Please I need help my plants!

[Green Tucan]

Ok well my plants seem to be having a few problems and I have no idea how to fix them. Here is some general info on my plants... as of today they are 50 days old in vegging... (should i be able to tell sex soon or not for sure until I flower?) and they have been under 24/0 light schedule under a mh and the last week i turned on my 400w hps also with the mh and I plan on going to 12/12 very very soon like the next day or so. They are 12-14" tall in about a 1 gallon container with "Pro-Mix HP soiless mix" and this whole time ive been using store bought mineral water. Also my temps range from 76-81 and hits 90 sometimes.Anyways now on to my plant problems. One of the first problems that worry me the most is the way alot of my plants leaves are growing spiny and twirly and the color of the leaves are changing also in the plants that have it worse. Here is a plant that has the baddest symptom of the spiny twisty leaves


And alot of my other plants have it also and some of them are turning yellow at the top also such as..



Also on one of them the lower fan leaves turns yellow also

So I am starting to think I have a ph problem and I am scared becase were I live none of the gardening stores sell ph meters... I have a ph meter for the pool but I dont think its very accurate. Also I have no idea were i can buy stuff to lower/raise ph of the soil as the gardening stores here sell no dolomite lime or ph up or down. I heard vinegar and stuff like that can raise or lower ph.. if so how? do i add vinegar in water and water my plants with it? if so how much vinegar? Also when i try to measure the ph of my run off water i cant becuase the water comes out sorta brown so i cant tell what color for sure the ph tester is telling me. I kno were to get some ph test strips for the pool so I am going to try those next. Also I am going to be transplanting into bigger pots tommarow... could this fix my ph problem?

Anyways I have another problewm which recently came about 3 days ago. Alot of my leaves are drooping... I really dont know why. At first i thought i was under watering so i watered some more and they got better but they started to droop again and so i watered them again but this time the droopiness is still there. Can anything other than over watering/underwatering cause droopiness? Here are some pics







Also alot of my lower fan leaves seem to have problems as well... I am not sure how to fix it or if its just normal or not but take a look





(p.s also at first i was using this fertilizer that was 7.5.6 with micronutrients and liquid manure but I switches to half str of DNF grow formula for seedlings and cuttings latley... on the dnf it says to fertilize every other watering.... and the 7.5.6 i was doing once a week at 1/4 str and this dnf i am using half str once so far.... do i give them nutrients next time i water or do i give the dnf only once a week at half even tho the bottle says every other watering)

Anyways please try to give me all the help you can. I really would appreciate it if you could. Please help me and help me not let my plants die. Thc bless u all.

 

[Blackvelvet]

Looks like micronutrient problems...

Transplant into larger containers.

Plants will do better with 18/6 rather than 24/0 lighting when using mh or hps

Try to fertilize weakly with every watering. Make sure to thoroughly soak the soil mix and get runoff out the bottom. Adjust the fert water ph after adding everything to 5.8 to 6 before applying to the plants. Vinegar can be used as a ph down in a "pinch".

How to test soil mix ph: After watering/ferting well till runoff and the mix is completely wet, wait 1 hour. Then apply some distilled water to the pot till you get about 1 ounce of runoff and no more. Catch on a plate or saucer. Test this ph. Good ph in promix is 5.6 to 6.2



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[HeadyPete]

The first thing you can do to give your plants a chance is avoid blackvelvet's advice like the plague, then wait for an actual grower here to give some help.....micronutrients is his wrong stab at every problem....just search his past posts and read for yourself. Driveby posting loser....

Do not drop your soil ph to 6, that is too low and blackposer confuses it with hydro ph, which is 5.8. Your soil runoff needs to measure at 6.8-6.6. Your twisty leaves are a sure sign of ph problems.

Looks like lots of issues that I can't get into right now cuz of time but those last photos look like fert burn so don't add anymore ferts until we can discover the problem. If your ph is out, nutrients get locked and mimic lack of nutrients. When you add more to the soil, the plant can't use them still, but gets burned from the high concentration of ferts in the soil.

Flush all your plants with plain ph 6.8 water. Use your pool test kit and vinegar sparingly (assuming your water is high), but fulvic acid or even phosphoric acid makes a better ph down, if you even need down. Collect the runoff and test this ph. Let me know what it is and we will then go from there.

Let me look through your info when I can and get back to you.

Take care.

 

[HuffAndPuff]

Green Tucan-

From what I can tell from the photos, this looks like a clear cut case of a Zinc deficiency. The bottom two photos show fert-burn. I am guessing that you have created a nutrient lockout situation for your plants, possibly brought on by an imbalanced pH, or more likely, due to over fertilizing.

Zinc deficiencies appear as chlorosis in the inter-veinal areas of new leaves producing a banding appearance which may accompany reduction of leaf size and a shortening between internodes. Leaf margins are often distorted or wrinkled. Branch terminals of fruit will die back in severe cases.

Zinc can also become locked out due to high pH. Zn, Fe, and Mn deficiencies often occur together, and are usually from a high pH. Don't overdo the micro-nutrients- lower the pH if that's the problem so the nutrients become available.

I would leech the soil out, water using at least 3x the volume of soil. ie: 1 gallon of soil gets flushed with 3 gallons of water. When you have done this, water with a very mild nutrient solution. I am assuming that the reason the plants are wilting is from some combination of over/under watering and from the nute issues.

Hope this helps,
Stay Safe,
HuffAndPuff

[EDIT: Heady Pete, ya beat me to it! I figure 'tween the two of us, he's got a place to start]

 

[Green Tucan]

so what should i do now? Flush my plants?... now I watered yesterday and the soil is still a bit moist... would flushing them be ok now? or should i wait till the soil drys out. I am scared I am gonna over water them since the leaves are drooping already. Also keep in mind my soil does have a ph balance in it with dolomitic lime or sumtin.. so should i transplant anytime soon? Like right now? and could fresh soil fix the ph problem? just wondering.. Also i have this ph down for fresh water for aquariums.. could that be ok to use for my water? Also how long should i hold off on ferts for because its that time of week were i give them ferts but with this ph problem i am really lost now because it threw off my feeding cycle as i heard its bad to give fertz with a ph problem. but so far i am gonna do what huff and puff said. I am gonna leech out my soil and water with a mild nutrient solution. I just need to know if i should worry about over watering or not b4 i do that and would leeching fix the ph problem since i am going to be adding a mild nutrient formula after i get done leeching?. Anyways thanks so much for your help so far guys i need all of it i can get.

 

[Blackvelvet]

Do not drop your soil ph to 6, that is too low and blackposer confuses it with hydro ph, which is 5.8. Your soil runoff needs to measure at 6.8-6.6.

Wrong. He's growing in soilless promix.

 

[greengnome]

correct me if I am wrong, looks a little over watered also, at first I thought that was not enough water, but they look flooded, ph problem, and a little over ferting, but that could be cause your letting the fert water hit the foliage, maybe get a handle on making sure your fert water hits only dirt and try not to splash on leaves or, wash leaves with non-food water after ferting.

I have great results with food, then one hour latter I always drop water, and seems to have smooth ride, but then again everyone is different, someone told me not to water every day, and due to the soil i grow in I must, even missing one day puts mine to stress, different medium different strokes.

best of luck buddy, hope you get this sorted out.

 

[HeadyPete]

Wrong. He's growing in soilless promix.

Well he's already done more than you, spliff kiddie.

Everyone knows your shit is weak, poser.

My plants are green and healthy at 6.8, your plants?.......

 

[HeadyPete]

greengnome, perhaps your pots are too small and your plants are rootbound if you need to water everyday. The idea is to let the pot dry some in between waterings, whatever that takes.

If you lift your pots after water, note the weight. After a day or two those pots will be lighter. Wait till your plants start to show they are thirsty, take note of the weight of the pot, now you know when to water.

 

[HeadyPete]

Here's the chart, decide for yourself:

At 6.8 all nutrients are best available. If you lower then you can see declining amounts of P, moly, calcium and magnesium. Cal and mag are the 2 that def first., plus most strains are pigs for cal and mag.

Of course if you never grew a MJ plant, you wouldn't be aware of this.

 

[B.C.]

Hang in there...

Hang in there...

They look rootbound ta me.50 days ina 1 gal pot,I'm sure there rootbound.Let'em dry out and flush the crap outa of em (get rid of the salts),it wont take but a day er two ta dry back out.When they're about half way dried back out transplant,addin some ferts then.Chances are the ph is low right now cuz what ever lime was put in by Pro-Mix is gone now.Since petemoss is low in ph that's where it's gonna be not ta mention the salts thats built up.Oh and try ta keep the temps out of the 90's! That very important! They don't like ta feed when it's too hot it's like lockout all on it's own. It's very hard ta bring em back from heat stress once the damage has been done.I think yer gonna be fine tho,there still in veg.Well man, I'm sure this will help,but good luck anyway.Keep us posted please,so others may learn from this.Take care...BC

 

[Guest]

Yep there is like 10 things wrong with those plants they are heavily stressed.Salts are bad if you use them the plants soil must be flushed on a regular basis. No one thing is causing these problems ie rootbound, heat,salt,phosphorous def.......

 

[Green Tucan]

ok well i just flushed them all... not sure if i used enuf water for the flush but well see. And after I got done flushing it I added some ferts like just a lil under 1/2 str of my chemical fertilizer which is 7.5.6 (w liquid manure as it says on fert bottle) and put keeping them on 24/0 for 1 more day then I switching to 12/12. ALso please some one answer this as tommarow is a day I will be switching to 12/12 and I need clones for my next grow... so is it ok to take 2 clones from each plant I have tommarow? Or not? Also how long after i start 12/12 until i can properly identify all the males? Also usuing a pond ph tester it came out to about any where from 6.6 to 6.9 from run off with the ferts after the flush. But those numbers seem correct... is my pond ph tester correct or wrong? its confusing. thanks so much for ur help so far guys.

 

[Rastanfisk]

At first I haven't read any thing But I can skip too tha last person !!!
You OWER Fe rt and OwER watering your plants easy on the Mix It´s Hot ... And give it some Fe rt and you get plant´s like that .....
Like you have done Flush and let it dry out "Almost" Let your soil get clear water ...... My plant´s in soil ..PH In VEG 6,5-6,8 and flo 6,2-6.8 very hard to get the run of on flowering PH !! In my grow ..
Good luck and stay WeeDy and let it grow green

 

[HuffAndPuff]

If the meter is right, then the ph is fine. If you're flipping to 12/12 then you should up pot them, and this will help alleviate the rootbound concern. If this is your first time cloning, I would def. suggest taking a lot more than 2 clones from each plant.

A lot of people have a tough time learning to clone, and it takes them a while to get their success rate up. I would say 25% taking root is a possibility. If it is your first time, and you get 100% then it's beginners luck.

The fertilizer is good for vegetative growth, but for bloom you are going to want something with less N and higher P/K. If you do up-pot, then I would suggest using some bone meal, and try sourcing some guano. Google it, and you'll find that there are a variety of them, with different ratios. Check them out, and then top dress with it. If you have to go with chems, then don't go heavy, and make sure the numbers arent like 15-40-60 or something nuts like that. Some bud boosters are up there, but at this point in the game, I would say it's better to work out the kinks now, and focus on improving yield through additives later on. Molasses is also a great additive, the raw deal type. Some people say a tablespoon per gallon, others like to saturate. I'll saturate for a few waterings in mid flower, but not for long because the bugs like it.

You might want to re-pot, and let the guys settle for a few days before flipping the lights over, just something to think about. If they are still getting used to their new digs, they devote X amount of energy to that, and recouperating from the transplant. Putting them into flower at the same time, with all of the flushings and whatnot, might be a bit more stress than they could use.

You're paying your dues now, my friend. We do not learn from success, we learn from mistakes, so enjoy what is a very valuable learning experience, however frustrating it gets. Glad to know we helped.

Stay Safe
HuffAndPuff

 

[Ramblingambler]

rude

rude

i dont know blackvelvet or heady pete but heady pete that was really harsh and rude things to say to blackvelvet. Wheres the peace and love if you dont have that u shouldnt be growing or smoking weed.

 

[HuffAndPuff]

pssst.... I dunno what it's about either, but it's between the two of them, and it's prolly best if they kept it out of a thread (at least with that tone). That said, there's no sense in acknowledging that stuff and giving them more of an opportunity to get into it, especially when they seem to have settled down. Just ignore them, and let people form their own opinions of everyone involved.

And not to pick an argument, but all kinds of people smoke and grow weed. I believe the right to grow a plant is as inalienable as any other right. As people who have intolerance stuffed down their throats, we need to be tolerant of everything. Even intolerance. Obviously not rape and stuff, you point-missing flamers. If you want, post our last two posts in the den and we'll continue it there. We'll try to keep this little thread helpful and informative.

HuffAndPuff

 

[Green Tucan]

Does weed need all the micronutrients? I notticed my fertilizer is lacking sulfur and some other stuff. I cant find any other fertz that have more micro nutrients. Anyways I bought a digital ph meter. So how exactly do i fix my poor lil dying plants? I did a flush 7 days ago with out ph correcting the water (i havent ph corrected my water the whole grow). So in order to fix ph I need to first ph correct my water then flush 3x the amount of soil or do i just flush until the run off water reads the correct numbers? Since I flushed last week will it be ok to flush again tommarow? so I can do all the ph stuff correctly. Also does any one know if DNF gro A n B has micro nutrients in it or does the micronutrients come seperate? I put my babies into flowering today and just wondering how much longer do i have in order to take clones b4 its not possible to take clones any more. Alot of my stems are purplish and I thought it would be a bad idea to take cuttings with purple stems. Or are purple stems normal? Also can some one reccomend a good flowering fertilizer that can be bought of the internet for me for a soiless grow? Anyways thanks or your help guys and please keep helping. Oh and also I can also get a fertilizer thats only for foliar feedings and it contains more micro nutrients than my current fertilizer ( I am not using the DNF because im not sure if it contains any micronutrients at all im using some fertilizer thats 7.5.6 with couple micro nutrients in it and liquid manure) So can i foliar feed with this other fertilizer i can get to make up for my missing micro nutrients or will the combination of my fertilizer that goes in the soil + foliar feed can burn my plants?

 

[sativalicious]

GreenTucan,

I would consider taking the advice to leech the medium with pH-corrected water in the 5.8-6 neighborhood, based on the images you posted. One potential remedy is to use pH-corrected water with one additive resulting in a 100 ppm solution of kelp-based nutritional supplement. e.g. the Maxicrop liquid seaweed, or better, the similarly named product with iron. IMHO, this looks to be primarily a pH problem first. A few days later, one can assess nutritional issues after whatever lockup is occurring subsides.

Good luck!

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Post your suggestion and allow the reader to decide for themselves. The reader can play "who's a fraud?" at home. Even better yet, ask some questions first. Claiming to protect the interests of the O.P. or other readers may not be necessary. And it may make one's posts look less motivated by ego, too.

Peace.

 

[Green Tucan]

ok so its no problem at all to do another leech? even tho i leeched last week (with wrong phed water) Im scared of over watering