Phylos Bioscience sparks outrage after announcing their beginning their own breeding

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Oh they have already tried to charge me with the so-called crime of conspiracy to distribute cannabis seeds - but were refused my extradition - so you don't scare me with your threats of some load'a' bollocks conspiracy matey.



As far as I'm concerned - Sam has responded to these spurious accusations - and seemed to make sense to me - I'm sure a more thorough response will be forthcoming - some time soon - when you will get all the answers to any questions - if they've a mind to bother with responding.

Thanks for the feedback Gypsy.

You, proverbially, can be charged with a crime--Conspiracy. The word conspiracy literally means, together we breathe. Together Dave colluded or breathed a collective breath with Phylos, in order to acquire cultivars from YOUR site dude. Then he skirts from the limelight when the people call him and Phylos out. Why is he allowed to mod/scrub/clean his participation in the ongoings of duplicity by deleting thread contributions? More importantly, why do you, Gypsy, condone his behavior? You have ultimate admin power and can access on the server ALL the logs. Re-post without modifying what Dave has said over the years so he can't lie anymore.

I am not trying to be rude or disrespectful. Actually the opposite. I am INspecting and addressing his actions while using a platform which he can counter anything on with facts. Instead he is being a Saul Alinsky-ite and points a finger and calls names without validating himself.

p.s. The fbi mi5 oegd gru/fsb ect upon ect upon ect all have referenced this site multiple times in various tribunals. Domestic (multi-country) LEO has used this site and overgrow for nearly 20 years, collectively, to build cases. You know this and your solicitors have been made aware hundreds+ of times. Keep it real brotha. Rez was a prime example of this, read the discovery of his case if you haven't already (which I'd be surprised if you hadn't considering it all)

P.s.s. This is about Phylos and the people whom represent them inflaming the people here. I for one think more loyalty and respect should be given to them than to a wrong-doing Mod because without the people... The forum has no purpose

 

[White Beard]

Tough call, Gypsy - good on you for making it.

The more gets revealed about Phylos, the more convinced I am that Phylos actually failed at the very idea of finding relationships between strains and races: they clearly didn’t give a thought to how to account for folklore naming in submitted samples? This reduces what they have to the level of junk, once you get past the raw genetic data.

The galaxy may just be a way to find other things to smoke by how similar / different from what you think you got...but nobody’d pay for that.

Pump ‘n’ dump....


I have appreciated hearing from Sam and Chimera on this. At this point, I don’t know how long my interest in digging deeper will hold out, as far as public airing is concerned, but I AM interested, and I’ll read what anybody has to say.

 

[Dognponyshow]

Oh they have already tried to charge me with the so-called crime of conspiracy to distribute cannabis seeds - but were refused my extradition - so you don't scare me with your threats of some load'a' bollocks conspiracy matey.



As far as I'm concerned - Sam has responded to these spurious accusations - and seemed to make sense to me - I'm sure a more thorough response will be forthcoming - some time soon - when you will get all the answers to any questions - if they've a mind to bother with responding.

There was no implication of charging you with anything. That's why I said proverbially. If misinterpreted, my apologies for not being more concise. I also alluded to that attempted extradition application when I referred to your time in PI and why imo you should welcome truth being spoken all the time. It assisted you a great deal with the whole... Prove it or lose it defense.

Dave said he never was notified of or participated in alleviating minds of particular matters regarding IP rights and NDAs and the like.. what about the posts from various users in the genome project thread that he deleted that raved about these same issues he denies being made aware of? Why did he scrub em? You can see the logs... Set the record straight brotha. Repost his contributions.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

I'm not about to go digging thru years of posts to satisfy your cravings for mud that might or might not stick to Sam - This is not a court of public opinion necessarily, and I don't like to see colleagues vilified over the sharing of seeds -


Sam will be watching this thread - and if he can be bothered then he will respond to it - I know nothing much of this Phylos other than it looks like it has pissed off quite a few people by using what might be construed as 'false pretences'...

There was no implication of charging you with anything. That's why I said proverbially. If misinterpreted, my apologies for not being more concise. I also alluded to that attempted extradition application when I referred to your time in PI and why imo you should welcome truth being spoken all the time. It assisted you a great deal with the whole... Prove it or lose it defense.

Dave said he never was notified of or participated in alleviating minds of particular matters regarding IP rights and NDAs and the like.. what about the posts from various users in the genome project thread that he deleted that raved about these same issues he denies being made aware of? Why did he scrub em? You can see the logs... Set the record straight brotha. Repost his contributions.

 

[Dognponyshow]

Tough call, Gypsy - good on you for making it.

The more gets revealed about Phylos, the more convinced I am that Phylos actually failed at the very idea of finding relationships between strains and races: they clearly didn’t give a thought to how to account for folklore naming in submitted samples? This reduces what they have to the level of junk, once you get past the raw genetic data.

The galaxy may just be a way to find other things to smoke, but nobody’d pay for that.

Pump ‘n’ dump....

They didn't fail at all. Their intention was to acquire data that belonged to other people for free or at the least cost they could with the further intention of selling the data-set. Once Phylos sells or transfers the ownership of the data they will go belly up and everyone will off the hook. Maybe they want to be in the industrial pharm and lab world. Perhaps they need to metrics to enter into the knowledge-base so they can calibrate their HPLC or other non-damaging spectrometers to have the most refined and complete instrument and read-outs. Just maybe.

 

[Dognponyshow]

I'm not about to go digging thru years of posts to satisfy your cravings for mud that might or might not stick to Sam - This is not a court of public opinion necessarily, and I don't like to see colleagues vilified over the sharing of seeds -


Sam will be watching this thread - and if he can be bothered then he will respond to it - I know nothing much of this Phylos other than it looks like it has pissed off quite a few people by using what might be construed as 'false pretences'...

That is a fair rationale. Thanks for being cordial and for providing a platform for discussion.

We wouldn't want to bother your colleague anymore than he has been bothered already. He has responded "eloquently" to inquery and nothing further has to be said, it'll be deleted anyway.

Btw Sam, the actual WORK you have done is respected by many. So at least you have that going for ya unlike most others.

 

[Medfinder]

What a reach around
.you pay them and hand over your genetics for tissue culture...lol...why didnt i think of this HUGE IDEA

Maybie because the premise of furthering cannabis genetics logging is more important that making money.

Wonder what strain they will call their own?

 

[Freedom45]

Well it didn’t take long for the first billion/tens of millions scam to happen in the industry. It certainly won’t be the last. Be careful peeps

 

[Dognponyshow]

Let this Phylos crap be a lesson to all Americans, socializing(socialism) or collectivizing(communism) is NEVER in YOUR best interest. The "it's for everyone" mumbo-gumbo is exactly that... mumbo-jumbo. It didn't work for the Boer population when Britain demanded rights for their immigrant school children and then after being GIVEN them, the British decided to concentration camp genocide 20,000 women and children in the Boer War, it won't work for you.

It is all about; People whom are in want, getting what they need, off the backs of those whom have earned.

Every time someone dies in a war someone sells their house and belongings. This cannabis realm is no different.

 

[Water-]

Let this Phylos crap be a lesson to all Americans, socializing(socialism) or collectivizing(communism) is NEVER in YOUR best interest. The "it's for everyone" mumbo-gumbo is exactly that... mumbo-jumbo. It didn't work for the Boer population when Britain demanded rights for their immigrant school children and then after being GIVEN them, the British decided to concentration camp genocide 20,000 women and children in the Boer War, it won't work for you.

It is all about; People whom are in want, getting what they need, off the backs of those whom have earned.

Every time someone dies in a war someone sells their house and belongings. This cannabis realm is no different.

are you aware that you just used an example of capitalism to bash socialism?

the connections you are making only exist in your head.

Phylos is a capitalist company that never claimed to be otherwise.
There is no relation there to socialist or communist economic systems.
and the Boer war analogy doesn't fit

 

[Guest]

are you aware that you just used an example of capitalism to bash socialism?

the connections you are making only exist in your head.

Phylos is a capitalist company that never claimed to be otherwise.
There is no relation there to socialist or communist economic systems.
and the Boer war analogy doesn't fit

1300 posts in two years. Wow.

 

[frostqueen]

The more gets revealed about Phylos, the more convinced I am that Phylos actually failed at the very idea of finding relationships between strains and races: they clearly didn’t give a thought to how to account for folklore naming in submitted samples? This reduces what they have to the level of junk, once you get past the raw genetic data.

They new about this from the very beginning. I repeatedly discussed the false naming problem with them when they first started out and were offering to do free tests for local breeders to start the galaxy. It happened at an early meeting with about 50 other community members present, and Mowgli just shrugged and looked at me like monkeys had flown out of my ass. Remember: this was sold to us as 'a great way to confirm your plants' lineage'.

There is zero doubt at all that they knew about the false naming problem.

 

[White Beard]

‘Preciate you putting a stake in that one.

I’m always willing to give the benefit of a doubt - but only when there is one.

So yeah, neato light show, maybe explore the names/strains that cluster around ones you think you like, maybe try something that seems way out there, that’s pretty cool, but...yeah, even though they knew, were warned by you like you said, that confirms for me that they had no real plan beyond the light show, as far as the community is concerned. The whole thing smells like a con to me, top to bottom: whoever they cut a deal with had better hold onto their shorts.

 

[CaptainDankness]

Let this Phylos crap be a lesson to all Americans, socializing(socialism) or collectivizing(communism) is NEVER in YOUR best interest. The "it's for everyone" mumbo-gumbo is exactly that... mumbo-jumbo. It didn't work for the Boer population when Britain demanded rights for their immigrant school children and then after being GIVEN them, the British decided to concentration camp genocide 20,000 women and children in the Boer War, it won't work for you.

It is all about; People whom are in want, getting what they need, off the backs of those whom have earned.

Every time someone dies in a war someone sells their house and belongings. This cannabis realm is no different.

Actually this would be crony capitalism, they definitely have investors, probably even GW Pharma.

I guess it's up to us Americans to show you how we do things. We're mostly outlaws as it is, think we are scared of patents? We've been facing prison time for growing this plant all these years, the DEA is just a little scarier than the USPTO.

I know I'm going to steal genetics from them if they produce anything that special. Basically why Sam won't show us what he's got going on with Hortapharm. of course, I would buy seeds from Hortapharm but if it's anything that special I'm at least keeping a mother and will share cuttings.

They may think patents will help but really I bought my Carolina Reaper seeds from Ed Currie because he created it. I will save seeds though, even if they don't come out 2,000,000 scovile it's hot enough. Lol, I put 3 drops of reaper sauce on a chilli dog God damn!! I'm drinking like 2 glasses of water. Lol, that's when I found out Siracha and Tobasco are for little girls. but Ed don't even have a patent on the current hottest chilli peppers in the world. It's actually not that easy get a patent apparently.

You can take any strain Skunk#1, Northern Lights, ect. Even without prior work established they have far too much variation to ever be patented. Phylyos can try but like the rest I think they'll fail trying to make a true breeding variety.

Really they probably already know this, but with what they claim investors are going to blow millions on the company just for them to be no better than Greenhouse Seeds. Lol

Turns out Greenhouse, DNA and House Of The Great Gardener are now owned by a marijuana corporation. They probably ain't going to let Phylyos get away with some bullshit patent, then you have Columbians, that coke money pays for good lawyers. Too many big players Phylyos ain't doing shit.

 

[944s2]

Let this Phylos crap be a lesson to all Americans, socializing(socialism) or collectivizing(communism) is NEVER in YOUR best interest. The "it's for everyone" mumbo-gumbo is exactly that... mumbo-jumbo. It didn't work for the Boer population when Britain demanded rights for their immigrant school children and then after being GIVEN them, the British decided to concentration camp genocide 20,000 women and children in the Boer War, it won't work for you.

It is all about; People whom are in want, getting what they need, off the backs of those whom have earned.

Every time someone dies in a war someone sells their house and belongings. This cannabis realm is no different.

Seriously dude,,
What the fuck has cannabis genetics got to do with “ concentration camps ‘
Only dog and pony show is the one going on in your head ,
You wanna look in your own backyard before criticising
others,,
uneducated , ignorant and most likely a very unhappy bunny,,,
Probably spent school at Harvard,,Princeton or Oxford or Cambridge and yes I am being facetious :biggrin,,,,,
Have a nice day lol,,,,s2

 

[Dognponyshow]

Seriously dude,,
What the fuck has cannabis genetics got to do with “ concentration camps ‘
Only dog and pony show is the one going on in your head ,
You wanna look in your own backyard before criticising
others,,
uneducated , ignorant and most likely a very unhappy bunny,,,
Probably spent school at Harvard,,Princeton or Oxford or Cambridge and yes I am being facetious :biggrin,,,,,
Have a nice day lol,,,,s2

This is the parable 944s2. Should be basic enough to follow. PM me if you are needing help still, I can put together an after-class workbook for you courtesy of the Ivy League.

The Boer were in south africa and all was well until they found gold. (Aka, killer pheno of cannabis).

The British (Cecil Rhodes and rothschilds) developed a plan to engraciate themselves to the Boer people by sending non-threatening immigrants to establish a relationship (Sam and Chimera established a gracious relationship with icmag users).

Then when the British got enough concessions (I.e. Clones, genome sequences, tissue culture, ect) they sent in the war ships (I.e. Mowgli and Phylos).

After the war began, everything was goung OK for the Boer... The Boer had the same caliber weapons (same genetic stock and know-how) as the British.

Then the British coordinated a better attack plan where they developed a assault and psychological component, starve out the enemy (no more seed sales of anything quality) while sniping the Boer who go to plant crops. (I.e. Sending lawyers with cease and desist notifications to your house, work, farm, ect).

Then the remaining Boer whom still had skills and their shit together, regrouped and started to create again (new breeding collabs and product drops).

But when the fighting started (I.e. Lawfare in the cannabis analog) again there wasn't enough food.

So the Boer sent there women and children to the "refugee zone" that was suppose to be safe.. (The cultivators and/or holders of the material sent in the genomic material thinking it was safe and for the collective knowledge base. Turns out it was all a trap and now they have your genetic stock to pimp out, just like the British did with Boer women and Children)

At the end... Well look at South Africa now.... It's dreadful and damn near 3rd world in most areas. De Beers still is crushing it tho, thanks to cheap wage-slave labor. (A BIG company will take/buy the knowledge from Phylos and exploit the enthusiast into working for them for kibble.)

Your Husband/Wife/Kids/Relatives -- their free and independent future is Gone because of how those of you whom did, decided to act by sending in the starting material to Phylos. People will end up going to jail and families will still be split up just like in the past. This time there will be legally ordered restitution to boot and a big Pharm or big Tobacco style outfit will be profiteering.

 

[944s2]

Ya preaching to the choir buddy,,,
Now appealing to my intellectually to appease me is not going to wash,,,
I have family in East London,,that’s the one in South Africa not London,,,lol
You brought the old colonial shit up then you got called out,,
Except your bollocking,,,,it was deserved,, now move on!
Ya dig???,,s2

 

[Dognponyshow]

Ya preaching to the choir buddy,,,
Now appealing to my intellectually to appease me is not going to wash,,,
I have family in East London,,that’s the one in South Africa not London,,,lol
You brought the old colonial shit up then you got called out,,
Except your bollocking,,,,it was deserved,, now move on!
Ya dig???,,s2

actually I don't dig, I no till. If you don't like the muddy landscape, the last tool you should want to be is a hoe. It won't do the job. If the system I describe plucks a thin cord in your bum and you cleft up and play a pitchy tune, take it up with the perpetuators of the system (I.e. Phylos, Dave, Brian and Mowgli ect ect).

Phylos is the topic and the people whom that company represents. Stay on topic (even in parabolic form) since you are so intellectually savvy.

Now go and sing your songs with your london/afpak boyband choir. Maybe your mayor Khan will sit in on the session(I'm being insinuatory). There are plenty of us, real heads, functioning here who don't fluff the puff.

 

[Dognponyshow]

are you aware that you just used an example of capitalism to bash socialism?

the connections you are making only exist in your head.

Phylos is a capitalist company that never claimed to be otherwise.
There is no relation there to socialist or communist economic systems.
and the Boer war analogy doesn't fit

Phylos used Socialistic methods to coax a product set out of easily exploitable and gullible people only to then go on and turn it into Capital and be Capitalistic.

Cronie Capitalism indeed.

Just so people are aware... Even when the commies took control of Imperial Russia, the state was run by people from foreign lands whom became oligarchs of industries. The plebes didn't get a share in any of the positive collective contributions. But the oligarchs got to sell and make money on them in the international market. How many ethno-indigenous Russians do you see in the world today? How many of Russia's oligarchs are actually full bred Russian? As a matter of fact, look around in all Euro countries even England and ask the same questions.

 

[Dognponyshow]

Actually this would be crony capitalism, they definitely have investors, probably even GW Pharma.

I guess it's up to us Americans to show you how we do things. We're mostly outlaws as it is, think we are scared of patents? We've been facing prison time for growing this plant all these years, the DEA is just a little scarier than the USPTO.

I know I'm going to steal genetics from them if they produce anything that special. Basically why Sam won't show us what he's got going on with Hortapharm. of course, I would buy seeds from Hortapharm but if it's anything that special I'm at least keeping a mother and will share cuttings.

They may think patents will help but really I bought my Carolina Reaper seeds from Ed Currie because he created it. I will save seeds though, even if they don't come out 2,000,000 scovile it's hot enough. Lol, I put 3 drops of reaper sauce on a chilli dog God damn!! I'm drinking like 2 glasses of water. Lol, that's when I found out Siracha and Tobasco are for little girls. but Ed don't even have a patent on the current hottest chilli peppers in the world. It's actually not that easy get a patent apparently.

You can take any strain Skunk#1, Northern Lights, ect. Even without prior work established they have far too much variation to ever be patented. Phylyos can try but like the rest I think they'll fail trying to make a true breeding variety.

Really they probably already know this, but with what they claim investors are going to blow millions on the company just for them to be no better than Greenhouse Seeds. Lol

Turns out Greenhouse, DNA and House Of The Great Gardener are now owned by a marijuana corporation. They probably ain't going to let Phylyos get away with some bullshit patent, then you have Columbians, that coke money pays for good lawyers. Too many big players Phylyos ain't doing shit.

Agree with a lot of this. crony capitalism for sure. If you pay attention at what the guys like Dan at DnA or Berenstein at great gardener, Richardson at bubbleworld, have been doing is developing that new wave Crony network.