~PIFF~ A.K.A. Uptown Haze/Frankies/Church. Preserving a Heritage...

[goingrey]

Came across this release from Purple City Genetics International:

Boppers​

Type Sativa Hybrid / Feminized
Genetics Oakland Piff x ThC Bomb
Finish 8-9 weeks
Terp Profile Creamy piff and bubblegum
Notes Easy to grow / Fast finish / Amazing trichome coverage

Anyone know something about it, maybe even grown it?

Oakland Piff, what's that?

 

[g0dzilla]

Came across this release from Purple City Genetics International:

Boppers​

Type Sativa Hybrid / Feminized
Genetics Oakland Piff x ThC Bomb
Finish 8-9 weeks
Terp Profile Creamy piff and bubblegum
Notes Easy to grow / Fast finish / Amazing trichome coverage

Anyone know something about it, maybe even grown it?

Oakland Piff, what's that?

Gush mints / pc3 hybrid.

 

[Spaventa]

I spent a long time reading everything I could find on Piff/Uptown/NYC Haze.
The description is a sparse, light green 13 week plant with thin fingered leaves, typical haze herbal/floral plus LOUD incense/church when it burns.
It’s a perfect description of Phenotype#1 from the original GHS Neville’s Haze. Everything matches.
Then I see a post where a guy says he heard from a few people that Piff is an old Neville’s Haze these Dominicans grew a pack of.
I believe original non feminised, standard GHS NH and Piff share a temporal correlation too so it’s highly likely Piff is an old Neville’s Haze

 

[zachrockbadenof]

Came across this release from Purple City Genetics International:

Boppers​

Type Sativa Hybrid / Feminized
Genetics Oakland Piff x ThC Bomb
Finish 8-9 weeks
Terp Profile Creamy piff and bubblegum
Notes Easy to grow / Fast finish / Amazing trichome coverage

Anyone know something about it, maybe even grown it?

Oakland Piff, what's that?

its a name someone threw on it..

 

[OldCoolSativa]

Using uptown purp as the generic descriptive term it is. As opposed to gold, green or brown haze/piff terps.

Not a strain name nor anything to do with bluedream fems.
It's just a regular photoperiod haze hybrid of nevs A5 and ny hazes.

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I’ve never seen nor smoked NYC haze, but that’s exactly what I would expect the plant to look like. Please tell me more.

 

[goingrey]

its a name someone threw on it..

This is true of all names.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

This is true of all names.

yep

 

[Gonzo_Genetix]

I was in the Midwest until 2005 so never encountered NYC Piff in the wild, this is supposedly the NYC Piff week at 7 or 8. It's got an old school profile, close to that lemon pledge profile I've encountered but more pungent. BTW I am not the best person to get terp opinions from. View attachment 1000006763.jpg View attachment 1000006557.jpg

 

[HappyDude32ed]

I was in the Midwest until 2005 so never encountered NYC Piff in the wild, this is supposedly the NYC Piff week at 7 or 8. It's got an old school profile, close to that lemon pledge profile I've encountered but more pungent. BTW I am not the best person to get terp opinions from. View attachment 19009986 View attachment 19009987

She's really gorgeous
You did an amazing job growing her out !

Was this a cut of Piffcoastfarms genetics ? Or how old do you think your cut is ?

I honestly have never found a picture of the old NY Piff being grown. In fact I never even found a legit picture of her bud
No real cellphones back then haha

I would love to hear how your girls turn out after a cure. They look delicious



I've never grown out genuine NY Piff so I dont know what terps she would be giving off before harvest.

But the NY Piff aka Purple Haze aka Downtown Brown I remember growing up with had a strong frankincense church Incense, floral smell.
Even when smoked it would linger in the air and make the whole room smell like someone lit an incense stick. Hence the nickname used back then "Church"

I remember she wasn't the prettiest, but was incredibly sticky. If you had her in your pocket it would almost wad up in the bag.

I really miss that smell tho.

It was the smell of Haze, but something added to it like a flower or something, and it was stronger smelling.
I havnt had a straight haze in forever either tho.

 

[Gonzo_Genetix]

She's really gorgeous
You did an amazing job growing her out !

Was this a cut of Piffcoastfarms genetics ? Or how old do you think your cut is ?

I honestly have never found a picture of the old NY Piff being grown. In fact I never even found a legit picture of her bud
No real cellphones back then haha

I would love to hear how your girls turn out after a cure. They look delicious



I've never grown out genuine NY Piff so I dont know what terps she would be giving off before harvest.

But the NY Piff aka Purple Haze aka Downtown Brown I remember growing up with had a strong frankincense church Incense, floral smell.
Even when smoked it would linger in the air and make the whole room smell like someone lit an incense stick. Hence the nickname used back then "Church"

I remember she wasn't the prettiest, but was incredibly sticky. If you had her in your pocket it would almost wad up in the bag.

I really miss that smell tho.

It was the smell of Haze, but something added to it like a flower or something, and it was stronger smelling.
I havnt had a straight haze in forever either tho.

I don't think this is CBH, it just doesn't seem logical that full warehouses would be running 100+ day strains. That said it's not the 65 days I've read Piffcoasts Piff goes, then again commercial grows Always pull early. I might be forced to pull her at 69 days but I think 80 might be optimal. It grows very much like a SSH cut I've ran, colas look similar.

This came to me as the clone only NYC PIFF no mention of PiffCoast. I would need a knowledgeable right coaster to fly out 3k miles to verify lol.

 

[HappyDude32ed]

I have seen a few reports of large runs of the Bandaid Hazes, from seeds, that the original Piff profile are found only in the shorter phenos that require less flower time. I believe around 10 weeks.

The taller and longer flowering ones you would find tend to be more on the tobacco kind of musky leather smells. Have nice highs, but aren't what people are usually hunting for.

I've personally ran around 180 bandaid Haze seeds. F1s and F2s but I never found what I was looking for.

But I do know of people who ran over 200 that have found 1 keeper that had that terp.

But I do believe the original Piff was a cross of CBH with an A5 Haze.

So it kind of makes sense that the shorter flowering phenos would be the ones you want.


Honestly as long as your happy with her it doesn't really matter haha
If a girl takes me 16 Weeks to finish her, as long as she makes me happy then I don't care what she is or where she came from.

But I would really love to find the terps of the old school Piff. And the high is something I have never found in my 25+ years of searching.

Very up high. Would give me open eyed visuals.
Very dreamy like psycodelic headspace and an amazing change of perception. Like a switch went off in my mind that changed how I viewed the world for the better.

I know all strains give different effects for everyone. But that's why I've been searching for her the last 25+ years. I want that back.

 

[Gonzo_Genetix]

I have seen a few reports of large runs of the Bandaid Hazes, from seeds, that the original Piff profile are found only in the shorter phenos that require less flower time. I believe around 10 weeks.

The taller and longer flowering ones you would find tend to be more on the tobacco kind of musky leather smells. Have nice highs, but aren't what people are usually hunting for.

I've personally ran around 180 bandaid Haze seeds. F1s and F2s but I never found what I was looking for.

But I do know of people who ran over 200 that have found 1 keeper that had that terp.

But I do believe the original Piff was a cross of CBH with an A5 Haze.

So it kind of makes sense that the shorter flowering phenos would be the ones you want.


Honestly as long as your happy with her it doesn't really matter haha
If a girl takes me 16 Weeks to finish her, as long as she makes me happy then I don't care what she is or where she came from.

But I would really love to find the terps of the old school Piff. And the high is something I have never found in my 25+ years of searching.

Very up high. Would give me open eyed visuals.
Very dreamy like psycodelic headspace and an amazing change of perception. Like a switch went off in my mind that changed how I viewed the world for the better.

I know all strains give different effects for everyone. But that's why I've been searching for her the last 25+ years. I want that back.

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"Honestly as long as your happy with her it doesn't really matter"

This!! I know some cats that get very defensive over prominence! The whole "well I got this cut from JoBu who used to know a guy who knew a guy who ran in circles with Deez nuts, so I know this is legit".

As a breeder I do try to get verification on certain cuts, as a connoisseur, dank is dank. As a breeder its all about reputation (which I'm still working on) if I'm using something you've never heard of in a breeding project, you need to trust I know dank from schwag.

At the end of the day I don't care what you call a strain, who bred it or where you got it, dank is dank.

 

[Shua1991]

There are phenotypes in KC brains seeds "haze Special" that are like 11 week Neville haze phenotypes, very musky and woodsy, had a bit of the tanned leather smell too, but it was fruity and sweet early in flower and finished herbal/musky/incense like classic Dutch style haze.
I liked those more than the more body/mind combo most "piff" I've sampled. It would be funny to do a blind comparison between some 10 dollar kc brains genetics and the "uptown brown" stuff they're marketing to people. It would humble some seed makers knowing they're comparable to the "economy" breeders.

I've been more impressed by the sour diesel in new jersey than the hazes I've had here in new york, they're usually not consistent, harder to grow I guess, or outside my price range. I know someone who sells 400 dollar oz of an ethiopian cultivar in Brooklyn, a real 5 hour "speedy" effect no body. The people charging similar for "piff" are selling a cash crop varietal in most cases, not an heirloom sativa, or even the same haze existed in the early 2000's, most of the time its just renamed nl5H. Don't expect honesty from people who profit off of your ignorance.

 

[HappyDude32ed]

There are phenotypes in KC brains seeds "haze Special" that are like 11 week Neville haze phenotypes, very musky and woodsy, had a bit of the tanned leather smell too, but it was fruity and sweet early in flower and finished herbal/musky/incense like classic Dutch style haze.
I liked those more than the more body/mind combo most "piff" I've sampled. It would be funny to do a blind comparison between some 10 dollar kc brains genetics and the "uptown brown" stuff they're marketing to people. It would humble some seed makers knowing they're comparable to the "economy" breeders.

I've been more impressed by the sour diesel in new jersey than the hazes I've had here in new york, they're usually not consistent, harder to grow I guess, or outside my price range. I know someone who sells 400 dollar oz of an ethiopian cultivar in Brooklyn, a real 5 hour "speedy" effect no body. The people charging similar for "piff" are selling a cash crop varietal in most cases, not an heirloom sativa, or even the same haze existed in the early 2000's, most of the time its just renamed nl5H. Don't expect honesty from people who profit off of your ignorance.

Facts !
I'm sick of the renaming of genetics in order to ask for more money.
Besides it being dirty af, its one reason some of our genetics will become lost.

So many cuts of Sour going around that even if the original was still here there are so many other labeled Sour you will have a hard time finding it.

Just because something has a bit of a sour taste doesn't mean you can market it as Sour Diesel

Same with all the remakes floating around. It's not the same thing so use a different name. Even a "V2" at the end would be fine, but they don't care because they want that money.

 

[kro-magnon]

Facts !
I'm sick of the renaming of genetics in order to ask for more money.
Besides it being dirty af, its one reason some of our genetics will become lost.

So many cuts of Sour going around that even if the original was still here there are so many other labeled Sour you will have a hard time finding it.

Just because something has a bit of a sour taste doesn't mean you can market it as Sour Diesel

Same with all the remakes floating around. It's not the same thing so use a different name. Even a "V2" at the end would be fine, but they don't care because they want that money.

The renaming game has always been plaid to sell faster average quality with famous names. When I started smoking weed everything strong enough was Super Skunk a bit later all the buds were White Widow whatever the real genetics. Dealers most of the time don’t know the real genetics they sell and use the most famous name of the moment. After the WW era all buds became Amnesia in Europe and this name is still used for anything of decent quality.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

The renaming game has always been plaid to sell faster average quality with famous names.

in the late 60's,early 70's, i don't remember any names... u could tell by the look if it was mex or Columbian ... never a name...

 

[ojd]

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Il have over 50 Haze seed strains available and over 100 varieties available including Original Diesel S1 and many Chem/Diesel hybrids.

Looking for that Spicy Incense taste that fills the room with Church , check out my Dankincense F2 and Hybrid project, amazing Old School Hazy Terps , zero Lemon , Lime Terps

 

[browntrout]

There are phenotypes in KC brains seeds "haze Special" that are like 11 week Neville haze phenotypes, very musky and woodsy, had a bit of the tanned leather smell too, but it was fruity and sweet early in flower and finished herbal/musky/incense like classic Dutch style haze.
I liked those more than the more body/mind combo most "piff" I've sampled. It would be funny to do a blind comparison between some 10 dollar kc brains genetics and the "uptown brown" stuff they're marketing to people. It would humble some seed makers knowing they're comparable to the "economy" breeders.

I've been more impressed by the sour diesel in new jersey than the hazes I've had here in new york, they're usually not consistent, harder to grow I guess, or outside my price range. I know someone who sells 400 dollar oz of an ethiopian cultivar in Brooklyn, a real 5 hour "speedy" effect no body. The people charging similar for "piff" are selling a cash crop varietal in most cases, not an heirloom sativa, or even the same haze existed in the early 2000's, most of the time its just renamed nl5H. Don't expect honesty from people who profit off of your ignorance.

Glad I’m sitting on a few packs of KCB Haze Special. You don’t hear her mentioned much.

 

[Shua1991]

Glad I’m sitting on a few packs of KCB Haze Special. You don’t hear her mentioned much.

Me Too, a few breeders I've tried seeds of used it, the most impressive was an autoflower by "short stuff seeds".

 

[ojd]

None of you Piff crowd going down to the Piffcon/Haze New York show today , where's all your Piff/Frankies flower/extracts ?.
You will get to sample many Piff/Haze flowers and see if it's anything like your Piff/Haze or what your looking for , New York 12-5pm , 100's of vendors selling flowers , clones , seeds , etc etc