poor man's coco run

[Cmoon]

Shes just the standard m8, I think its about 5 years and nothing like the squatter varieties, very thai, triple stretch on powered hydro but i manage to keep her about double on dripped or handwatered cocco.


plants looking pucka, what will be full bloom wattage?


some good stuff here i tripped over
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=256690

 

[whitebox]

Shes just the standard m8, I think its about 5 years and nothing like the squatter varieties, very thai, triple stretch on powered hydro but i manage to keep her about double on dripped or handwatered cocco.


plants looking pucka, what will be full bloom wattage?


some good stuff here i tripped over
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=256690

hi Man
that what i thought, a friend of mine have this also i think, bought in 2016, very big stretch....he runs it by clone since and we often share a couple oz of each personal stash.
great producer.
for the wattage nothing more than a phillips master SonT+ 600w.
i just use the hlg board in veg with a 400w MH.
during the flo i use it to check plant color few minutes daily.
growth surface is only3x3 and i have enough with 300/400g for roughly 4 months of large good free smoke.
i plan to build a small veg/clone space this year to be really independant from any seed supply.
cheers C.
thanx for your nice comment

 

[whitebox]

thanx,that'sfun,i read it already,few days ago,

 

[whitebox]

i'm looking for the squat NL shape, short and thick.
many folks says that the "atomic" NL version is very nice and not too stretchy, maybe i'll have to try this one

 

[Cmoon]

i'm looking for the squat NL shape, short and thick.
many folks says that the "atomic" NL version is very nice and not too stretchy, maybe i'll have to try this one

Im sure nivani did a good one back in day and cheap but iv also come across that atomic, always a banker in the cupboard if the smoke suits


never had any problems with a son-t

 

[whitebox]

Im sure nivani did a good one back in day and cheap but iv also come across that atomic, always a banker in the cupboard if the smoke suits


never had any problems with a son-t

thanx CMoon,
i think i'll go for the atomic NL thing, many time experienced people says good things about it, i should trust and do my best in selecting a pheno that fits my expectations with stretch yield and high...
not yet done !!!
i think about it tho
i love philips hps bulbs since the day i tried a master son T.
i use to grow the whole crop with just one 600w germ to harvest few years before and it works very nice.
even on some super squat and short fat strains it can help for the larger internode to build up (don't do that with a tall stretchy strain for sure).
i keep mine never longer than 3 runs roughly a year long on 12/12 schedule
superb bulbs.
cheers Cmoon and congrats for your 2008 journal,
i have one also from 2009.
nice day C.

 

[whitebox]

no pics today, i'm lazy.
see ya tomorow

 

[xavier7995]

Like the grow man, am budget conscious myself. I used to do something pretty similar to f-e when I used larger pots, just grab a big knife and cut a 4 inch or so circle around the base of the plant and pull it out by the stalk, then drop the new plant in and water well. I also go with hydrogen peroxide (before adding the new plant) to sort of disinfect anything if the mood suits me.

 

[whitebox]

Like the grow man, am budget conscious myself. I used to do something pretty similar to f-e when I used larger pots, just grab a big knife and cut a 4 inch or so circle around the base of the plant and pull it out by the stalk, then drop the new plant in and water well. I also go with hydrogen peroxide (before adding the new plant) to sort of disinfect anything if the mood suits me.

hi Xav, thanx for your comment and to pop-in,
i'm interested in your technique to repot plant in an ancient coco container. seems so simple, i like it !!!
could you please tell me the H2O2/water ratio?
i usualy use it to fight slime in hydro tanks when i did a bit of hydro in the past but that's all.
and also how long do you let it sit with the H2O2 solution before replanting new clone/seedling is ok?
i guess you water the coco with light feeding Phed solution just after the H2O2 action is complete.
sorry for these many questions in a row but i'm always after simpliest effective techniques like this one.
thanx again Xavier.
have a nice green day.
WB.

 

[ridoo]

Hi Whitebox
h2o2 comes in different % concentration
mine is 33%, but i know there are some bottles around 10% and others around 3%

and for exemple at 33% i'll use only 0,33 ml / L of watering solution

H2o2 can be useful if you guess any potential trouble in the containers, but is not a necessity before next run even in reuse coco

personnaly i reuse my coco after flushing with a very light (1ml canna coco, ph around 5.80) watering solution and little more enzymes, enzymes are useful to break and eat the remaining roots inside the containers

don't mix h2o2 and enzymes in same watering, h2o2 will destroy the enzymes immediately

h2o2 action is immediate and short after watering, it dissolve very fast once mixed in water, so, look at %, dose it, water with it very short after mixing, in the container it will be active but not long, it doesn't stay in coco, it doesn't build salts or whatever

always put the h2o2 last in your watering solution, after nutrients and ph down, when you solution is perfect and ready u put the right dose of h2o2 then you water next seconds, because as soon as it mix in your bottle it dissolve very fast.... if u wait to long nothing will remain...

 

[whitebox]

Hi Whitebox
h2o2 comes in different % concentration
mine is 33%, but i know there are some bottles around 10% and others around 3%

and for exemple at 33% i'll use only 0,33 ml / L of watering solution

H2o2 can be useful if you guess any potential trouble in the containers, but is not a necessity before next run even in reuse coco

personnaly i reuse my coco after flushing with a very light (1ml canna coco, ph around 5.80) watering solution and little more enzymes, enzymes are useful to break and eat the remaining roots inside the containers

don't mix h2o2 and enzymes in same watering, h2o2 will destroy the enzymes immediately

h2o2 action is immediate and short after watering, it dissolve very fast once mixed in water, so, look at %, dose it, water with it very short after mixing, in the container it will be active but not long, it doesn't stay in coco, it doesn't build salts or whatever

always put the h2o2 last in your watering solution, after nutrients and ph down, when you solution is perfect and ready u put the right dose of h2o2 then you water next seconds, because as soon as it mix in your bottle it dissolve very fast.... if u wait to long nothing will remain...

Hi Ridoo,
thanx to stop here.
i've used the 33% oxyboost years ago in hydro rez , mostly in summer due to a lack of O2 disolution in high temps water/feed mixes.
then to be sure i always add Oxy in my rez during late spring and whole summer months when grown indoor.
never used it for anything else except for a few "slimy" episode in rez, summer also...
so i'll try it in coco if i think something nasty happen inside coco containers.
so for the 33% stuff it's roughly 1ml per 3 liters or 1.33ml per gal right?
thanks very much Ridoo for your kind enlightment and explenations.
i take note.
cheers.
WB.

 

[xavier7995]

What ridoo said

Between plantings I go a bit heavier on the h2o2, the stuff I get is 3% and I put about 1/3 to a half liter (I think the bottle is close to a liter in size) into two gallons of water. It isnt really exact or precise. The h2o2 breaks down pretty quickly so I would just go as concentrated as you think appropriate, it breaks down to hydrogen and oxygen so once done reacting there isnt any residual harm that can come to your plants.

Basically I water heavily with the h2o2 mix to fully saturate the medium and then let it sit for a few hours. Then water with a light nute solution and remove that root ball. Drop in new plant and water again with light nute solution and sort of push the medium in to fill any gaps around where you put in the new plant.

Super easy to flip a grow with this. Chop your plants, apply h2o2 if desired, give it a decent watering to try and wash anything out that may have accumulated, cut hole around base of remaining plant stem and pull it out, drop in new plant and fill any gaps, water with some nutes, off you go.

 

[ridoo]

Hello Whitebox,
this dillution of 0.33 / L i used while plants were growing, this is a safety dose

i guess u can go little higher if use for cleaning the container like 0.50 or even more if you fear some biohazard from outer space lol dunno but the 33% hydroperox is a strong thing

i know u already use before but for others : be always careful with that product, read infos about before use, use with clean tools, be careful about eye drop, splashing drops and so on... don't do it in darkness half stone and not seeing what u do... no jokes

 

[whitebox]

What ridoo said

Between plantings I go a bit heavier on the h2o2, the stuff I get is 3% and I put about 1/3 to a half liter (I think the bottle is close to a liter in size) into two gallons of water. It isnt really exact or precise. The h2o2 breaks down pretty quickly so I would just go as concentrated as you think appropriate, it breaks down to hydrogen and oxygen so once done reacting there isnt any residual harm that can come to your plants.

Basically I water heavily with the h2o2 mix to fully saturate the medium and then let it sit for a few hours. Then water with a light nute solution and remove that root ball. Drop in new plant and water again with light nute solution and sort of push the medium in to fill any gaps around where you put in the new plant.

Super easy to flip a grow with this. Chop your plants, apply h2o2 if desired, give it a decent watering to try and wash anything out that may have accumulated, cut hole around base of remaining plant stem and pull it out, drop in new plant and fill any gaps, water with some nutes, off you go.

THANX Xav, i get it and think i'll cut the enzymes cost short as soon as i'll try this !!!
very nice and easy.
cheers Bro'.

 

[whitebox]

Hello Whitebox,
this dillution of 0.33 / L i used while plants were growing, this is a safety dose

i guess u can go little higher if use for cleaning the container like 0.50 or even more if you fear some biohazard from outer space lol dunno but the 33% hydroperox is a strong thing

i know u already use before but for others : be always careful with that product, read infos about before use, use with clean tools, be careful about eye drop, splashing drops and so on... don't do it in darkness half stone and not seeing what u do... no jokes

you're right i'll try with .50 or .75ml/ltr for the "before transplant thing"
i've read also people spraying a h2o2 solution against plant pests.
on plant and medium...
and yes the oxy-boost i've used is a real lethal weapon, never fall a drop of that shit on you or your shoes or it would imediately turn into an unplaned piercing, no joke.

 

[whitebox]

today's group pic

today's group pic

hi growers,
first thanx to every nice people who stopped here and give advices, it is very nice and i appreciate to have all this knowledge around me, nice atmosphere i must say.
and now the pic (not crazy yet...) of today.
we can see that the stretch is really there but i guess will not be huge on the 4 unknown, more stretch than for the 2 OgxCi but not lot much .
everybody got nice hairs, i wish no hermies will appears...

cheers

 

[xavier7995]

Yeah, dont go as high as I mentioned on living plants or they will...uh, probably not be living long. I do use it with living plants if I have concerns, just at a much lower concentration.

 

[whitebox]

Yeah, dont go as high as I mentioned on living plants or they will...uh, probably not be living long. I do use it with living plants if I have concerns, just at a much lower concentration.

yes thanx, no worries.

 

[whitebox]

hi Growers,i wish you all have a nice and funny day.
today i've change the nute ratio, it was 2 grow 1 bloom until now and now for pre-flower i give them a ratio of 1.5 grow and 1 bloom, i'm still at around ec 1.4 to 1.6, i give them enough volume to give 20/30% run off wich comes out at ec 0.9 and on some plant come at 0.75 !!! i've never flush yet.
i guess they're eating more then well.
they are turning huge and i was sure to have at least a couple males, so now 6 plants even in small 9 liters pots is a bit too much in that 3x3 thing!!!
but don't take me wrong i'm not complaining
so, tomorrow i'll take a pic at 1 week flow so we can compare with the day 1 flow group view.
have a nice day Friends.

 

[whitebox]

hi, i wish you all have a nice green day !!!
today a few pics of the girls nicely stretching.
stretch is looking to be moderate on the 4 unknown.
i think i'll wait until flower sites trully appears to change the food ratio to a full bloom solution.
pics:


the last is the weird "leaf-on-leaf" thing.
Cheers friends.