veg is a must. preferably longer.. but since i need to keep the sizes down i will put to flower plants directly they got about 6-8 nodes or so. also i gotto treat these future seedlings a little bit different to my normal plants i prepare for flowering - so that if they are good phenos i can reveg them. doing the pistolwhipped method - cutting away all under growth besides the very tips - doesnt leave much reveg material... so the solution is to leave 2 lower branches besides the normal method.. this way when i harvest them the lowest nugs are 100% done and are very likelly to reveg quick,...

with the summer heat im forced to water enormous amounts to flush out the pots.. 25 plants and about 80 liters of water for them. and thats just the flowering part.

peace all
 

onegreenday

Active member
Veteran
QUOTE: helped my growmate to pick up some hash (moroccan isolator) today

Is that the picture above? Never thought they'd do isolator in Morocco.
I thought they were strictly screened hash.
Don't tell me they been corrupted by Mila (pollinator lady)
 
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