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Actually a sad story that a bunch of morons screwed it all up.Positronics had a very good library with some fine genetics like this Holland Hope clone which finished in September and not like some pseudo's in October which you can order today.
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I never intented to offend anybody... i just wanted to express my doubts... and i think you can understand them when you read what i linked or indifferent quoted
i actually thought a few times of visiting that coffeeshop and buy some of his seeds, but the thing about him telling he can select the strains by only looking at the seeds kept me from it... (it's just not possible to differentiate 36 varieties - most of them related to eachother too - just by the seeds, sure you can tell a haze seed from an afghan, but that's something different) nevertheless i'm always interested in seeing some old posi stuff, the SP and PP clones i know are quite nice, and exceptionally strong
didn't know he died, sad to hear - RIP Hans...
On the identifying seeds by sight thing, I disagree, you very much can identify seeds by sight if the genes are stable, truebreeding as Posi's were, just as consistent traits show in the plants of stable, well-bred lines, so do consistent visual traits show in the seeds.
All of Posi's lines were very good, some of them great, all of them better than what the Dutch seedbanks sell nowadays. Posi closed not long before the Geoden law banned large grows and seed production, so the Dutch genes of today are the result of a decade of the Posi library being hacked in small underground grows, they have all declined in quality a good deal.
As far as I know, there are only two seedlines still easily available that accurately reflect the Posi original's quality - Tom Hill's Haze and Wernard's Double Fun, that fact is very sad.
I just don't have any faith in High Quality, Dutch Passion, Growi, Kulu and the others to buy their versions of the old posi lines, which is a shame as I really liked a lot of them.
You never see anyone growing any of the old Posi clones online anymore, out of the at least 100 clones in the library, a good few must still be around, surely?
All of Posi's lines were very good, some of them great, all of them better than what the Dutch seedbanks sell nowadays. Posi closed not long before the Geoden law banned large grows and seed production, so the Dutch genes of today are the result of a decade of the Posi library being hacked in small underground grows, they have all declined in quality a good deal.
As far as I know, there are only two seedlines still easily available that accurately reflect the Posi original's quality - Tom Hill's Haze and Wernard's Double Fun, that fact is very sad.
I just don't have any faith in High Quality, Dutch Passion, Growi, Kulu and the others to buy their versions of the old posi lines, which is a shame as I really liked a lot of them.
You never see anyone growing any of the old Posi clones online anymore, out of the at least 100 clones in the library, a good few must still be around, surely?
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Im growing positronics AK47 fems, (3-4 week) flowering period...
And they do rock...
And they do rock...
Well on the seed-selecting thing we have to agree to disagree then
as i wrote on the page before there are still a silver pearl and a power plant positronics clone around in germany, and i'm sure there are more out there...
but as i tried these clones i can say: they are good, but they are nothing that extraordinary like some might asume when they hear positronics... there is a lot of legend regarding this company, and some seem to think that every single seed from them would have been way better than everything from the other companies... i never grew posi seeds, but i know from the folks that did that you also had to do the selection work with their seeds...
and espacially the sensi seed stuff, i know, does in no way have to hide from these positronic clones... it all comes down to selection, wether with positronics or nirvana
and afaik not nearly all of the positronic strains were truebreeding, there also were lots of hybrids...
They were great, met wernard in the 90's , the Positronics shop was great, had to leave your camera at the door, then they let you in , kind of like a speak easy, in prohibition , picked up lots of gear, The Citral was great, and KC33 was a great out door plant worked great in the North east us, he had a great clone room, and a great smoking bar, they had to help me out the door I was wasted!!!!!! A+
Ah yes, the old Posi place was unique indeed. Citral was indeed great, proper Paki hash plant, I still don't understand why it's not as popular as it used to be, I think it just became considered standard commercial fodder like Power Plant and fell out of fashion.
KC33 is another good one, I loved the Mango which is KC33 x Afghani, I still have a cutting in fact, grown from an old pack of Posi seeds picked up in 97.
KC33 is another good one, I loved the Mango which is KC33 x Afghani, I still have a cutting in fact, grown from an old pack of Posi seeds picked up in 97.
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igrohydro
Im growing positronics AK47 fems, (3-4 week) flowering period...
And they do rock...
Hi Share,where did you buy them?
3-4 weeks,do you think the AK's will finish so soon?
The resin @ 4 weeks will be poor to say the least.
peace,hope you are well.
people always turning their noses up at the power plant.... dunno why, its great stuff if you let it finish proper... bloody philistines
people always turning their noses up at the power plant.... dunno why, its great stuff if you let it finish proper... bloody philistines
Great Stuff?
Mediocre stony crap
Where's the taste?
Character to the high?
Power Plant is popular because it yields huge, is really easy to grow and is decent quality in all aspects, not because it's particularly good in any one.
pfft.. and there you go and blow that whole thing where by you sounded like you knew what you were talking about...
its a fine sativa up high, great for day times and still being with it enough to keep everything together, even better for parties, proper chatty. doesnt taste of lemonade or grapefuit soda, but thats no reason to diss her...taste like a nice old school african actually... which is what she is... small wonder
its a fine sativa up high, great for day times and still being with it enough to keep everything together, even better for parties, proper chatty. doesnt taste of lemonade or grapefuit soda, but thats no reason to diss her...taste like a nice old school african actually... which is what she is... small wonder
No need to get personal.
Power Plant was originally Durban Poison, they selected for early finish and high yield for 9 generations before arriving at the first release of Power Plant.
But compare a good Durban bud to a good PP bud and there is no comparison, the PP will look much, much nicer, have far more resin, far higher density, ten times the bag appeal.
But it can't compete with the Durban for character of high.
Probably everyone who's ever visited Amsterdam will have smoked some PP, it's everywhere, and rarely sold as PP, it gets sold as White Widow a lot, or it did, when Widow was one of the names everyone asked for, I've seen PP sold as diesel and trainwreck in the last year or so, it is the standard substitute whenever they run out of things. There was one coffeeshop back in April that had 12 buds on the menu and 8 of them were PP FFS!
Another reason it is so popular is what the Dutch call the 'German tourist factor', as one coffeeshop proprietor once memorably told a group of us during one of the 420 cups 'you can't serve really strong wiet to German tourists, they get fucking smashed, and who wants to waste leeker wiet on Germans'. Yeah, the Dutch don't like the Germans, but what he was getting at was that it's safe to sell PP to tourists who aren't hardcore tokers because it's not going to leave them in a puddle of drool on the floor of your coffeeshop.
I also disagree about it smoking like an old school African sat. Sure, it can be a chatty, uppy weed, but that's when it's cut at 8 weeks, people actually grow it to 8, 9 or 10 weeks depending on how they want it to be, how soon they need the cash etc, a good 10 week batch will bring maybe 3500, a 9 week 3000, 8 weeks 2500, it's all economics. The 10 week stuff with the full potency and strong stone gets sold as Widow and other semi-premium weeds, the 9 weeks cheaper, the 8 weeks stuff is often the cheapest on the menu, bar the imported weeds and is often the most popular choice in the tourist shops. Hell, a lot of places WANT 8 week PP cos they know they can sell it all day long, it will satisfy their lightweight customers and isn't too strong for them.
The thing to remember is that PP is probably the most widely grown cut in Holland, yet you don't see it one coffeeshop menus very often, precisely because it is sold under other names. Power Plant isn't a high markup, headline name, so just change the name!
Maybe you are getting a different PP, but the common PP cut in Holland is nothing special.
Ok I admit I took offense.. I'm sorry for the sarcy comment, it was out of order.
I really don't claim its that "special" up against some of the "exotics" but compared to a lot of commercial crap (and a lot of THAT is PP) that I see, the PP I run is worth a look. I agree its not knock you on your ass herb, but actually thats one of it's qualities (I used to smoke this a lot working as a DJ, a spliff of anything bordering the quality of the SSH I have right now would be way over doing it and get me boo'd sacked or beaten up..lol.. everything has a place even less cattletruck stopping gear)
But anyway, my original point, the PP cut we run here in "zuid holland" (the one you're talking about in all likelyhood) is a clear cut above the way over inbred lines you can buy in seed form that many think of as "PP". This cut (I know personally) has been local since the early mid 90s when it was still "hot news". You're right in most of what you say actually, I can't disagree, but I still stand by the fact that ppl are wrong to turn their noses up at it. It's a mainstay for me and I have plenty of choices.. I wouldn't want you to think I'm utterly clueless either (I keep some fine old gems in my collection) growing is still a bit new to me... herb, not so much
The cut I have, really does taste earthy and fairly close to the original african imports though - the high isnt quite (edit * - anything like) as ceilingless, when I first smoked durban I literally would trip my nuts off, but its still there..albeit "managable".
I did recently see PP listed on a menu.. at 18 a g I wish I could remember where so you could tell your mates and laff .. I nearly shat myself when I saw it...
and to suggest it is deisel or TW is madness...sadly most of them just don't know any better.
theres an apology in there somewhere, I hope you'll accept it
I really don't claim its that "special" up against some of the "exotics" but compared to a lot of commercial crap (and a lot of THAT is PP) that I see, the PP I run is worth a look. I agree its not knock you on your ass herb, but actually thats one of it's qualities (I used to smoke this a lot working as a DJ, a spliff of anything bordering the quality of the SSH I have right now would be way over doing it and get me boo'd sacked or beaten up..lol.. everything has a place even less cattletruck stopping gear)
But anyway, my original point, the PP cut we run here in "zuid holland" (the one you're talking about in all likelyhood) is a clear cut above the way over inbred lines you can buy in seed form that many think of as "PP". This cut (I know personally) has been local since the early mid 90s when it was still "hot news". You're right in most of what you say actually, I can't disagree, but I still stand by the fact that ppl are wrong to turn their noses up at it. It's a mainstay for me and I have plenty of choices.. I wouldn't want you to think I'm utterly clueless either (I keep some fine old gems in my collection) growing is still a bit new to me... herb, not so much
The cut I have, really does taste earthy and fairly close to the original african imports though - the high isnt quite (edit * - anything like) as ceilingless, when I first smoked durban I literally would trip my nuts off, but its still there..albeit "managable".
I did recently see PP listed on a menu.. at 18 a g I wish I could remember where so you could tell your mates and laff .. I nearly shat myself when I saw it...
and to suggest it is deisel or TW is madness...sadly most of them just don't know any better.
theres an apology in there somewhere, I hope you'll accept it
Last time I was in the Dam.....about 8 years ago, I was staying right by the "Mellow Yellow"....TBH....it was a bit too plastic cafe style for me...and nothing special on the weed....The "Coffeeshop Little" next door was more my cup of tea....very cosy.
But I was generally unimpressed with the quality of the buddage in most places I visited (and I did as many as I could in 10 days). Seems no buds had a good flush. Couldn't get a pure joint to stay alight in many cases. And it was at the height of "White Widow mania". Compared with what I was getting in the States at that time....couldn't hold a candle to it.
The only thing that really blew my socks off was the Kali Mist at the Bluebird.
But that was a few years ago, and things might have changed by now. Just my 2p.
But I was generally unimpressed with the quality of the buddage in most places I visited (and I did as many as I could in 10 days). Seems no buds had a good flush. Couldn't get a pure joint to stay alight in many cases. And it was at the height of "White Widow mania". Compared with what I was getting in the States at that time....couldn't hold a candle to it.
The only thing that really blew my socks off was the Kali Mist at the Bluebird.
But that was a few years ago, and things might have changed by now. Just my 2p.
Ok I admit I took offense.. I'm sorry for the sarcy comment, it was out of order.
I really don't claim its that "special" up against some of the "exotics" but compared to a lot of commercial crap (and a lot of THAT is PP) that I see, the PP I run is worth a look. I agree its not knock you on your ass herb, but actually thats one of it's qualities (I used to smoke this a lot working as a DJ, a spliff of anything bordering the quality of the SSH I have right now would be way over doing it and get me boo'd sacked or beaten up..lol.. everything has a place even less cattletruck stopping gear)
But anyway, my original point, the PP cut we run here in "zuid holland" (the one you're talking about in all likelyhood) is a clear cut above the way over inbred lines you can buy in seed form that many think of as "PP". This cut (I know personally) has been local since the early mid 90s when it was still "hot news". You're right in most of what you say actually, I can't disagree, but I still stand by the fact that ppl are wrong to turn their noses up at it. It's a mainstay for me and I have plenty of choices.. I wouldn't want you to think I'm utterly clueless either (I keep some fine old gems in my collection) growing is still a bit new to me... herb, not so much
The cut I have, really does taste earthy and fairly close to the original african imports though - the high isnt quite (edit * - anything like) as ceilingless, when I first smoked durban I literally would trip my nuts off, but its still there..albeit "managable".
I did recently see PP listed on a menu.. at 18 a g I wish I could remember where so you could tell your mates and laff .. I nearly shat myself when I saw it...
and to suggest it is deisel or TW is madness...sadly most of them just don't know any better.
theres an apology in there somewhere, I hope you'll accept it
No worries at all Jamie, I think you've got a good handle on things from your prior posts, all is sweet, I think we were saying similar things from different perspectives.
I bet that PP cut you have is the same cos I've been told by others that the PP is good if done right, and to be honest, it's been such a long time since I smoked really well done PP that I can't really remember how it was. I think the really good growers who supply the shops just aren't growing PP anymore so any PP you run into isn't all that. I'm sure a 10 week, properly grown, flushed and cured PP is good stuff, I am sure an 8 week not all that well grown PP is nothing special, dunno about elsewhere in Holland, but in Amsterdam, PP batches are gonna be the latter.
Hunters Bar in April, just landed and dumped my bag in the Old Quarter next door, straight from being stuck in airports and planes for hours, needing to get high fast, ran next door to Hunters, it was busy so I glanced quickly at the menu, saw Trainwreck, it wasn't too expensive, 12e I think, bought a gram, grabbed a paper and tip off the bar and sat down and rolled half of it up in a J, took two puffs, realised it was PP and left the other half the bag behind and smoked the PP while briskly heading elsewhere to find something else. A friend bought some Sour Diesel somewhere else in the RLD that was PP that week as well.
To be honest, I'd love to try your PP, African sats are exactly my thing, and I also like daytime manageable highs, if you can get that from PP then I can totally see it's appeal as it has all the yield, ease of growth etc that you could want.
Funnily enough, I have half a dozen Durban Poison (supposedly) seedlings a few days old, fingers crossed I find something worthwhile. If I turn up a good male, a Durban x PP cross could be interesting, pollen and cuts have a way of travelling around.
What sorta music do ya play in your DJ sets? I work in computing which is stupendously boring and monotonous, just sat looking at code on a screen all day, so I absolutely have to smoke weed on the way to work and at lunchtime otherwise my brain would slowly die from boredom, but it has to be weed with a buzz that is functional, I mean, if you've ever tried smoking ECSD then trying to find the bug in hundreds of lines of code, it just won't work, but a nice sativa and it can work very well.
I'd forgotten PP can be a nice sativa because it's rare to encounter it in that form, thanks for reminding me and sorry if my original slighting of PP caused offence!
PS I piss off the Cheese heads all the time, it's just me and my hatred of commercial crap...
I was so disappointed when I went to Mellow Yellow, I was expecting a place dripping with history and nostalgia and it turned out to be more like a transport cafe, if it had had bottles of HP and bowels of sugar on the table it would have been exactly like a British caff! lol Not been back since, that was 10 years ago, don't remember the weed, can't say I've been to that part of town for a long time.
I remember those days, nothing has changed really, the weed is the same, quality has declined overall since then, prices have gone up a lot. There are loads of places with a couple of good things on the menu, but it takes a lot of walking and tasting to find those gems and that used to be fun, sure, you buy a few bags that got abandoned due to not burning right or tasting like arse or causing a coughing fit, but it was cheap enough that you didn't care, onto the next shop and the next bag. These days, it's way to expensive to do that so you have to talk to people who live there before you go to find out where to find the good bags. One other change is the shops themselves, the days of the really uncomfortable, cold, dirty shop are thankfully on the wane. A lot of places have modernised and finally got some seats that don't wreck your arse and back and a few shops have been bought out and become part of a chain - Pink Floyd is now a dampkring, barneys and greenhouse have new branches etc. So now you have coffeeshops that are ultra smart and modern, I loved the old Pink Flloyd a lot, but gotta admit, the modernisation the dampkring have done to the building is stunning.
So the weed and hash are generally not as good, the prices are a lot higher and a good many of the shops are much nicer, but it's the same old same old really. It's lost a lot of it's charm from what it was, it just doesn't have that loose, free, wacky hippy atmosphere anymore, it is just like Bruges, Antwerp or any other small city with canals, if it wasn't for the weed, there would be no reason to go there. I've completely fallen out of love with the place and so have most of the folks I know. Thank god I'm just and so old enough to have seen how it was before it lost it's character.
you never "piss me off",,,,,,i just get worried somtimes that,,you would throw away all the "main-stays",,,
cheese is an outliner indervidual from the Sk line,,,,,ok maybe we should move away from the sk1 line,,,,,but the clones are worth keepin and growin bro,,,,,,we all loved them once for indervidal reason,,,,,,,i guess it all depends on ya perspective
ps,,,,,i dont like PP,,,,,,i think it tastes like anaseed and soil,,,,the high is ok but it aint crazy enough for me,,,,id say its high in CBD,,,,,,,,but my main focus with PP is because its SO mold resistant!!,,,,id say it has MANY Quantitive traits that ARE worth saving,,,,,presevation is a point of view
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