Poll: When do you start day 1 flower? 12/12 or first pistil?

[funk_buddha]

There's no question in my book. Indoors its the flip, outdoors its the day of the month you chop with the obvious consideration of latitude.

Ripeness is determined by you, so you have to be precise when you talk about how long you let them go for if you expect anybody to be able to guage anything by your results.

If its 55 days, its not 55 days "plus two weeks to be sure its flowering". Ripening time is a selling point. Even so, I'm sure you can find all kinds of examples of advertised flowering times being spot on.

At the very least we have to compromise by stating specifically what we mean every time.

 

[smokeymacpot]

There's no question in my book. Indoors its the flip, outdoors its the day of the month you chop with the obvious consideration of latitude.

Ripeness is determined by you, so you have to be precise when you talk about how long you let them go for if you expect anybody to be able to guage anything by your results.

If its 55 days, its not 55 days "plus two weeks to be sure its flowering". Ripening time is a selling point. Even so, I'm sure you can find all kinds of examples of advertised flowering times being spot on.

At the very least we have to compromise by stating specifically what we mean every time.

the stated times on the packs do not match how they actually do, ive found they need longer, which happen to be about 2 weeks more, the same 2weeks which you counted when you shouldnt. :/

 

[dongle69]

I have found the seed companies' suggestions line up perfectly by counting from day 1 of 12/12.
Some of the "seedier" companies may try to scam you, though...

 

[kallenavndk]

Damn many peeps count from day 1 in 12/12 hehe i will just ask peeps how long did you have it under 12/12 then because its wrong to call it in flower because it aint from day one in 12/12 ,but if it works 4 them its alright whit me i just think i will ask diffrent in the future....

 

[Hermit43]

The answer is so arbitrary it tells its own story.
In the interest of sharing info. , this would be a major step if realized by all.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

that 10-14day period is when its starting to flower.

I have a Skunk#1 that flowers in 4 days. If the first 2 are dark. If I just switch to 12/12 it takes about 8 days.

Flowering starts from day you switch 12/12. You're going to get different finish times than what the breeder posted no matter what you do. Unless you have the exact same growing conditions they do.

It's why we take clones. To ensure uniformity that you don't get while growing from seed. (Except really really stable lines of seed, and even then you get a bit of variation)

 

[purplepassion]

Growing 12/12 from seed will show u there is still around 10- 14 days after showing sex so thats when i start the flowering count you are robbing yourself if you start any earlier

 

[smokeymacpot]

I have a Skunk#1 that flowers in 4 days. If the first 2 are dark. If I just switch to 12/12 it takes about 8 days.

Flowering starts from day you switch 12/12. You're going to get different finish times than what the breeder posted no matter what you do. Unless you have the exact same growing conditions they do.

It's why we take clones. To ensure uniformity that you don't get while growing from seed. (Except really really stable lines of seed, and even then you get a bit of variation)

clones can usually kick into budding a few days earlier, but you still get that 1-2 week transition phase.
after 8days im sure there are many pistils, but they will probably look like this:
which is still just a few hairs tbh another 4 or 5days and its a bud, not leaves with a few hairs poking out

 

[jamrockjay]

Very controversial thread going on here..

Heres my 2cents worth for what its worth.

On all my previous grows i have counted day 1 of flower from when i flip lights over to 12/12 (rightly or wrongly) but i always went about 10days over what the breeder specified as flowering time. To give u a example my last grow was female seeds grapefruit and they took 1 day short of 10weeks to finish when on the packet it stated 8weeks, so by looking at this im assuming that like some people have already stated when u flip ur lights ur plans 1st over go a transition phase from veg to flower and this accounts for the extra flowering times we get from what the breeders tell us.

Maybe there is a breeder or 2 about who could shed some light on this matter for us and hopefully clear this up for us (hint hint breeders) lol.

I suppose a factor to consider tho aswell is the maturity of ur plants, but thats another matter.
I guess the only way to truly know when ur girls are ready is to keep checkin those trichs, i have always chopped down this way and i never had any complaints.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

clones can usually kick into budding a few days earlier, but you still get that 1-2 week transition phase.
after 8days im sure there are many pistils, but they will probably look like this:
which is still just a few hairs tbh another 4 or 5days and its a bud, not leaves with a few hairs poking out

Actually, it kicks out a few hairs on day 4 and looks like a bud by day 8. (Lots of hair with noticeable swelling) Picked it up from a dispensary in Cali. Awesome so far. Hardy, fast growing and large buds.
Again, if I just switch straight to 12/12 she takes a loooooot longer.

 

[theweedman420]

I defiantly dont count day 1 of 12/12 day one of flower

 

[fizz]

There's no need to be defiant weedman, however, I do admire your passion.

Day 1 = The first full day of a 12/12 cycle for me. I then simply label and date each unique seed #1, #2, and so on according to when each shows sex.

 

[Floridian]

I veg my plants until sexual maturity and showing sex,then I count the transition to 12/12 as day one.Ultimately I almost always end up flowering most indicas a bit longer than the suggested 50 or 60 days.I only start 12/12 as day one to have an idea where I'm at,it's pretty easy to judge maturity by trichomes so the actual flowering time given is just a reference

 

[Satyros]

If it pertains specifically to indoor, instead of "flowering", it ought to be called "reduced light cycle" or something like that. Then if you have a plant that does it four days after the flip, yeah you could legitimately call that "fast flowering indoors".

Otherwise, I use the term to mean literally the appearance of pistils, regardless of a plant's age or what conditions it is in.

 

[Floridian]

The appearance of pistils or male parts doesn't indicate flowering at all it just means the plant has become sexually mature.The problem with this whole argument is I've seen time after time people change their photoperiod long before sexual maturity,I've seen people flip at just a few weeks long maturity,so of course their 12/12 photoperiod is going to be extended compared to if the plants were sexually mature.I'm pretty sure when a breeder gives an estimated flowering period they mean the plant should be sexually mature before changing light cycles and start the flowering count from there.None of this means anything when people start 12/12 with cuttings or people that change to 12/12 early for height reasons or other issues

 

[moose eater]

I suspect that the subjective nature or definition of this question could have human beings doing what they do best (disagreeing) for a long while. Humorous.

For me, the first day of 12/12 defines the beginning of flowering; the clock has been set to trigger photo-period-reactive plants to 'do the do.'

For auto-flowering/ruteralis type plants, the reaching of the second or third internode initiates the flowering period.

The number of days on a breeder's pack indicates the average THAT breeder experienced (*That's my understanding). Type of environment, with all of those variables, stability of the plant's genetics, and more, will/can all affect whether or not that plant will behave the same as it did for the source/breeder.

Even the perception of when a plant is 'ripe' will involve some degree of variance in opinion, and could explain as much as several weeks from one person's opinion to another's.

But I can both appreciate AND find humorous the degree of conflict expressed in some of the posts herein.

Carry on!! ;^>)

 

[fizz]

Such a good point, Floridian. Plus its so much less complicated to just say 'I started flower on 00/00' rather than keep track of every individual plant's flowering cycle based on when it showed sex, especially if you toss males.. that's just a lot of extra work and labeling.

 

[theweedman420]

When you flip to 12 12 plant is not in flower just like that.. Shit takes a fue days. When you see buds witch takes anywhere from 10 to 15 days start counting... If you count from 12 12 bet you it will take 9 or 10 weeks to finish flowering.........

 

[theweedman420]

93 people have unripened buds...

 

[moose eater]

No.... Some of us let the buds tell us when they're ripe.. not the ink on the package.

93 people have unripened buds...