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Useful Idiot

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it's the day after tomorrow...but starting today lol. it might have been a far fetched film, but i have a feeling this storm will only be the beginning of the erratic weather associated with global warming, and it'll only be getting worse.

this should be an interesting one to watch. considering what has hit the northeast in the past, i think they'll be able to handle things. i don't think the snow is gonna be a problem, it's gonna be the flying debris. blizzards and snow are nothing new in any state above sc...it's the 90 mph winds they don't see usually....like the lawn chair that comes flying through the window.

hopefully the power issues are minimal to our folks, but a couple days of dark for flowering girls won't hurt em a bit. the veg side are the ones i'd be worried about. lanterns and scented candles are great ideas. stay safe peeps...
Global warming???? Really??? I just have to disagree.BTW, Al Gore is a TURD!! Also did you know that temps are on the rise on other planets as well?? I find that strange because because THERE ARE NO FACTORIES THERE, OR CARS!!! WTF!!!! Here is some info you should read.:biggrin:

MYTH 1: Global temperatures are rising at a rapid, unprecedented rate.
FACT: Accurate satellite, balloon and mountain top observations made over the last three decades have not shown any significant change in the long term rate of increase in global temperatures. Average ground station readings do show a mild warming of 0.6 to 0.8Cover the last 100 years, which is well within the natural variations recorded in the last millennium. The ground station network suffers from an uneven distribution across the globe; the stations are preferentially located in growing urban and industrial areas ("heat islands"), which show substantially higher readings than adjacent rural areas ("land use effects").
There has been no catastrophic warming recorded.

MYTH 2: The "hockey stick" graph proves that the earth has experienced a steady, very gradual temperature increase for 1000 years, then recently began a sudden increase.
FACT: Significant changes in climate have continually occurred throughout geologic time. For instance, the Medieval Warm Period, from around 1000 to1200 AD (when the Vikings farmed on Greenland) was followed by a period known as the Little Ice Age. Since the end of the 17th Century the "average global temperature" has been rising at the low steady rate mentioned above; although from 1940 – 1970 temperatures actually dropped, leading to a Global Cooling scare.
The "hockey stick", a poster boy of both the UN's IPCC and Canada's Environment Department, ignores historical recorded climatic swings, and has now also been proven to be flawed and statistically unreliable as well. It is a computer construct and a faulty one at that.

MYTH 3: Human produced carbon dioxide has increased over the last 100 years, adding to the Greenhouse effect, thus warming the earth.
FACT: Carbon dioxide levels have indeed changed for various reasons, human and otherwise, just as they have throughout geologic time. Since the beginning of the industrial revolution, the CO2 content of the atmosphere has increased. The RATE of growth during this period has also increased from about 0.2% per year to the present rate of about 0.4% per year,which growth rate has now been constant for the past 25 years. However, there is no proof that CO2 is the main driver of global warming. As measured in ice cores dated over many thousands of years, CO2 levels move up and down AFTER the temperature has done so, and thus are the RESULT OF, NOT THE CAUSE of warming. Geological field work in recent sediments confirms this causal relationship. There is solid evidence that, as temperatures move up and down naturally and cyclically through solar radiation, orbital and galactic influences, the warming surface layers of the earth's oceans expel more CO2 as a result.

MYTH 4: CO2 is the most common greenhouse gas.
FACT: Greenhouse gases form about 3 % of the atmosphere by volume. They consist of varying amounts, (about 97%) of water vapour and clouds, with the remainder being gases like CO2, CH4, Ozone and N2O, of which carbon dioxide is the largest amount. Hence, CO2 constitutes about 0.037% of the atmosphere. While the minor gases are more effective as "greenhouse agents" than water vapour and clouds, the latter are overwhelming the effect by their sheer volume and – in the end – are thought to be responsible for 60% of the "Greenhouse effect".
Those attributing climate change to CO2 rarely mention this important fact.

MYTH 5: Computer models verify that CO2 increases will cause significant global warming.
FACT: Computer models can be made to "verify" anything by changing some of the 5 million input parameters or any of a multitude of negative and positive feedbacks in the program used.. They do not "prove" anything.Also, computer models predicting global warming are incapable of properly including the effects of the sun, cosmic rays and the clouds. The sun is a major cause of temperature variation on the earth surface as its received radiation changes all the time, This happens largely in cyclical fashion. The number and the lengths in time of sunspots can be correlated very closely with average temperatures on earth, e.g. the Little Ice Age and the Medieval Warm Period. Varying intensity of solar heat radiation affects the surface temperature of the oceans and the currents. Warmer ocean water expels gases, some of which are CO2. Solar radiation interferes with the cosmic ray flux, thus influencing the amount ionized nuclei which control cloud cover.

MYTH 6: The UN proved that man–made CO2 causes global warming.
FACT: In a 1996 report by the UN on global warming, two statements were deleted from the final draft. Here they are:
1) “None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed climate changes to increases in greenhouse gases.”
2) “No study to date has positively attributed all or part of the climate change to man–made causes”

To the present day there is still no scientific proof that man-made CO2 causes significant global warming.


MYTH 7: CO2 is a pollutant.

FACT: This is absolutely not true. Nitrogen forms 80% of our atmosphere. We could not live in 100% nitrogen either. Carbon dioxide is no more a pollutant than nitrogen is. CO2 is essential to life on earth. It is necessary for plant growth since increased CO2 intake as a result of increased atmospheric concentration causes many trees and other plants to grow more vigorously. Unfortunately, the Canadian Government has included CO2 with a number of truly toxic and noxious substances listed by the Environmental Protection Act, only as their means to politically control it.


MYTH 8: Global warming will cause more storms and other weather extremes.

FACT: There is no scientific or statistical evidence whatsoever that supports such claims on a global scale. Regional variations may occur. Growing insurance and infrastructure repair costs, particularly in coastal areas, are sometimes claimed to be the result of increasing frequency and severity of storms, whereas in reality they are a function of increasing population density, escalating development value, and ever more media reporting.


MYTH 9: Receding glaciers and the calving of ice shelves are proof of global warming.

FACT: Glaciers have been receding and growing cyclically for hundreds of years. Recent glacier melting is a consequence of coming out of the very cool period of the Little Ice Age. Ice shelves have been breaking off for centuries. Scientists know of at least 33 periods of glaciers growing and then retreating. It’s normal. Besides, glacier's health is dependent as much on precipitation as on temperature.
MYTH 10: The earth’s poles are warming; polar ice caps are breaking up and melting and the sea level rising.
FACT: The earth is variable. The western Arctic may be getting somewhat warmer, due to unrelated cyclic events in the Pacific Ocean, but the Eastern Arctic and Greenland are getting colder. The small Palmer Peninsula of Antarctica is getting warmer, while the main Antarctic continent is actually cooling. Ice thicknesses are increasing both on Greenland and in Antarctica.
Sea level monitoring in the Pacific (Tuvalu) and Indian Oceans (Maldives) has shown no sign of any sea level rise.
 

iampolluted

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i'm not here to debate your interpretation of what is factual, but my belief is my belief and yours is yours. your opinion of my opinion is irrelevant. maybe al gore thinks YOUR a turd for thinking the world is still flat.

just so ya know, the air temps measured don't really mean shit when 75% of the world is covered by water. it's their temps that are fucking with us.

i could debunk all your "claimed facts" with my own undocumented opinions as well, and be able to back up my facts with REAL science. site your sources. i can attribute most of your "myth corrections" to lobbyists $.

we've been recording the temperature for 1000 years? really? how is that possible when the 1st thermometer wasn't discovered until 1724?

i do agree it's not co2. it's methane, and all the other fucked up chemicals we put into the air.

you can choose not to believe that we are not fleas on a big dog. this flea wants to go unnoticed so i don't get scratched off. actually, it's more like we're leaching off this planet, and sooner or later, the host gets rid of it.
 
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SeaMaiden

UI, I have an acquaintance who is a paleoclimatologist. He is building a data set, after devising a method of aging coral heads using strontium isotopes IIRC, that he believes will help us determine whether or not the overall climate change that we *are* experiencing is anthropogenic or not. His stance at this time is that it is indeed anthropogenically based.

Just your Myth 9 is misleading because it's stating that glaciers have been receding and growing cyclically for hundreds of years. We can point to at least a few tens of thousands of years of glacial activity.

Perhaps it's only a debate of semantics and terminology, using the term 'climate change' instead of 'global warming,' which is the terminology I prefer to use since I believe that what we're going to experience are more extremes of weather, not just an overall warming. Now that is just an opinion, but it's being borne out by fact. End of October seems to be awfully late in the year for such a storm, but maybe that's just my perspective.
 

terracethehigh

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Hey from CT, no power for 35 hours, no serious damage, could it be the ritual bowl smoked as an offering to Sandy before she hit? Help your neighbors!
 

cocktail frank

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Jersey is trashed, shore is wiped out!
hardest part is finding gas, lines are miles long to stations and slowly running out of gas.
start trucking it in and selling for double if you can get it!!
 
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SeaMaiden

Uh oh... I can see it getting ugly. Hope it doesn't, help thy neighbor is right.
 

castout

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I cannot believe that some places have just started getting aid. I feel so bad for everyone, and my most positive thoughts and prayers are with all of those affected. Stay strong, and protect your families!!!
 

smoooth

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My thoughts are with those effected. Hope all gets better soon. Just another reminder to have your emergency bag packed and ready to go at all times.
 

Weird

3rd-Eye Jedi
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Glad you got electricity on. How long were you out? We were out six days.........shit was tiresome

about the same

electricity went out for a lil bit during this storm ad well but thankfully back on track
 

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