Positronics

[kopite]

Positronics went bust because the employees were robbing the place blind. The people who went on to run Nirvana, High Quality, Homegrown Fantaseeds, Growi Seeds etc all worked for Positronics and this is why their original seed line-ups were just f2s of Posi lines. Nirvana took a slightly different tack, they used the best production clones from the Posi collection and pollinated them with a special Purple Skunk male.

yes he got screwed by everyone its documented. He is a pioneer to me and a great man.

 

[kopite]

As we understand it Wernard initially closed Positronics following his divorce ,, and subsequently gave his seed lines to the ppl involved with Positronics at the time. Peace

hell no he went bankrupt as a result of those so called friends... they left him with nothing... they got some stock back but it was all mixed up...

 

[englishrick]

ahh man^^^ thats some bad news right there

 

[Smokey#1]

The map with the Positronics seeds did get stolen but got found, Hans (an ex-worker @ Positronics) got he's hand on the map. (He was like a student of Wernard)

Hans Aka TheKeeper Aka Asanoha here on Icmag. (R.I.P) Made he's own strains with the old seeds, he named the line Nederzaad. (There are some topics about this on here)

 

[Smokey#1]

The map with the Positronics seeds did get stolen but got found, Hans (an ex-worker @ Positronics) got he's hand on the map. (He was like a student of Wernard)

Hans Aka TheKeeper Aka Asanoha here on Icmag. (R.I.P) Made he's own strains with the old seeds, he named the line Nederzaad.(Netherseeds - Netherlands, Seeds, ya get it? lmao)

There are some topics about this on here,

 

[DocLeaf]

hell no he went bankrupt as a result of those so called friends... they left him with nothing... they got some stock back but it was all mixed up...

I n I will ask him next time we speak,, we didnt realise this was the case. Not that it makes much difference,, the mans firmly back on his feet. Peace n love all

 

[hazeified]

Familiar story unfortunately, old stuff was superb, new stuff is said to be average.

 

[DocLeaf]

I n I dunno,, all we know is that his Chitral (x Skunk) still smokes like the Mt. it came from

Dem commercial cats disliked it that much ,, they gave the tray away.. lol

Found a good home,, trimmed it,, and digged it,, real weed!

Then flowered our own out from the same pack...

Jah Wernard Bruining for making such magic available..

Peace peace peace

"First we need to change ourselves,, then we might just change the scene" [Chester P]

 

[noreaga]

positronics, some of the best kushes i ever had! mkush and hindu kush, absolutely fuckin amazing

 

[DocLeaf]

Hardy is the word,, we even started their Chitral seedlings on blocks of ice once.. just to see exactly how hardy ..lol

Most seedlings,, from most breeders ,, would die at this stage!

 

[dread]

i&i still grow Nederzaad & will always keep on growing em & breeding em as long as i&i live!

Smoke & fly Hans!!!
grtz
D.

 

[dread]

written by Hans himself
grtz
D.

 

[Sideshow-Bob]

The map with the Positronics seeds did get stolen but got found, Hans (an ex-worker @ Positronics) got he's hand on the map. (He was like a student of Wernard)

Hans Aka TheKeeper Aka Asanoha here on Icmag. (R.I.P) Made he's own strains with the old seeds, he named the line Nederzaad. (There are some topics about this on here)

I'm not so sure about this hans van de hasj guy... a few years back he was making advertisement on the german grow forum hanfburg, that he still sells Posi genetics for 50 euro 10 seeds in the coffeeshop la tertulia...

there he talked a lot of bullshit imho... i don't know the guy but i know he has about no clue about plant-genetics and breeding...

here is a link to the german site with a thread were hans posted a lot (all posts from hans are in english, so no problem for you to read)

http://forum.hanfburg.de/fhb/showthread.php?t=167474&highlight=positronics+purple+haze

edit: here's his first post:

http://forum.hanfburg.de/fhb/showpost.php?p=524783&postcount=77

there are a few more from him later in the thread, also about how positronics fell apart...

as you can see he states things like "blueing a plant is a technique" and tells folks he is able to differentiate more than 20 strains just by looking at the seeds...

i really doubt he got that from wernard

greetz

 

[indifferent]

hell no he went bankrupt as a result of those so called friends... they left him with nothing... they got some stock back but it was all mixed up...

Yup, they got some back ages later but as you say, it was messed up. Broke Wernard's heart at the time.

The map with the Positronics seeds did get stolen but got found, Hans (an ex-worker @ Positronics) got he's hand on the map. (He was like a student of Wernard)

Hans Aka TheKeeper Aka Asanoha here on Icmag. (R.I.P) Made he's own strains with the old seeds, he named the line Nederzaad. (There are some topics about this on here)

I had the story he posted at another site saved somewhere as a txt file, I will try to find it.

I n I will ask him next time we speak,, we didnt realise this was the case. Not that it makes much difference,, the mans firmly back on his feet. Peace n love all

He's over it now, gone into politics with the Groen Vrij party, took him a few years to get over it all but he looks healthy ad happy enough these days.

I hope the old fella knows how much many of us love him for all he did, he got treated shockingly, really sad tale.

Wernard Bruining – Cannabis Pioneer and Activist

by lazystrain

Soft Secrets 2008

With a career spanning more than 30 years working as a Cannabis Activist, Author, Connoisseur, Breeder, Dealer, Political Leader, Growshop Owner, and Coffeeshop Pioneer, Wernard Bruining has given cannabis culture his all. A forefather of the cannabis normalisation process in Europe Wernard created the worlds very first coffeeshop in the heart of Amsterdam. Since then Wernard Bruining has been working towards educating a mostly unconscious society about the consciousness of smoking and growing with cannabis.

By placing the lifestyle of this extraordinary character into a biographical context, we didn’t want to pay Wernard any discredit. As the person responsible for giving cannabis such a respectable image it was always important that we captured his side of the story, in his own words. The measure of the man himself trails way beyond the surface of cannabis culture and into its very pockets. Soft Secrets then arranged a telephone interview with Wernard at his home. What follows can therefore only be regarded as a snippet of what Wernard Bruining has so far achieved.

The Pioneer

Wernard Bruining was born in Dutch New Guinea, now Indonesia. His upbringing in the friendly laid-back atmosphere of the former Dutch Colony is what Wernard accredits making his transition into the Dutch hippie Society so easy.

While studying to become a school teacher in 1969 Wernard first got involved with the Student Revolutions that were occurring across Amsterdam’s Universities. A year later Wernard went to a New Years Eve party at a youth club called ‘2nd Home’. The Laid back atmosphere reminded Wernard of the East, and that made it easy for him stay in this hippie world. Soon the visitors staged their own revolution because the leaders of the Youth Club ” – smoked to much Hasj, (and) dropped to much acid, and weren’t doing a good job in organising the youth centre”.

In Wernard’s own words “I had entered a as big a world, with less people and no rules. I learned that you can only enjoy this freedom in the cannabis world by designing your own new set of rules” These rules involved consumption of cannabis and LSD. The essence of coffeeshop culture was then slowly starting to unfold.

During the early 1970’s Wernard adopted a Hippie lifestyle, living in communes with friends sometimes as many as nine people to one room. In 1972 he moved into a “squatter-house” where most of the residents were dealing to get their own smoke for free. Back then he explains “the smoking and dealing went together”. In 1973 Wernard opened his own “Tea House”. The worlds first officially recognised Cannabis Coffeeshop on Amsterdam’s Weesperzijde 53, the ‘Mellow Yellow’.

Mellow Yellow was “a way of organising things in a polite and civilised manner”. The “tea house” only allowed one “house-dealer” who had a variety of cannabis products prebagged in 10 or 25 guilder deals, so there was never any mistake about the price or quantity of hash or grass on offer. This system of just one dealer, who was protected by the coffeeshop, became known as the “Golden Coffeeshop Formula”. The visitors of the coffeeshop were protected, as was the shop owner, since the police could only arrest the house-dealer. The Golden Coffeeshop Formula Wernard created in turn allowed hundreds of other coffeeshops to open their doors to the public of Amsterdam.

The varieties of cannabis available back then were mainly imported from third world countries, Wernard explains. The grass had lots of seeds in it and was of average quality compared with the top quality hashish that was available. Wernard travelled to America in 1978 and discovered growers using the ’sinsemillia technique’ of farming cannabis. He then asked Old Ed 1916-2007, to come to Europe. Over the next 4 – 5 years Old Ed. lived with Wernard at his house in Amsterdam and the ‘Green Team’ was founded. The Green Team, old Ed, Wernard, and friends, had a vision of turning Amsterdam into the Jamaica of Europe. Check out: http://www.cannabisconnections.nl/olded.html

He started the Lowland Seed Company in 1980. Holland’s first seed bank. Lowland Seed Co. was used as an advertising vehicle to promote the Sinsemilla idea. Wernard came up with the smart idea of selling seeds, biological fertilizers, and an instructions poster in a cardboard box for 25 guilders. The motivation behind the venture was to encourage smokers to start growing their own cannabis plants, all at the same cost of a coffeeshop bag. The idea caught on and thousands of people across the Netherlands and Europe starting growing their own cannabis.

During those pioneering years of the Sinsemilla Guerilla the Green team did a lot of growing and dealing in order to support their operations. Each year the Green Team produced more product, up to 200 kg a year, that Wernard had to sell to the Coffeeshops.

In 1985 Wernard realised that the “Sinsemilla Guerilla” had grown up and no longer really needed his help. So in1985 he left the Green Team and opened Europe´s first grow shop Positronics. As an enthusiastic table-football player Wernard’s momentous behind opening Positronics was to fund the construction of what he called “the ultimate table football machine”. Originally, Positronics sold seeds, clones, lights and fertilisers. As the company developed Wernard started to experiment by designing his own reflectors that indoors growers still use today. Positronics went from strength to strength ending up with 60 employees and even a newspaper called ‘Soft Secrets’. The ultimate table football machine was also finally constructed from American Oak, costing around 6,000 guilders to make.

In 1984 Wernard realised that clones made it so much easier for people to grow their own plants. So he did the next logical thing and added ‘The Sensimilla Fan Club’ in 1985 to Positronics. The Sensimilla Fan Club stocked between 40-50 varieties and operated on two levels. Firstly visitors had to be a member of the club, which helped protected the constitutional rights of its members from the police. Secondly the issue of membership deterred profit hungry commercial growers from submitting their details and abusing the facilities Wernard was providing. The police later raided The Sensimilla Fan Club, confiscated 10,000 plants and demanded a list of the clubs members from Wernard. To which Wernard said “No”. This was respected by the police who advised him to start all over again. “You must have copies of your clones somewhere, and we wont´t be coming back for at least a year or so they said”. A promise that was kept, they never came back.

The Activist

Wernard’s passion for cannabis didn’t stop there. As one of the worlds leading cannabis activists Wernard is as much a pioneer of the liberalisation process as he is a grow guru and coffeeshop pioneer. One morning in 1994 Wernard awoke with a line in his head – “Medi Wiet is a must”. He got out of bed and phoned a few coffeeshops asking them to sell cannabis to certified medicinal patients at half the normal coffeeshop price. The champagne was a success. At least 50 coffeeshops signed up to the idea until the Dutch Government stepped in and placed their own draconian legislation on things.

Realising that the issue of medicinal cannabis further promotes a responsible image of cannabis use within society, Wernard is still an active campaigner for the rights of medi. patients via his website www.medi-wiet.nl . As Wernard puts it “The Medi-patients are the Commandos of the Pro Cannabis Army”. Some of his work there is involved in helping doctors to acknowledge the lifestyle of their patients. A paper, (down-loadable from the medi-wiet website), can be submitted to a Doctor or Physician for his/her signature, which in turn acts as a statement of intent/proof for the police to act upon if they so care. Thus helping to make the whole process of growing medicinal weed in the Netherlands a lot more transparent and official.
Wernard supports Adriaan Jansen’s theory of the ‘Green Avalanche’ – whereby the estimated uptake in home-growing coupled alongside the ignorance of politicians will witness a green avalanche of decriminalization and a normalization process will result in the global emancipation of cannabis. Check out: http://www.cedro-uva.org/lib/bruining.how.html

Wernard’s prediction is that “In 10 – 20 years, a combination of youth, the internet, and lots of free information will see a different Europe. The foundation of Christian beliefs are based on God. Cannabis is a entheogene. An entheogene opens people´s eyes for the God in themselves and others. Religions like to hold a monopoly on these things”. Religion to Wernard is a fairytale of misguided beliefs that automatically leads to “The fairytale of a drug-free society”.

As the Political Leader of ‘Green Free’, the Dutch Cannabis Party whose own slogans include “Blow those crazy baldheads out of the Dutch Government!’ Wernard remains politically active. Aiming to bridge the distance between cannabis users and the 25% of the general Dutch public that “disapprove” of cannabis, or simply remain ignorant to its uses, is half his aim. On the 1st June 2008 a proposed ban on smoking in coffeeshops comes into place and coffeeshops may well be reduced to selling points. Wernard sees that this will only force smoking onto the streets and the government will finally “have to” impose an outright ban.

Always on the look out to explore new ideas and formulas to bridge the gap between the civilised and the insane Wernard is always on the case. “The era of the coffeeshop is almost passéé” Wernard cheerfully laments. “The problem with coffeeshops is they offer scary access to the big public. Cannabis clubs that are only open to members would be better for the cannabis scene in general. Each drug is as safe as the set of rules that surrounds its consumption. Coffeeshops provide Cannabis such a safe set of rules. A potential consumer can enter a coffeeshop and see what cannabis does to you, you either like it, or you don´t. At least as a consumer you have an honest choice. Remember, Cannabis products are relatively innocent, but they are at the same time powerful mind altering drugs”.

Today Wernard Bruining still produces his famous postcards and information folders featuring Amsterdam’s finest coffeeshops and cannabis attractions freely for people to take home with them. Talking with people is one of the things that Wernard most enjoys, so he’s currently running his own ‘High in Holland’ tours in central Amsterdam. Starting with a 1 hour PowerPoint lecture followed by a 2 hour guided tour of Amsterdam’s finest. His informative tourist adventure takes place every Saturday at 11.00 pm starting at the Cannabis College, O.Z.Achterburgwal 124. To find out more about the ‘High in Holland’ guided tours contact the College, or mail Wernard direct at [email protected] .

Soft Secrets would like to say a big “Dank U” to Wernard for sharing his laid-back lifestyle and logical approach towards cannabis with us all.

 

[indifferent]

I found the story I had saved, by Skunk Fan Club Amsterdam:

http://forum.hanfburg.de/fhb/showthread.php?t=167474&page=6

Posted by sfaholland, 29.10.2003:

Now availible through Skunk Fanclub Amsterdam

***=availible
///=not availible YET!

Afghani,***
Amstel 11,***
Aurora Borealis (Northern Light) ///
Californian Orange Bud,***
Cithai,***
Citral,***
Four Way,***
Golden Leaf,***
Green Dragon,***
Haze, ///
Haze#19, ///
Haze#19xSkunk#1, ///
Hindu Kush, ///
Hollandsh Hoop, ///
Master Kush,***
Misty,***
Purple Haze, ///
Shiva,***
Silver Pearl, ///
Skunk#1,***
Skunk Special, (Red Hair) ***
Top-44,***
Viking,***
XXX,***

The strains are all in the map, they're all in the house!But I haven't had time and space enough to open upp all strains.
The good side from this sad detail is that it leaves us something to look forward too ;-)
The 4 Haze strains are not for sale yet. Those are crown Jewels of Amsterdam.They are still un crossed and in the pure shape like they where back in 1995.
I will make a 50% version of the Haze in the future (2004) and will put that on the list.So the members are able to grow and taste something from a higher quality than other growers.My advise is to keep the strains pure and not to cross them.We know now that pure strains could disapear if everyone thinks that they are skunkmasters.At least save some pure seeds for the future so you can allways start over again from the basic plant.Of course you are free to do what ever you like with the seeds, they are your property.I am able to teach you how to re-select your plants so you can make that strain more compact and stronger.If you listen to my advise than nothing could go wrong with the plant.You will be able to:Germinate seeds, select the best plant, make cuttings, give a motherplant eternal life, flower weed indoors and outdoors, make seeds yourself, manicure weed, and make hash from the clippings from your harvest.In other words you will be a Sinsemilla Guerilla yourself with in no time.You will be able to grow anywhere with a handfull of seeds.You will be able to make your own organic weed and you won't have to buy what ever they offer you.It's even better because you will have Amsterdams finest genetics in your hands.

Well, see you later.

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Hello, strawberry fields, and others.
I will keep my eyes open.


Well everything,...YES everything.
At least everything I have learned when
I used to work at Positronics Sinsemilla Fanclub.
From seed t'ill hash, and all in between.
All biological, all top quality.

HAZE is a different subject.
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I know how hard it is to get the weed you want here in Amsterdam.
Once you have found your favoriete in a coffeeshop, it's sold out, especially when it rains.
The best thing to do is to start growing your own biological grass, but, now, hey,...were to get those seeds.
Than you are back into that same old rain again, because wich seedshop should you choose right than?
And do we know how those shops grew those seeds? It's getting one big mist from there if you are a customer.

Everyone who had to work with "green" inside the Positronics was trained for the job by experts.
Almost everyone is able to pollinate plants, just a few people are able to make GOOD seeds.
Why? They know what selecting means. And practice it because of the higher value in quality.
Basic material is everything, if your seeds aren't good, you are wasting time.

Talk to you later.

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"What about the positronics Fan club.... dose he still exist?"

NO, there's nothing left of the Positronics company. I locked down the last door of it, I helped Peter and Wernard to clean the party up, after it was all over, july 1997. Peter passed away in December 2001.

The Positronics was stolen empty by most of it's own workers. The bookkeeper was corrupted by the "concurents". 40 out of 47 workers were stealing from the Positronics at the end. It was a mistake from wernard to think everything will go fine if we mix 47 people with thousands and thousands of guilders. In fact there wasn't any management at all.

I am one of the few survivors who have seen it all, and I whas rewarded by faith 4 years after the close down.

Talk to you later!

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In 1997 Wernard (owner of the Positronics) his desk whas searched by this person who got fired because he saw himself as the new manager in the re-start of the Positronics, well he got fired and after that he stripped Wernard his desk, he took along Wernard his personal seed collection, a collection that represents at least 25 years of collecting the best strains. Thief gone, seeds gone, and in those days we had no idea who did it, wernard was quiet desperate about it. But hey, everything that let loose, got stolen.

The 7 people that where honest got a new job in the "Positronics II" a restarting company under Peter the Bushdoctor just across the former Posi building in the same street.But all the debts from "Positronics I" where a bit too much for the restart.It lasted half a year and than it whas really over and out.The 7 people where valunteers from day one, they worked for free to help the company.But the debts where too much.There whas no material or money.We stopped selling cuttings because of the new law in 1996.So it whas all drying out.And because the news was out, former friends turned into sharks, they tried to take what was left.I have seen old daily customers standing on top of a filled garbagecontainer searching in what whas left of the Positronics, and that image made me think. I whas the one who answered the telephone in the last 3 months, I said a thousand times: Yes, we are having a bit of problems but we will overcome those, it's nothing!So we cleaned all the places out, and locked up.Wernard whas left with one million to pay back to the tax.

Wernard asked me 3 times in several following years if I knew anything about his collection.In those days I didn't even knew he had a personal stam-collection. (It is the standart collection so one can allways make strains that one sells through his shop.)

In 2001 I walked through the centre and walked into Red Erik, one of the 7.He said he started a flowershop at the prinsengracht and I should come and see the place.I did that same week.So I admired his shop and after ten minutes we where talking about our Posi-days.We had some good times.I asked him if he had some collectables left out of those days, like lighters, ballpoints, stickers, posters, caps, anything.He said: No I am sorry but I couldn't see that fucking bird anymore.
.................................................. ....but, I know something that somebody left down here in my cellar.Wait here.

And Erik went into his cellar and came back with a huge bag with seeds.He said Listen, "X" took them out of revenge because he couldn't grab his dream job in the Posi.He trew all the strains in one bag, all together, all mixed up."X" went drinking, devorced, and whas out of work.So when Erik opened up his shop "X" became gofor in Eriks place, that lasted for 2 weeks and than they had an argument because "X" whas never there, except for lending money."X" owned Erik 400 guilders when he left.It whas for a repairing job that "X" never finished."X" left 2 tool boxes behind, in one of these two was the bag with seeds.Erik knew that I whas in contact with Wernard and he gave them to me, with the words, here you have them, you have got an eye for detail, YOU select them!I have a shop and no time for that shit.(Yes Erik is rude sometimes, but very friendly to me) I got the bag at 16.00 and 16.15 I had Wernard on the phone.I said: gues what?

3 weeks later I had the bag selected, 40% whas rubbish, 10% unknown, the other 50% selected in 36 obviously different strains. (Yes, my second job was selecting seeds in the Posi) Than I met with Wernard and showed him the stolen collection.But he hardly looked at it.He said he had worked for 25 years to get that all together and look what it had delivered him, he said thank you but it is your turn now.The seeds are in good hands.I have got other things to do.So from there I started opening up strains that I didn't recocnize by the seed.But once the plant and the bud is there I know what it is.That delivered the list of strains that are opened up uptill now.

Example:
I have smoked Haze in the Positronics twice, and both times by mistake I am afraid. I know it is not normal.
Haze is terrible to smoke.You can eat 20 snicker bars but that won't get you sober.It is a day-dream that won't let go.
We tried to sell the cuttings but it wasn't succesfull amongst the amsterdam growers, because the flowering time is between 14 and 16 weeks.I have seen the mother, the cuttings, the very tiny buds, real small and light sand in colour with some pink pistills, and if you rolled such a small bud between 2 fingers, it turned into black hash, really dark black sticky shit with a terrible smell to it.Haze is a sativa looking plant, thin leaves.A small zig-zagging stam with small buds in the corners, absolutely not these big buds that they wave in your face all over internet.I don't know one coffeeshop or seedshop in Amsterdam that would sell real pure Haze.They just don't have it.But many shop owners don't know their material so they just sell what they have been told.They have no control over their produktion.

That's why I started SFA with a couple of friends, to make the weed we like ourselves.Just to keep strains alive and to have a biological high quality smoke.We gather in a coffeeshop, exchange information and weed, have a coffee and a smoke and all go back home again because that's where the real clubhouse is.The party is at home this time.I have helped several doctors from several countries, in genetics and information.Nothing else than the standart Positronics story.We have helped medie-wiet users too.We help people get started if they need it.But only for own use and NO commercial crops.Every member is responcible for his own deeds of course, that's why I placed that risk in their hands.We don't make cuttings, we don't ship seeds out of holland, it is only allowed if it is in hobby style.I want to be able to share information in the future that's why we have to stick to the rules of the game.The only place where you can get these seeds is at the prinsengracht 312.I think it is Amsterdams finest coffeeshop, music but not loud, good food, excellent view on the boats in the canal, it's an easy place to be, no circus at all, one of the elder coffeeshops in Amsterdam. O yeah, in the last weekend of november we are having a meeting with a mystery guest, maybe we will see you than.If not in november,... you are welcome anytime.

Later!

Hi WeeDLoveR ,

Nope, I didn't find it hard, but real interesting, to see how 25 year old friends start to drink eachothers blood.Sworn comrades start to behave like snakes out of the blue, that's interesting.Positronics whas there from 1985-1997.Before the posi it was called The Lowland Seedcompany, before that Wernard started the Mellow Yellow and Peter van Schie was the first dealer in there, Peter invented the pre packed sales, and Peter his custom made leather dealers bag is still in the amsterdams historisch museum.For me it wasn't hard, for me it was being a part of a great experience.Positronics supplied many growers in amsterdam, positronics used to have 3600 registered clients.Members of the positronics, than there where also the hundreds of foreign visitors, it was a supermarket. positronics rented 7 floors next to eachother broke down the walls in between and called that the shop.Across the street they rented another 4 garages to make that storage room and the workshop, because we produced our own dubbel secured high quality light systhem in 250, 400, 600 and 1000Watt, single and duo boxes.

"The seeds Wernard collected... are they the strains from your list or where there others, too???"
The strains on my list are out of that same collection, yes.
Yes there are others..more..about 27 un-develloped ones, like...Silver pearl?

I only released a few of the average strains, like Master Kush, Californian Orange Bud, Citral, I did opened up Haze#19 in 2001at a members his place, just to see if it whas the one, it is.So those strains are known already and refreshed.Personally I don't like to smoke Haze, because to me it is the nearest thing to a coma, far to heavy!!And I haven't given it to any members or anybody else yet.You can see the pictures at my foto gallerie on overgrow.There is also a picture of Old Ed and Wernard.

I had a blitz-career in the Positronics, I started as a cleaner, after two weeks I sat at a table selecting seeds, than I visited all kinds of gardens with the "Positronics Green Crue" and during the evenings I helped cleaning in the cantina, than wernard asked me to become "Hans van de Hasj".I builded my own Hasjbar, and we opened the first un-official Hasjbar in Amsterdam inside the Positronics, I helped the guests to make hash out of their clippings.We had two pollinators, a leopol, and one press.I won a first price at the Hashbash in 1996.And than all hell broke loose.Wernard called all the workers together gave them a letter and started to read it to us, that the positronics whas in big troubles and financial problems and they had to let some people "free".And than I saw the first big separation in "the team", the ones that usually picked their noses (if not smoking) started to but and but and we have got rights.Yeah right, so they left right away.Others got fired because of stealing, or deals made outside of the positronics with customers they met in the positronics.We have obviousely been watched for weeks.So there where about 30 people standing there confused by this news.A groop started calling that we should meet in the pub at the corner because we don't have to take this from wernard, who does he think he is ...the owner?And because I have never been a groop person or a pub lover I said no thank you when I whas invited by a girl from that groop, I found that group a bit sleazy.Peter was standing two meters away from me against the wall, observing.When that groop left the building Peter called me aside.And from there I had a great adventure.

SFA membership is more a local thingy, and for you not really importand, the seeds are and the right information with them. ( you will get them WeeDLoveR )
Nee, really I see this seed collection as an Amsterdam herritage, that means it should stay here.The historie before all took place in Amsterdam, so it shouldn't leave town.It really is thousands hours of work, blood, police, neighbours, judges.So it should be kept as one collection.But also I have been learned to share, share with the right people.So a few are availible trough that one adres, and that's because I like the place. Silver pearl and Haze is out of the question, maybe I would like to open up a shop myself or sell the top of the collection, than I need the' aces.And I know what these are worth to other seedgrowers.

It amazed me because it is only a 50% haze#19 and 50% Skunk#1
Read this below and shiver.
Laters!
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Item #111030853393 : Dutchflowers' Haze x Skunk - final lot

Currently $559.00 (no reserve price) First bid $5.00
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Started Fri Aug 23 21:11:29 2002 NA Location Quebec, Canada
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Haze Skunk hybrids are the heart of every successful sativa strain, from Kali Mist and Fuma con Dios to Jack Herer (Cinderella) and Super Silver Haze. This is our version of the classic Haze x Skunk hybrid, which we heartily recommend as an excellent all-around sativa.

A true classic. Awesome original Positronics Haze #19 (father of our Apollo Trip) crossed with the authentic vintage Skunk #1. Most of our early breeding efforts were made just trying to defeat this cross... and it's a very tough job even today. Painstaking parent selection out of dozens of already selected prospective individuals has resulted in a phenotype that is remarkably easy to grow, yet retains all the wonderful sativa qualities in the high. Sparkling clear, cerebral and totally up, lucid and visual effects. Taste is sweet and very smooth, with a haunting sour & metallic flavor. Very good yielder of thick oily buds, often bigger than two to three beer cans tape together.

Merciless Darwinian selection was employed to select prospective parents and breed out typical Haze quirkiness, ensuring exceptional vigor and optimum health instead. Notably quick finishing for a Haze, takes 8 to 10 weeks to flower depending on individual selected, growing conditions and the genetic age of the clone mother. This is the epitome of the head stash strain for personal consumption, and a top Haze choice for commercial gardens.
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$559.00,
And that's for an 50% 'er, can you believe that?And nobody is sure if it really is from Positronics.
Quiet amazing to see this.

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Hello weeDloveR,

My time during the positronics period whas like exam for the highschool of life.
I thought I knew everything about people, but when it get's to serious money
even 25 year old friends can start a fight.
I realise the value of the collection.Nobody is able to make an estimation.
And I realise there are mad man who are willing to pay too much money for
something they believe it is.To me it is like: Today he bought his ticket for the "next" concorde flight.
It doesn't mean that I have lost my sence for reality.
I stick to the old rules.No export, no milking, no lies, no commercial, no hydro, etc.
I cannot send cannabis seeds to the us, or else where, because the laws
over there really destroy people their lifes.They loose their houses, their jobs,
go to jail for years and than loose their family. I don't want that on my mind.
Not even for one million dollars.That's part of the old rules.

That's why I am very amazed by the fact that so many people order over the internet.
I think it's very dangerous to leave your adres in a systhem from a stranger.
It is illegal, so why make a registration from that? That's a bit silly, isn't it?

weeDloveR let me first ask you, in what strain are you interested?
And, are you a bio grower?

Talk to you later.

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Hello Connie Corleone,

"How do genes for purple work?" Exactly the same as usual.
"Is it only possibly to see lots of colour if its cold enough or is there some strain which turns purple no matter how cold it gets? "..Ehm...Yes, and...No.They must have been "Blued" It is a technique, it is possible with all the strains...Ehm Purple Power? That's an Aghanie plant that has been blued. And if you pollinate a blued female with a blued male, ques what colour the seeds will be?......Exactly, Purple. Can you make a skunk redhair into a blued plant? yes you can.It will still taste alike a skunk redhair but it will look purple.The taste is not exactly the same,...but alike.

None of my members has ever asked this question about this proces, how dare you? ;-)
I will explain if we will ever meet.

Did I do some serious breeding?I did served Old Ed his tea every morning at 10.30 and looked over his shoulder when he was selecting his plants to make seeds from, (he had an own growing room inside the positronics) I learned a lot by just listening to him, because he explained everything so clear and simple, there's no way I will ever forget these methods.But thanks to my GREAT teacher Peter the Bushdoctor I know every detail there's to know about hash and weed.He also teached me the powers of this plant, and how people can react on these.He teached me the finest way to make weed, and he explained to me how produktion works.Besides the Blue'ing proces he teached me several other things that you will not read in these growbooks they sell.He did worked in the weed world since 1968, he really had seen it all.He always said that plants never cause troubles, the people do!He teached me to accept certain behaviour from plants, that we just have to live with.(Meaning: we must serve the plant, other wise it will never serve you.) Ehm, the magic word was QUALITY, no matter in what....it is quality that counts.Everything you do must be the best for the plant, than you are able to make some good weed.At the end I cooked for him and cleaned his house, so I heard a few things. Peter whas the best teacher one could find in holland if it comes to weed.He was the motor in the Positronics, all the growers asked for his advise (if possible), all the so called big ones admired him because he never bended for corruption.The thing he worried about that whas that his bicycle wouldn't get stolen, a real old 50's black gentlemans bicycle that used to belong to his father.And as a miracle it never was stolen. Wernard has always been the great mind behind several new ideas, but the green department was Peter's.I have only made "Cithai" that's a creation of myself, Citral x Thai x Citral.I used Thai Stick seed huh, and not the first the best, no, I am a thai smoker and I collected the best strains availible in amsterdam over 7 years, crossed with pure original Citral. Two universities one in israel and the other in england are working with genetics out of my collection and they have never heard of me.What matters is that they are having progres with plants.Oh ja, and I called back Golden Leaf to earth again.But that's an old succes formula, I cannot give that away. I also refreshed most of the strains in members their gardens.To see what it is, and to multiply the amount of seeds.Yes, all breeded with the toughest selection methods there are.That starts at germinating seeds already, only the best survive.I only use honest and natural ways of keeping the strain in top condition.I start with at least 200 seeds and end up with one male and one female, the ones who are perfect.Compact, bushy, thick stam, thick fingers, dark green, equal tooth, straight finger tips, healthy root systhem, fat production result, and the taste has to be right........that's all we look at ;-) From this "perfect couple" we make cuttings.And these cuttings are going to be the plants that will produce the seeds, and someone else is making some sinsemilla, and than we have seeds for the future and something to smoke.And what is left over from these supplies, that fits on a small wooden board in La Tertulia.(we pay our coffee during meetings over there)I think that: if one is ripping of people for 10 seeds, don't expect QUALITY seeds than, expect a big guy dressed as a bankrobber on the other side, pissing his pants as soon as there has been payed.Positronics used to sell 5 seeds for FL:12,50..= € 5,68 (until June 1997) And only in the Cornelus Trooststraat.Nowhere else.But all the growers had the comfort of the cutting library, at least 12 different strains in cuttings availible 6 days a week. (When we had cleaned out the cutting places we had about 14.000 cuttings in the house and 100 mothers.We have destroyed them all.) So almost no one bought seeds, there where cuttings for years so why even think about growing on seeds? What a surprise it whas that morning when things where different.Some of the customers really said some nasty things to us because we didn't sold cuttings anymore.Another tough guy whas in tears mumbling what must I do without the posi? But anyway from that day they found out that there whas a difference in quality.And than the next in line the coffeeshops saw a big change and than the coffeeshop customers.And now when I search for Positronics on the net I read a lot of mystic stories, even more lies from seedshops that weren't open when positronics closed down, and a mountain of questions from growers who have lost their way.Because if you google for positronics at least 21 different people are making adverts about their Positronics seedbank.But that's the economical world of wannabe's and wannahave's.The original idea behind Positronics was, it whas a lifestyle, to become a member and learn to use weed in a save and positive way.There isn't much left of that idea in the shops of today.

Laters!

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I like the good responce I get for my story.
Suddenly my screen is turning purple ;-)
Thanks guys!

Everyone knows that far before Purple Haze we had Purple Power.
These are often confused in the coffeeshops, or they try to sell you something that sounds alike.Purple Power is the big afghanie strain that is a typical outdoor tree.A big Bushy thing with huge fingers that will give you purple looking buds, the smell is still that typical afghanie puke smell, a bit sour.I would say that the average Purple Power you buy in the amsterdam coffeeshop is a lower quality outdoor/greenhouse weed.Now when the americans came to amsterdam, they had that Haze, and the Dutch knew how to turn plants in an even more attracktive colour....."Purple".And believe me, my teachers are pure hippies, so to have a purple haze whas really cooooooooooool men'!If you look at the haze you see the same stam, leaf, fingers, buds, (more bit's than buds as a matter of fact) the only difference is in the colour.I do not know who exactly made the Haze, all sorts of stories go around amongst the americans, Neville, The Grimm Brothers, Sam the Skunkman, Elvis, and at least 3 more who claim to have made it.(I never join the americans in amsterdam not even in their conversations, they live in their own disneyamsterdam) sweet people, who ever brought it to the positronics doesn't matter to me, they did.Of course the storie came with it that it was the most powerfull plant, so it went into the green productionline and cuttings started coming out of the green department, we used to have several show grow's in the building so we showed the plant in flower.The customers said very disapointed:Is that all?And indeed if you are used to having 20 grams per plant in 8 weeks, than 2 maybe 3 grams per plant is a bit skinny, in 14/16 weeks of flowering.That's what it is...it is next to nothing.The cuttings hardly sold, I believe 200 and that was all.Than we replaced it with an 8 week plant again.A small plant with almost nothing to harvest.But if you put 0,10gram in one joint you will have 4 hours of rollercoasterride to enjoy.(It will not stop)First thing that happens is that you feel your hart beating fast, than the swetty hands, and than the thickest STONED you have ever felt, like mud.Really, don't join traffic or any conversation with this in your head.It's a vegetable ego trip.Really & honestly, you don't want this if you are a normal smoker.A normal joint you can get rid of by eating chocolade, but a joint from Haze is really a different thing.There was only one grower who made Haze for positronics, because he was able and patient enough and that went to medical use.I will not forget that red erik walked out of the green and gave me half a joint without telling me what whas in there, my day was messed up.I believe I have watched the pollinators rolling for the rest of that day.I know the meaning of psychoACTIVE weed.Again let me warn you far before it get's there, Haze is NOT pleasant.Haze is not your everyday plant.You must be stabile if you want to smoke it, because it might have a strong effect on your "wellbeing".And as we all know weed magnifies your mood.Well, Haze effect is like a microscope.The pistills are looking like small crowns,stand up proud and covered with chrystals, they are pink, milky, a blue/purple one in between.It's 15 mm in length, at the max.If you have a bud between your fingers and you press and roll around once, you will see brown black hash between your fingers with a bit of fibers left where pistills are made from, so it looks like dark shit.That's how fat it really is.Now the smell of burning Haze is also terrible, it stinks like a bear has been shitting in your house, a dark bitter smell, you cannot mis it if they smoke it, you will start to search for a bear your self because of this smell.So you get almost nothing, it takes forever, and it stinks like a bear, and it is far too strong to smoke.I thought you all grew for fun ;-)

Connie, what can I say,.....you are warm.And close to the answer yourself.I think if there's anybody who knows a lot, it is you.I bet you have searched your ass of already.I have got them under number 22 in my collection, 417 seeds, creme white from the outside, size 4 mm, and if you break and peal of the skin you will see that the inside is...Purple. The rounding of the seed looks like the head of those white dolphins.Real thick. I am able to read, and if I strawl into a place like the greenhouse or de Dampkring I almost pass out because of the price list.And than it isn't the pure thing.They are showing beautifull big buds.I told you before I realise the value of pure uncrossed material.Handing over seeds is like giving a magic stick to someone, the weight value of Haze is higher than GOLD, do I have your attention?


"If you select out of 2000 plant and keep only the two best ones, isnt there a possibility that some genes are lost which are not appearent on first glance, f. e. resistences? What is the reason that dont you keep like the 10 best ones (of course only if they look alike)? "

I am looking for these two top models only, somebody must train your eyes for that, it is in all living beings that there are good ones and less good ones.It is involving into the natural way of course, but if you want to make better models (and keep them) you must do that.Over and over and over again, and tell the ones after you to do so, don't forget other people have done that for years before us in the same way with all the strains.See what the sudden closedown of positronics caused, positronics strains totally disapeared.Do you know that there isn't pure Californian Orange Bud availible anymore in amsterdam?While it used to be everywhere around 1989.It is a dino now.
Here is a piece of proof that "they" are aware of my originals, uptill now nobody got them in seed.
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California Orange Bud from 'ozric' (Overgrow member)

I was in the Amsterdam shop last Monday....and ozric came by........He was a funny fella......and he had some loverly citrus smelling buds that he was particularly proud of.....since he had grown them himself.......We toked....and talked....and laughed together....


....I was lucky enough to get him to part with some....and now it graces my stash......Thanks ozric!!

......originally from genetics from'Positronic's'.......California Orange Bud....

.....I turned ozric onto some of the kif in the bottom of my stash-box........and he left the shop...looking like he needed to get home and lie down quickly!!.....




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04-14-2002 07:50 PM

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" But what I really would like to do is look over your shoulder and learn (and ask even more questions), "
" Hm, really would like to see some real COB "

So how are you going to learn anything, while I am drinking coffee???
Obviousely you have never watched me drinking ;-)

Listen, if you are invited by the SFA, than you will step behind doors that are unknown to others.
Normally you would visit a few seedshops and coffeeshops, I know a few people who are working behind the curtains.
So I can take you to the pollinator company and to the shop where Mila buys her materials to make pollinators from.
Show you where positronics bought their materials where we made light-boxes from, show you a few places where they
work with plants, in other words you will return as a Sinsemilla Guerilla. If you know the adresses where they have no urge
to mess with their local customers, than you will never look at Amsterdam as before.

" maybe we just can drink a nice coffee together if we are in Adam someday "
Maybe, if, someday?

 

[THC123]

Green dragon = Nederzaad VIII

I corroborated Hans story with wernard via Email and it is Hans who had the collection in his hands. I also sent wernard some of Hans 's strains.

I got lots of those seeds but they are very hard to germ by now.(the old posi ones)

And of course many strains live on in the nederzaad strains.



The cob seedgrow failed , but he managed to cross it to make nederzaad 2007 and it is also present in nederzaad 2008(his last strain before he died)


@ sideshow bob , Hans did know more than enough bout breeding and made some fantastic strains

But hey he can't defend himself cuz he's dead , but the seeds speak for themselves

 

[DocLeaf]

Cool info. all

This is the part of the epic we were previously told...

"He (Wernard) said he had worked for 25 years to get that all together and look what it had delivered him, he said thank you but it is your turn now. The seeds are in good hands. I have got other things to do."

He was as humble as ever...

peace n flowers

 

[THC123]

too bad the original haze dissappeared after Hans's death

 

[JamieShoes]

best thread I read in an age

 

[dubite]

As we understand it Wernard initially closed Positronics following his divorce ,, and subsequently gave his seed lines to the ppl involved with Positronics at the time.

Likewise ANY member of the Semimillia Fan Club had access to all of Wernards clone genetics at the time.

No-one needed to "rip him off" ,, he gave them away for FREE,, so others could continue the work he'd already started

Peace

Hans Aka The Keeper in the OG days had the Posi Black Catalog which has been now passed to someone else. R.I.P. Hans! Also wasn't that teh Skunk Fan Club actually? (ozric big UP for the days you took care of me in Amsterdam)

Anyone have a lead on Golden Leaf by any chance??