~PIFF~ A.K.A. Uptown Haze/Frankies/Church. Preserving a Heritage...

[xOOx]

jj- yea true, i didn't think of that! so then have to go back to the drawing board. one step further. the parents of ssh are? one of them possibly x colo,domin,mexi heirloom. i've never smoked ssh or mango so i have no idea of the buzz. just speculating based on experienced smokers observations of these strains. maybe ssh was or wasn't around early 90s, but the parents had to be in some form or another (isn't it the basic building blocks? haze/skunk/nl mut?)

killa-bud. i agree there is some chill out indica like effects. not paralyzing, you just may like to sit and stare for a while 35 minutes into it dreaming away. fan leaves are huge in veg/pre-flower, but vanish to mostly sativa in flower. but i've seen threads on pure sativas that have no indica influence but show some fat fans pre-flower too. so its still up in the air wtf is really in it? i wish i could find the thread that showed pure sativa with fatter leaves. it throws the whole concept of indica/sativa hybrids through a loop.

i agree it can be scary. friend of mine who smokes way less then me (maybe once every few weeks or month) will only take half a breath full hit (mini puff), and feels it. feeling nice for an hour+ off that little. but thats zero tolerance to it. i don't think there is anything that you can't build a tolerance to eventually if you really wanted to work on it for a while. i think the plant has a very unique look (it just does its own thing) and it smellz kinda funky 2, lol.

xoox

 

[barletta]

SSH and MH are both Sk/Hz x Nl/Hz. Different parents, moms are sisters (different plants, same parents). MH supposedly leans more sativa dom high than SSH. Both are genetically 50% haze, bred for haze taste/aroma. I'm sure that pif is a haze hybrid, heavy on the haze.

It's very doutful that it is Mango Haze or SSH, because the Piff has been around since the early 90's(I first smoked it in 92). Way before any of these strains were made. I was told it was a NL5 X Haze pheno. The straight Cough is also a NL5 X Haze pheno it is said to be simular to the Piff also.

I could deffo believe that it is NL x Hz. My ssh pheno's that taste the 'piffiest' have the most dense (I assume the NL) budstructure. We just need more people that could ID the pif sittin in traffic on Rt.3 growing commercial hazes. Have any tri-st8trs run the thunk or ohaze x sk? Maybe a haze dom Jack? sensi's nl x hz, soma's amnesia? What hazes are you guys running?? I'm a noob, but am just finishing up a pack of ssh, and I'm on the right track. I got lotsa ssh and ssh x's to run through, and I'll be running the thunks soon enough.

Anyone familiar with Neville's (NL/Hz x Hz) AND pif? How do they compare??

 

[Rgd]

The best of the haze x nl5 does not have an indi bud stucture.
It takes a long time to finish and almost drown itself in its own resin, if
left long enough.
That said, the pheno was back in 1989 and have no idea if the strain
is still as good.
Haze x nl5 he highest high i dun ever had.

cool thread,piff on!

 

[asher1er]

i wouldn't doubt at all that its a nl5xhaze of some sort..finding the tru parents of the piff is gonna be a task which i doubt will ever be completed or verified... theres various "piff" strains being grown down here n sold up there to begin with...everyone has a different story about it aswell..the old non english speakers i know been growing for that scene for 15 years with the same strain all tho i can only confirm 5 with my own eyes and within them 5 i have seen different cuts of the "black" "90day" "la negra" or whatever other name they decide to use for her

enjoy da weekend fellas

 

[DRorganic]

like i said befor it has a bud look of kalimist .but it could be a pheno out of a pack of pre.98 kalimist befor simon changed it.could it be.or some on has a cut from the old days and some one got it to grow comercial .but man i grow sativa buds all the time like kalimist and it is not a somthing that has a lot of weight when dry.it looks like a lot
at harvest but when dry its feather light.

 

[barletta]

Haziest seed I gots are the thunks, I got 7 healthies in a papertowel. It will be nice to have some haze next memorial day...

 

[ARTofMAKINGfire]

By next Memorial Day, I WILL have Haze...

 

[NorCalFor20]

i only read your posts. i dont know if anybody has told you yet or not but you should clone that piff before you flower it, unless you plan on revegging that beast. later. pm me if you don't hear back or send a K message sometimes i forget to check back on threads.

 

[ARTofMAKINGfire]

i only read your posts. i dont know if anybody has told you yet or not but you should clone that piff before you flower it, unless you plan on revegging that beast. later. pm me if you don't hear back or send a K message sometimes i forget to check back on threads.

You are someone that doesn't read the thread and just posts whatever they are thinking at the moment.

I've already stated I am flowering clones and I have mothers in veg.

And I'm not going to PM if I don't hear back from you.

 

[NorCalFor20]

sorry man i filtered your posts so i could see what you said/posted don't have times to read 14 pages of people saying "good job, nice work"

but sounds like a plan to me, im interested in seeing flowering pix when they start budding so keep the thread updated...

btw no reason to be offended bc I said it would be a good idea to clone since this is some rare genetic I've never heard of... good luck with your grow dude

 

[ARTofMAKINGfire]

Having never read the 14 pages how would you know that it's people just saying good job. It is in fact not that. And there's a lot of information you'll never know having that attitude.

Not offended. Annoyed.

And I knew it was a good idea long before you appeared and told me.

 

[blackone]

Having never read the 14 pages how would you know that it's people just saying good job. It is in fact not that. And there's a lot of information you'll never know having that attitude.

Not offended. Annoyed.

And I knew it was a good idea long before you appeared and told me.

Agreed - it's quite easy to hit the subscribe button and then come back later to read though a thread if you feel it's interesting.
I won't say that I haven't been guilty myself of asking questions that were already answered though Sometimes you do get sloppy with long threads.

Anyway this sounds like a very interesting project - failure or success you're playing an active part in the community. Once in a while something special pops up even in low population grows - I hope you will be able to follow up with a larger project if you get lucky.

Go with the flow - see what the genes of your plants have to offer and adjust your aims according to those (If they indeed offer something worthwhile ).
In other words - if you don't get anything like the original bud then perhaps there are other interesting qualities in your material.

 

[ARTofMAKINGfire]

blackone - You're right about missing facts and asking things twice. I do the same. But there's a difference between that and not putting forth ANY effort.

Anyway! Back to the grow. Piff #2 does not want to stop stretching! I knew this was going to happen, which is why I flowered them so small. But she's already over a foot tall and is showing no signs of slowing at all. No big deal, I have several FEET to go in the cab...

The only PITA is having to raise the other pots, but there's only 6 total in the cabinet, so im just bitchin.

I can't wait until these babied slow and show me some nugs! I'll take a picture and post in the next few days. Nothing special right now, just getting taller. I found a male in the cabinet, it was an outdoor strain that I'm testing out. I have a few of this strain outside right now, and they seem to be packing on the weight. So, we'll see. In the male's place, I threw 2 cheese clones in the same pot. Seeing how the light is already on 12/12. I'm also intrested to see how these little guys do with NO VEG.

 

[asher1er]

don't be surprised if they stretch for about 3 weeks

why you think phosphoload is such a hot seller down here?

keep up the good work homie

oh damn was that another "nice job good work" post?

 

[barletta]

"nice job good work"

OK, 1 wk, Art. Rub the hell outta the stems and sniff 1 hand, do the same with the leaves with the other hand... Sorry, but I AM gonna bug you at least 1 time per wk for smell/tendency updates!

Seriously though. Take cuts.

 

[ndnguy]

SSH and MH are both Sk/Hz x Nl/Hz. Different parents, moms are sisters (different plants, same parents). MH supposedly leans more sativa dom high than SSH. Both are genetically 50% haze, bred for haze taste/aroma. I'm sure that pif is a haze hybrid, heavy on the haze.



I could deffo believe that it is NL x Hz. My ssh pheno's that taste the 'piffiest' have the most dense (I assume the NL) budstructure. We just need more people that could ID the pif sittin in traffic on Rt.3 growing commercial hazes. Have any tri-st8trs run the thunk or ohaze x sk? Maybe a haze dom Jack? sensi's nl x hz, soma's amnesia? What hazes are you guys running?? I'm a noob, but am just finishing up a pack of ssh, and I'm on the right track. I got lotsa ssh and ssh x's to run through, and I'll be running the thunks soon enough.

Anyone familiar with Neville's (NL/Hz x Hz) AND pif? How do they compare??

I am sure Shanti told me it was just another pheno of SSH before he sent me some.A pheno he didn't continue to work on till later down the line. Who really knows I guess eh??

 

[bigherb]

art
lookin good bro i told u #2 look like ya winner.

ndnguy
lotta speculation bout the lineage of piff i thought it would 4 eva be a mystery.but the idea of a pheno of ssh sounds intereting to me caz of the catpiss smell.is this catpiss the pheno u r referring to the ?
watttt did shanti say ?wat hybrid or project was that down the line ?i kno i guesss

 

[barletta]

The ssh smell that is 'piffy' (12wk clone, I labeled 'iffy' cause it's almost pif..) is a sweet herbal incensey garbage flower. Nothing stinky or stanky (IMO) about it. Very pelasing smell. DIFFERENT FLAVOR FUNK. The catpiss is like a garlic or skunk or burnt rubber. Kinda repulsive, but you know that it's dank weed behind it. I just smoked a bowl of ssh(iffy), and I keep wakling in and out of the room sniffing. And SMILING...

The reason that I don't think that my SSH IS pif is that the taste on the inhale is a lil different. The exhale, the high, the bud smell, and the high are what I remember of real block pif. I haven't had any off the block now in ~10 months. I HAVE smoked a QP if iffy in that time though...

 

[xOOx]

barletta,

its so hard to describe smells but i get what yer sayin man. the herbal incensey pheno is very light & sweet smelling, i was able to smell that soury grapefruit/mangoish? mixed in w/it. but that pheno is the one that was very racy to me (the one that gave me the super pisses!) and it died ;( it was much quicker to finish, grew more single cola, hardly any branching, way more sativa looking leaves with tight 2-3 inch buds all packed tightly around the main cola that kinda looked like one big bud, i had to grab the individual buds and pulling/pry them away from the main cola, and it had only a few satellite popcorns at its base. at 55 days it looked finished, coke can sized main cola (even under fluro), all pistils browned up, but i still took it to 77 first run, and it still had tons of clear trichs! i think the peak was a little bit more disorienting, unfortunately, it gave a major crash when it was over. and the high was a half hour give or take shorter then the one i wound up liking better. i wish i still had pics of it, but i deleted everything in one of my paranoid frenzys - but it still looked most unique, nothing i've seen here has resembled it either, maybe one or two plants early in the ultimate sativa thread maybe. but only 'similarities' thats it.

the skunky garlicky catpissy? pheno takes its time flowering, from seed it took almost 27 days of 12/12 before it even showed its sex, then turns on the gas a little (but not much) later in flower. they both had the same odor left on your fingers after a stem rub though. it is the one i liked best, from the seeds i've collected over the last decade, no crash (bonus), longer lasting (bonus), and some more body to it and friends who've experienced both agree.

i've never taken it past 80 days, so no idea what happens after that. one friend did build a tolerance though, but it took him 4 plants worth to do it smoking day and night 24/7 and he only noted it was duration that suffered, high was still present. i think it took him about 3 months of smoking them and even gifting buds (yeah he a fiend, just like u guys .. chimneyz). after a couple weeks of smoking commercial, it was just as strong again he said, and started up another grow (lol) cause commercial nuggets suck compared. how easily we forget. just the old strain shuffle deal to break a tolerance. so far my tolerance has remained exactly the same for couple year smoking the same girl and its all i've been smoking, but i don't smoke all the time, once a day, sometimes every other day. and only a hit or two - more on weekends. its enough to keep me satisfied, my 1-2 hour dance is just fine with me! if ur shitfaced most of the day, i think you may have a problem. j/k! smoke 0n! one warning though: she has a mean withdrawel.

i'm sure the pineapple/grapefruit/mangoish one is buried in its genetic somewhere. i still have a bunch of seeds but i think they may be dead by now for sure. i've soaked them 24 hrs and tried to germ them but put them back in baggies to try again some other day if i get bored.

i'm really rooting for everyone who may get the actual original mother in hand, because if its anything like what i like (or better) - i would want it then

xoox

 

[barletta]

I find that the catpiss and grapefruit smells hang out together. I have never smelled or tasted citrus or skunk or catpiss or lemon or anything in pif. I am not the 'pif expert' by any means, I just love smoking it, and it NEVER crossed my mind to look for a seed, but I don't remember ever seeing 1. I got my pif in a 4 block radius over a ~8yr span. Same strain, same flavor, different names. Was a dominican neighborhood, all the dudes were dominicanos, so I am with the folks that are sayin that they are movin/growin it. My Rican dudes tell me that dominicans DON'T PLAY, so that's why it's been locked away.

herbal incensey pheno is very light & sweet smelling

Those are the only flavors that I have tasted in the pif from your above post. After growing for a lil while, I am convinced it is/was the same CUT run in a very consistently similar setup on a LONG TERM basis. I find my own cuts taste a lil different if I give em out, and someone else grows em, but that pif was the same bud, every time.

Sorry Art. Good job, though.

Art, I'm sorry if I missed it, but do you have a male handy???