Pine Tar Kush lineage

[The Slickster]

The Pine Tar Kush is a Pakistani IBL. It would be interesting to experience its' full blooded Indica heritage through this work. Whether it was intense heat or geographical climate, these leaves are thick and dark green. But not immediately huge like the Deep Chunk, but not too far off either. Perhaps this is due to the fact that the old pure Indicas in these regions had alot to stand up to externally.

So the Pine Tar Kush is stated as a relatively unworked Pakistani IBL.

Then the Deep Chunk I believe is stated to be a heavily worked Afghani IBL.

What attributes would the work and unworked part carry?

Then the Pine Tar Kush, may be a more recent aquisition from Pakistani or an old saved Pakistani line. That is the question, is PTK from older lines or newer? As stated the Hindu Kush area. Like Pakistani Kush with pine and tar overtones.

Noticed normally the available Hindu Kush offerings are not necessarily carrying the characteristics of pine and or tar in them. So an old Hindu Kush mountains Pakistani hybrid IBL. Perhaps even a Pakistani with a special Hindu Kush Mountainous stock worked into it. Hope that is not too off for taking a guess as I have no history on it.

 

[Guest]

"Pine Tar Kush"- A relatively unworked Pakistani inbred line.

Lime green pine/skunk, one of my heavier yielding pure indicas.
A very nice smoke of average potency with a rich flavor & chatty
high. Some folk say it taste just like juicy fruit gum. Outdoors
it finishes the second week of October, indoors about 60 days.


tom hill

 

[zamalito]

Like mr hill said its a 100% pakistani landrace from the hindu kush mtns. Hashberry is a hybrid and imo not as suitable for breeding. I've never heard it referred to as 80% indica. I guess it really depends on your definition. Pakistan does have landrace indicas and sativas so it could be an old hybrid landrace.

 

[Raco]

Two PTK cuttings day 7 of 12/12 :smile:




2 DC and 2 PTK cuttings:

 

[Guest]

It always amazes me how many different strains(ok..maybe cuttings) come out of this region. g-13 is evidently derived from afghani, then we have generic afghani, deep chunk, hindu kush, pine tar kush, (supposedly) 100% cali indicas, the list goes on. Makes me wonder if any of these are completely 100% afghani/pakistani when it comes down to it. Not doubting the pine tar kush description you guys gave..just makes me scratch the my noodle a little.

 

[zamalito]

You should read the posts of mriko there really is a huge genetic diversity and an ancient history of drug cannabis cultivation along with a very diverse array of microclimates in the himalayas north india, pakistan and afghanistan. This is also the birthplace of the cannabis species so at least at some point every gene in the cannabis genepool was present in this region except for mutations that occured after its migrations.

 

[Guest]

Never thought of the microclimates being the cause of it. Good point.

 

[Raco]

Like mr hill said its a 100% pakistani landrace from the hindu kush mtns. Hashberry is a hybrid and imo not as suitable for breeding. I've never heard it referred to as 80% indica. I guess it really depends on your definition. Pakistan does have landrace indicas and sativas so it could be an old hybrid landrace.

Well,after I saw the Cloneman´s PTK hybrids grown by Bonecarver OG,and those by a couple oldtimers friends of mine,I´d say that the PTK has a great value for hybridization.I have one PTK keeper for the last 2 years+.....it was love at first sight when seedling,and love at the first toke when I sampled her

 

[Raco]

Another pure paki,the X-18.It comes from the same old man that passed the DC onto TomHill.This is my favorite cutting of the last 3 years

 

[The Slickster]

Wow...do you find the X-18 to be a full on Indica stone Raco? Is it 100% Indica like the Pine Tar Kush and DC? Your PTK keeper looks to have large the large leaf structure as the Deep Chunk. Did the leaves stay that wide and fat, or did they thin up like your previous pics' cuts at flowering? What is the smoke like, is different on that PTK keeper than the reg or other PTK's? How about the X-18? Any similarities between any of the three? Perhaps between the X-18 and the PTK? Only asking as they are both Pakistani works. Do all or most of the works carried on by Tom Hill come from the old man? Like PTK?

 

[Guest423]

nice...i love the look of that fat leaved indica....is she slow in veg? i bet them big fatty leaves block alot of light going to the shoots.

 

[Raco]

The Slickster,
That´s a lot of Q´s lol!
I´ll try to answer as most as possible...

"What attributes would the work and unworked part carry?"
I don´t have much experience,but I think that the DC is more uniform,that is,the plants are more similar in appearance,smell and taste.Anyways,I have yet to find one DC or PTK that I wouldn´t want to smoke (down to the stems )

"Then the Pine Tar Kush, may be a more recent aquisition from Pakistani or an old saved Pakistani line. That is the question, is PTK from older lines or newer? "

I don´t know,but IMO,it must be an old line as well.

"Some folk say it taste just like juicy fruit gum"
Hola Mr Purple
I´ve sampled one PTK female from seed that I shared with a veteran grower who is a farmer too,and yes,it smelled and tasted like chewing gum (so to speak).The closest thing to this I´ve seen in Tom´s lines is my keeper X18.They are different tho.:wink:

"What gallons are they in, will they finish in? Do you find the stone to be a full on Indica? Do you find that especially in early sprouting then veg with males, that the leaves tend to point upwards at night? How about the tips of the leaves curling downwards like the flo with the females? It seems to have a lime green color to it, would you agree? How many watts HPS is there for flowering?"

The ones above were flowered in 2 gallon pots (at most),soil under 600 HPS.
The leaves of the DC tend to point upwards unlike the PTK.That makes me remember something that DJ Short said regarding the differences between the "afghani" and the "kush".
I have two "versions" of the same cut....the columnar one that is similar to the seed mother and the "worked" version which has nice branches and much smaller leaves that don´t curl.
Well,here´s the original mom from seed:

 

[Guest]

Holy shit...those are some fat leaves. I don't think I've seen any fatter than that.

 

[Raco]

I have had DC leaves much bigger and wider than that^^
Here are the two old cuttings (1st gen.) topped and regenerated that produced the smaller leafed much branchier "pheno".Behind them,is the columnar pheno with big ass leaves.







The original seed mother in early flowering:



LeftC female
Right:X-18 female

 

[beancounter]

hey raco, nice stuff as always..

that phat leaved pic is the 1st PTK i've seen with such an agressive leaf size, most i have seen don't look anywhere near extreme.

I'm growing Bub's PAKI IBL right now and the seedlines all looked identical to yer phatty PTK, accept much darker green.. here, i'll attach some pics.. I have 40 of the PAKIs, doing 5-10 at a time, once i've gone thru them all i'll choose about 10+ fems and 10+ males and do a big open pollination run to preserve the line.

Anyways, i thought the PTK and PAKi were fairly dif based on all of the other seedling pics i had seen of PTK. But after seeing your pic I can seen some similarities..

It's fairy evident to me that Bub's line is much more heavily worked than Tom's PTK, as all of the PAKI plants i've grown so far have been identical, with only the very slightest variation (node spacing)... Does that make it better? who knows, i'll have to compare the smoke side by side.. I'm sure Bub's line is a lil slower in veg, and may be better for breeding, altho PTK is no slouch..

The smell on bub's line is similar to DC so far, but with some additional piney smells.. kinda dankish-earthy-skunky-kushy smell..

here's jus a few seedlings, all others look identical..

 

[Guest]

wow, that paki ibl looks awesome! i love the look of non-hybridized cannabis leaves!

 

[indicalover]

Nice pics there Bean, you to Raco. Gotta love that Indica

 

[Guest]

high there
i got three PTK going from seed and there looking awesome, just now starting put out some stink.....i'm still in the seedling stage but soon i'll be moveing to the vegg stage..

 

[deadM]

a young afghani landrace from mazar i shariff..
tasty weed with a cool body high

 

[Guest]

Cal-Jax