I hear you. Wait so you do you spray e20 or not?
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I hear you. Wait so you do you spray e20 or not?
Photosynthesis
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Compost tea will make you never ever ever have pm. Foliar feed once to twice per week, and you are good to go. No need for the bottles, and what not.
I'll leave it
My apologies, I was simplifying your own method, but the basics are there, as you have clearly pointed out again.
So your advice is to pay another company for knowledge I can look up and implement myself (which thank god, I already do)?
This is the same nonsense philosophy that nutrient companies ride on.
I think I'll learn a lot more (and do!), from avoiding "cures" and magic formulas from a bottle.
Maybe there's a flashy new product you can buy (without having to read or learn) to clear up that "growing on carpet" problem?
Thanks for the new rabbit hole milkyjoe, I always appreciate something interesting to read about over the coffeeCheers
tsk tsk tsk... you can lead a horse to water but ya can't make him drink!
DEM despises the load of shit nutrient companies sell you, and now I understand why youre so hesitant. They know more than you will ever, trust me on this. I'm not being harsh, but this is their life and they know what they're doing. They know the ins and outs of fungi and plant relationships that if you actually did know, you wouldn't be talking to me on here right now and you'd be backing me. I can't really help people like you, you're going nowhere fast with a closed mind so why stop a ship that's sinking? I could go into detail right now on why they're ingredients work better than anyone else's but what's the point? They're a company, so you won't buy from them. You're even ignoring the other 2/3 of this recipe so that's another point I'm making clear... close mindedness is the gardeners worse enemy. I was once like you man, and it was a complete waste of time. I didn't learn, and it wasn't until I decided to lose the ego and learn from others that I really began to get where I am here today. Mushrooms helps some people, not sure if it'll do it for you tho.
Read up on Elaine Ingham and John Kempf and you'll soon relate their findings with DEM's practices in their blends. They take research and turn it into practice.
www.dragonflyearthmedicine.com I dare you to go there and read up on what's in their blends. And come back here and say they're trying to sell you something with bullshit marketing tactics. You won't. Because you'll soon realize their blends are better than YOUR blends and may take another blow to that ego but hey, that's what I'm here for: self realizations
I agree, bottles are for babies!
Compost tea alone will not kill PM once it's began however. Once hyphae strands are feeding from the leaf the infection has become systemic and microbes alone won't suffice. This recipe is golden for those with PM infestations already, and will prevent it from ever happening in a clean and healthy garden.
I just want to thank everyone that is getting use out of this post, rather than those with egos too large for their own good. I made this post to help others and share with them the foliar that killed and prevented my PM from returning to my grow room. And I get hate because one of the ingredients you have to purchase? From a company?! Where do you get your amendments from? Where do you get your apple cider vinegar from? Where do you buy your compost tea brewing containers from? Companies?! Indeed.
Don't mix up DEM for false-advertising nutrient companies that are out for your wallet. These people are the kindest hippies and money is no object for them, they charge what it takes to pay everyone in the family and their labor for making/growing/jarring everything themselves. I love the guys that spit false knowledge (with the exception of one person in this thread - milkyjoe) and post it here for others to read. Think about what they're thinking when they read a thread where everyone's disagreeing with eachother? They're not going to believe my recipe works. So we've prevented that person from benefitting by providing false claims that will further confuse them in the future about what's right and wrong.
The main piece of advice I give novice growers everywhere is to NOT read message board posts by people unless they're reputable and know what they're doing. I believe everything I read on here and overgrow and guess what? I lost 5 years of growing due to it fucking around with bottles because everyone said "bro its the best way to grow". It wasn't until I picked up some raw material and agricultural sources that I began to realize how wrong many of those people were.
I'm a hippy who doesn't benefit a single dollar from spitting DEM's name out like this. They're that type of company though, that when you try it and it's true you immediately become a loyal user. You're not getting the type of endo's you do in Great White and Oregonism like you are in their Lush Roots... that shit is 85% filler clay with ecto's dominating the endo's rendering them literally useless in binding capabilities. Lush is 55% filler with cannabis-aimed mycos in it. Ever spend $70 on a bottle of Great White? Yeah, I'm pissed too. This is the type of shit I'm talking about, they shit on other companies because they're not out for the money they're out to make good products that they themselves use to make their products. It doesn't stop there, they literally go into detail on the site about what each ingredient does and why they include it... you can't deny the facts of a knowledgable company trying to help people out rather than fucking them over like we're so used to seeing...
Don't mix up DEM for false-advertising nutrient companies that are out for your wallet. These people are the kindest hippies and money is no object for them, they charge what it takes to pay everyone in the family and their labor for making/growing/jarring everything themselves. I love the guys that spit false knowledge (with the exception of one person in this thread - milkyjoe) and post it here for others to read. Think about what they're thinking when they read a thread where everyone's disagreeing with eachother? They're not going to believe my recipe works. So we've prevented that person from benefitting by providing false claims that will further confuse them in the future about what's right and wrong.
The main piece of advice I give novice growers everywhere is to NOT read message board posts by people unless they're reputable and know what they're doing. I believe everything I read on here and overgrow and guess what? I lost 5 years of growing due to it fucking around with bottles because everyone said "bro its the best way to grow". It wasn't until I picked up some raw material and agricultural sources that I began to realize how wrong many of those people were.
I'm a hippy who doesn't benefit a single dollar from spitting DEM's name out like this. They're that type of company though, that when you try it and it's true you immediately become a loyal user. You're not getting the type of endo's you do in Great White and Oregonism like you are in their Lush Roots... that shit is 85% filler clay with ecto's dominating the endo's rendering them literally useless in binding capabilities. Lush is 55% filler with cannabis-aimed mycos in it. Ever spend $70 on a bottle of Great White? Yeah, I'm pissed too. This is the type of shit I'm talking about, they shit on other companies because they're not out for the money they're out to make good products that they themselves use to make their products. It doesn't stop there, they literally go into detail on the site about what each ingredient does and why they include it... you can't deny the facts of a knowledgable company trying to help people out rather than fucking them over like we're so used to seeing...
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That's because both sources are pretty much clueless when it comes to what Milkyjoe was talking about and of which Kempf is a master at.
Wait...so are what you're saying is that Kempf is about research and not practice? His findings? When I started working with him about 5 years ago he was already managing the nutrient programs on about 10,000 acres of different crops. Maybe he had enough practice on that acreage to finally get it right lol. I can't see for the life of me how Kempf and Ingham should be considered in the same breath.
If you really knew what Kempf was about, and could put into practice what he knows then DEM products wouldn't be necessary.
Milkyjoe couldn't have said it better...healthy plants do not get PM.
You don't need to add proteins are carbs either one...you need to add minerals that act as enzyme co factors, then enzymes are created, they take the energy source created by photosynthesis (C6H12O6...glucose) and add shit to those chains that turn them into long carbon chains.
Read the book.
Sorry for the semi drunken rant...I could have said it better but thats the way she goes some nights
edit...at the risk of sounding like I am promoting something here is a highly oversimplified version http://www.advancingecoag.com/education/plant-health-pyramid/
You do not need to use kempf's stuff to achieve this. The ultratrace stuff can be provided by a variety of rock dusts, kelp meals, etc...my favorite is actually basalt. And photosynthesis can be upped with Mo, Co, B and epsom salt...although I do gotta say if you are gonna buy a bottle of anything photomag is pretty fucking awesome.
Read the book.
Sorry for the semi drunken rant...I could have said it better but thats the way she goes some nights
edit...at the risk of sounding like I am promoting something here is a highly oversimplified version http://www.advancingecoag.com/education/plant-health-pyramid/
You do not need to use kempf's stuff to achieve this. The ultratrace stuff can be provided by a variety of rock dusts, kelp meals, etc...my favorite is actually basalt. And photosynthesis can be upped with Mo, Co, B and epsom salt...although I do gotta say if you are gonna buy a bottle of anything photomag is pretty fucking awesome.
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Photosynthesis
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Photosynthesis
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William A Albrecht said
"Disease, and pest infestation are the symptoms, not the cause."
Layman's words, Your plants are unhealthy if you are getting pm, and bugs.
Something to ponder.
"Disease, and pest infestation are the symptoms, not the cause."
Layman's words, Your plants are unhealthy if you are getting pm, and bugs.
Something to ponder.
https://www.apsnet.org/edcenter/intropp/LabExercises/Pages/PowderyMildew.aspx
Can you show me endophytic powdery mildew on cannabis?
paperclip707
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SM-90
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I have been fighting the PM for years, it usually hits me just once a grow and I can wipe it out in one application by using SM-90 inside my atomist sprayer.
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I have been fighting the PM for years, it usually hits me just once a grow and I can wipe it out in one application by using SM-90 inside my atomist sprayer.
no, not at all. not the mums, not the next gen cuts, nothing running, not even the cuts taken in from other... the cuts i take in get an e20 dip however, just the once. it may seem like splitting hairs on the new cuts, but those get a full dip & swirl in solution... never aeosolized/sprayed. that requires proper safety... ppe, rei, sealing off, etc, etc, etc. despise the very idea of it, just unsafe.
ahh ok, I hear you. I'm honestly pretty envious because I thought my room was as clean as can be and then bam... PM infestation. First ever too. I'm wondering if my soil went anaerobic due to not enough perlite or something... plants looked healthy as can be but still some PM on the smaller lower leaves here n there... hmm.
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Oh no, I'm relating Kempf's practices and findings to DEM's ingredients in their veganic dry-blends. Have you ever heard of Dragonfly Earth Medicine? They made their first appearance at the cup in Denver last month... they were sharing their booth with Rocky Mtn Worm co.
We were talking about compost tea so Ingham came to mind, that's all. It's obv to me that John kills it so much harder than her knowledge-wise. I'm jealous you got to work with him man... he sounds like a pretty cool guy.
So what are you saying? Sorry I don't follow...
Microbe, you're response only reinforces the theory you are just shilling a product, and the blind unguided personal attacks are weak.
I was going to respond to some of your vitriol, but the direction this thread is heading on its own is more than enough. Is this how you respond to negative responses? Jesus, for a second I thought I was at the Mag.
Here's a bit of advice from someone with a low post count, so take it with a grain of salt. Lose the carpet habit. Then, realize that what someone complains about most in other people, is just a tirade about their own personal issues.
I've never met a hippy that had to tell someone who they were. Usually that crowd is packed with city dwellers and tools reaching for something they'll never grasp But I'm glad you clearly aren't one of those misguided papermen.
I'll read up on the lactobacillus, that part at least seemed interesting. The rest is just an overcomplicated tea made with a clusterfuck of ingredients. And yes, I did manage to read the ingredient list, even the ones with big words. Some of them have even been fermented and composted by me, the ego driven fool
The best advice here is from other people. Grow a healthy plant.
Some magic powder in a bag isn't going to save you, despite the dreadlocks and patchouli stank of the person selling it to you.
I was going to respond to some of your vitriol, but the direction this thread is heading on its own is more than enough. Is this how you respond to negative responses? Jesus, for a second I thought I was at the Mag.
Here's a bit of advice from someone with a low post count, so take it with a grain of salt. Lose the carpet habit. Then, realize that what someone complains about most in other people, is just a tirade about their own personal issues.
I've never met a hippy that had to tell someone who they were. Usually that crowd is packed with city dwellers and tools reaching for something they'll never grasp
But I'm glad you clearly aren't one of those misguided papermen.I'll read up on the lactobacillus, that part at least seemed interesting. The rest is just an overcomplicated tea made with a clusterfuck of ingredients. And yes, I did manage to read the ingredient list, even the ones with big words. Some of them have even been fermented and composted by me, the ego driven fool
The best advice here is from other people. Grow a healthy plant.
Some magic powder in a bag isn't going to save you, despite the dreadlocks and patchouli stank of the person selling it to you.
Microbe, you're response only reinforces the theory you are just shilling a product, and the blind unguided personal attacks are weak.
I was going to respond to some of your vitriol, but the direction this thread is heading on its own is more than enough. Is this how you respond to negative responses? Jesus, for a second I thought I was at the Mag.
Here's a bit of advice from someone with a low post count, so take it with a grain of salt. Lose the carpet habit. Then, realize that what someone complains about most in other people, is just a tirade about their own personal issues.
I've never met a hippy that had to tell someone who they were. Usually that crowd is packed with city dwellers and tools reaching for something they'll never grasp
I'll read up on the lactobacillus, that part at least seemed interesting. The rest is just an overcomplicated tea made with a clusterfuck of ingredients. And yes, I did manage to read the ingredient list, even the ones with big words. Some of them have even been fermented and composted by me, the ego driven fool
The best advice here is from other people. Grow a healthy plant.
Some magic powder in a bag isn't going to save you, despite the dreadlocks and patchouli stank of the person selling it to you.
Luckily for you ignorance is bliss my friend, carry on
You said powdery mildew on cannabis is systemic, the real word for that is endophytic.
Can you show me an example of endophytic powdery mildew on cannabis?
This is not a difficult question in any way lol
i do agree that Team seems a bit too keen on this DEM, but it could be because it saved his crop?
it's all very well telling people that healthy plants don't get pm, it doesnt really help to know once you have pm. also as has been said plants that have it inside can look very healthy in veg and early flowering, they can look perfect and then around week 4 of 12/12 that shit rears it's ugly head.
so really if we want to tell people that healthy plants don't get pm we should also add the buts. also would be most helpful to heal of anyone claiming the had a mother with a systemic pm infection that they managed to cure permanently with making her more healthy alone? if so what did you do to increase the health enough to get rid of her pm? is this connected to measuring the brix levels and adding chalk if the sap ph is too low?
basically what would you do exactly step by step to turn a pm sick mother that is not showing pm but all her clones show pm at week 4 of 12/12?
i know you can deal with it with dunking clones in e20, i also know you can keep on top of it by spraying every week with various teas and bacteria.
it's all very well telling people that healthy plants don't get pm, it doesnt really help to know once you have pm. also as has been said plants that have it inside can look very healthy in veg and early flowering, they can look perfect and then around week 4 of 12/12 that shit rears it's ugly head.
so really if we want to tell people that healthy plants don't get pm we should also add the buts. also would be most helpful to heal of anyone claiming the had a mother with a systemic pm infection that they managed to cure permanently with making her more healthy alone? if so what did you do to increase the health enough to get rid of her pm? is this connected to measuring the brix levels and adding chalk if the sap ph is too low?
basically what would you do exactly step by step to turn a pm sick mother that is not showing pm but all her clones show pm at week 4 of 12/12?
i know you can deal with it with dunking clones in e20, i also know you can keep on top of it by spraying every week with various teas and bacteria.
