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Phylos Bioscience sparks outrage after announcing their beginning their own breeding
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White Beard
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The ‘genome’ AIUI is still being gathered...the mapping will take the longest
The website has been offering breeding services,, how is this big news?
His words are the equivalent of Saying Monet, Renoir, and Picasso paintings are crap because they are old, HAHA
because now we have the technology and printing programs that we will produce the perfect digital pictures and are perfectly printed from our perfect computers and that old shit is well obsolete. What scrawny turd!
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izzypog
Can not blame a generation, I smoked weed since I was 13, there were a lot of us that stood up to the "man", the "suit", in entirety the rich. Between wealth and religion and the politics that comes from our debates about cannabis, one thing is clear, we were and still are being lied to, being manipulated. The current generation is dealing in the disposable idea/cause, the passing fad, and then move to the next one, my generation has been fighting this cause for a lifetime, the younger pups seem to only be visiting, trying to turn it militant, when it should never be so. Cannabis smokers are a community, a philosophy, yet with the utility of purpose, the goal peaceful outcome, yet, when it becomes about money, that is the catch, twisting perverting and polluting what was once just a social moment, a simple passing.
Just maybe if Mowgli had not been peacocking around that stage in front of those investors!
Meanwhile throwing the whole community under that bus
And how hes going to "create amazing amazing weed" but you can't do that....No, not you.....
......Not in your basement or backyard you see...that cant happen
We at phylos can do 'real breeding' and you....well, you cannot
longpause>>>> I havent grown it yet..................but we will
And it will replace all known cannabis..................It just will
Oh, hell No....since when are people lining up to listen to this crap!!!
What a sickening display.....repugnant even....downright gruesome
This is the same damn mantra that we growers have been hearing for decades from the traditional cannabis breeders of the past.
"The more things change,
The more they stay the same..."
https://www.instagram.com/p/BxQlEI4l90P/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=11v8tsp1xqm5
^^^^ A MESS@Ä FROM MOGLI HOLMES^^^^
Anyone seen this
^^^^ A MESS@Ä FROM MOGLI HOLMES^^^^
Anyone seen this
frostqueen
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"And at the same time, everything I said in that investor presentation is true."
No. It isn't. And it's painfully clear that Mowgli still just doesn't get that.
He said a few things in particular that are pure bullshit: that you couldn't do effective breeding as a small farmer; bragging that he had a team of PhDs that would outperform current small breeders; that their creations would replace the strains that are currently popular; and that the galaxy is anything other than overglorified unicorn skittle crap. It is a nearly worthless representation of whatever data they have collected.
His 'presentation' was just a smug arrogant marketing pitch, and now he is trying to attempt damage control... by being smug and arrogant. He embellished to potential investors and all it really showed me is that Phylos is probably having serious cash flow issues and needed to make a course change FAST.
I could go on, but I'm only a few paragraphs into it so far.
https://phylos.bio/blog/a-message-f...tement&utm_source=instagram&utm_medium=social
Here's is the whole message for those who want to read it.
dank.Frank
Here's is the whole message for those who want to read it.
dank.Frank
"I am sorrier for this than I can say. The people who feel angry and hurt have been our partners, our customers, our community, and our friends, and nothing is more important to us than their trust."
I mean, how are we suppose to screw you over without your trust??? Come on give us your Trust ...we need it
Im not sure 'sorrier' is an actual word I could check the dictionary but I'm pretty sure still find it somewhere between shit and syphilis
Toatally not sorry in the first place #1 And 100% standing behind everything he said...His own statement on the soil king Interview
He can do all the damage control and put whatever spin on this he wants
Its called showing your true colors...He has been doing that the whole time but that last presentation...wow, I get it now
Not so much about breeding but the whole whacked out wrong attitude and insane ego for no reason....You have Not Grown One Plant you F'n Retard!
Its just stupid....breed, dont breed, genomically split the goddamn atom for all I care
Fuck you Mowgli.
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I mean, how are we suppose to screw you over without your trust??? Come on give us your Trust ...we need it
Im not sure 'sorrier' is an actual word I could check the dictionary but I'm pretty sure still find it somewhere between shit and syphilis
Toatally not sorry in the first place #1 And 100% standing behind everything he said...His own statement on the soil king Interview
He can do all the damage control and put whatever spin on this he wants
Its called showing your true colors...He has been doing that the whole time but that last presentation...wow, I get it now
Not so much about breeding but the whole whacked out wrong attitude and insane ego for no reason....You have Not Grown One Plant you F'n Retard!
Its just stupid....breed, dont breed, genomically split the goddamn atom for all I care
Fuck you Mowgli.
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i've been following this at a distance, and whilst i myself have some caution about trusting big businesses, they do have to act as a business in order to survive.
It seems to me that, currently, phylos is being demonized NOT for the things they have done, but for the things they might possibly do in the future.
So perhaps all this hate is a little premature?
What promises have they broken? seems to me they promised to make their database of DNA knowledge that they gained from people's variety donations public, and they have done just that.
If i am being misguided, please can someone tell me what they have actually done wrong so far, rather than what you think they might do wrongly in the future?
thanks,
VG
It seems to me that, currently, phylos is being demonized NOT for the things they have done, but for the things they might possibly do in the future.
So perhaps all this hate is a little premature?
What promises have they broken? seems to me they promised to make their database of DNA knowledge that they gained from people's variety donations public, and they have done just that.
If i am being misguided, please can someone tell me what they have actually done wrong so far, rather than what you think they might do wrongly in the future?
thanks,
VG
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izzypog
Yet, they(Phylos) circumvent any financial restitution to those that "donate" their genetic stock......sounds like a shell game to me, legal word salad. In other words, they can cut everyone who was generous enough to give freely their genetic stock, leaving Phylos to no financial obligation. If you can not see it........
Rico Swazi
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its happened before
while the cannabis community is fixated on one particular company, another comes out of the shadows, acquires that company, in this case phylos, then changes the name to stave off lawsuits. (think bayer-monsanto merger)
Syngenta and Biotech Institute LLC are two that come to mind
I fear this will not be the last time cannabis growers will be outraged
The call for big business to partake of the green rush is deafening and will drown out any collective voice for individual rights and fairness.
Can't see it going any other way as too much money is on the table for the company with the best lawyers.
while the cannabis community is fixated on one particular company, another comes out of the shadows, acquires that company, in this case phylos, then changes the name to stave off lawsuits. (think bayer-monsanto merger)
Syngenta and Biotech Institute LLC are two that come to mind
I fear this will not be the last time cannabis growers will be outraged
The call for big business to partake of the green rush is deafening and will drown out any collective voice for individual rights and fairness.
Can't see it going any other way as too much money is on the table for the company with the best lawyers.
If you donate genetic material for their public DNA database, why would you expect financial restitution?
It seems to me that a lot of folks are expecting them to build a wonder strain from dna like you might build something out of lego or meccano, and afaik that isn't possible.
plus i asked what they had actually done wrong already, and you are talking about something they might do in the future.
dont get me wrong i don;t blame people for being cynical, they may well do something unsavory i don't know, but to hate on them for something they haven't done yet seems to be reflecting the prejudice of the suspicious growers as much as anything else.
the science around cannabis growing and genetics has certainly been hampered by its legal status, and companies with the resources to take it further may have benefits for the plant as well as possible downsides.
I live in the UK so we are way behind the legal cannabis game still, so i may be missing something, but reading most of these posts, it is hard for me to understand what they have actually done wrong so far except talk to possible big investor in their own language - which will be different from the way they talk to other groups.
VG
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This is exactly correct. I’m not sure why anyone is surprised by this. Did anyone really think a $400 genotype test and $10 sex tests would keep a company afloat with that many employees and many PhDs at that? Even if every single one of everyone’s work we’re genotyped and every breeder ran sex tests religiously, that’s still not enough to keep them operational. They had to do this or die. (I’m not defending them, just pointing out their business model was set to fail unless they did something ‘bigger’)
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This is exactly correct. I’m not sure why anyone is surprised by this. Did anyone really think a $400 genotype test and $10 sex tests would keep a company afloat with that many employees and many PhDs at that? Even if every single one of everyone’s work we’re genotyped and every breeder ran sex tests religiously, that’s still not enough to keep them operational. They had to do this or die. (I’m not defending them, just pointing out their business model was set to fail unless they did something ‘bigger’)
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izzypog
Well VG, they did state their intent, and have said that is their plan. It is what it is, people were suckered, and now their work is someone else' profit margin, they did so through misleading people, and manipulating others to do the work for them, and they stated this. Again, it is what it is, I for one will not do business with anyone that will not be upfront with me, they lie to you, they lie about what they have, maybe they lie about other things.
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The State Of Affairs in The Great White North
Northern Lights. Pineapple Express. Blue Dream. For those who aren’t aware, each of these names refers to a popular strain of cannabis. It used to be taboo to say them out loud. But now that cannabis is rounding the home stretch and racing toward full legalization in Canada for recreational use, these strains and a whole host of others will soon be very widely known and used by consumers.
For any company that is scrambling to become part of this budding industry, the burning question is: what can be done to prevent others from stealing their intellectual property?
It’s true that Canada’s existing intellectual property laws were put in place long before the decision to legalize cannabis was approved. And, the Canadian government has no current plans to update or pass any new intellectual property laws. But this doesn’t mean the existing IP laws can’t be used effectively to protect cannabis strains in development. As with many other industries, when it comes to cannabis, what is really required is a creative legal approach.
What Can and Can’t be Patented in Cannabis Development?
Plants and other “higher life forms” by definition cannot be patented in Canada. To put it bluntly, any company trying to patent a new strain of cannabis won’t get very far, no matter how much time or money has been spent to make their case to the patent office. Despite this, there is good news regarding patenting cannabis. Most other innovations that either go into or come out of the development of a new cannabis strain can, at least theoretically, be patented. For example, this might include new:
Molecules that have been extracted from the cannabis plant
Substances that combine cannabis extracts with other ingredients
Uses of cannabis extracts in the treatment of diseases or other conditions
Methods of extracting active ingredients from cannabis plants
Devices used to consume cannabis products
So while it may not be possible to patent a new cannabis strain directly, in some cases it might be possible to achieve the same effect indirectly by focusing on a different aspect of the enterprise. These might include novel formulations for cannabis delivery which might be more efficient or efficacious.
Plant Breeder’s Rights
This is not the end of the story. Part of the reason why plants are not patentable in Canada is that they are already subject to a separate and relatively obscure regime known as Plant Breeders Rights (PBR). Before your eyes light up, significant hurdles still remain. The PBR regime provides what are considered less robust rights than patent rights, focusing instead on restricting the buying and selling of protected varieties, seeds, or any other type of propagating material of a protected variety, without the permission of the breeder. A breeder must still be able to provide sufficient evidence of infringement to such rights. In addition, PBR protection, much like the patent regime, imposes a number of conditions on plant varieties that must be satisfied before any rights are granted. Most importantly, a plant variety must be new, distinct, uniform, and stable. It remains to be seen how these requirements will play out for cannabis strains trying to qualify for protection. Currently the Canadian Food Inspection Agency lists one pending application for PBR protection. But some early indications are that, at least for existing strains, the bar may be set quite high.
Consider Trademarking Your Product Name
Whether your company is growing plants, selling products or developing new medical indications, the value of a strong brand shouldn’t be lost in the weeds. The three strains mentioned at the outset of this post are arguably great examples of product branding. Each brand name is highly evocative and distinctive in its own way – in other words, ideal for registration as a trademark. It doesn’t matter that the brand names might have been in use for years because, unlike patents and PBRs, there is no requirement that a trademark be “new.” So long as a trademark is sufficiently distinctive, it should qualify for protection.
Having advised clients in intellectual property protection across multiple industries, it’s clear they all share one common trait: claimants must be proactive when it comes to understanding, acquiring, and ultimately enforcing their rights. It is no different for new entrants to the cannabis industry. Some efforts may result in essential IP protection; while other efforts may prove to be vain. My advice is to be proactive about protecting your IP and brand trademarks in this fast-growing industry. Because one thing is for sure. Any company that just sits back and does nothing will at some point see their intellectual property go, well, up in smoke.
Source: https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=03704fbe-716a-4f55-b1f0-a63eccb321a7
RMS
The State Of Affairs in The Great White North
Northern Lights. Pineapple Express. Blue Dream. For those who aren’t aware, each of these names refers to a popular strain of cannabis. It used to be taboo to say them out loud. But now that cannabis is rounding the home stretch and racing toward full legalization in Canada for recreational use, these strains and a whole host of others will soon be very widely known and used by consumers.
For any company that is scrambling to become part of this budding industry, the burning question is: what can be done to prevent others from stealing their intellectual property?
It’s true that Canada’s existing intellectual property laws were put in place long before the decision to legalize cannabis was approved. And, the Canadian government has no current plans to update or pass any new intellectual property laws. But this doesn’t mean the existing IP laws can’t be used effectively to protect cannabis strains in development. As with many other industries, when it comes to cannabis, what is really required is a creative legal approach.
What Can and Can’t be Patented in Cannabis Development?
Plants and other “higher life forms” by definition cannot be patented in Canada. To put it bluntly, any company trying to patent a new strain of cannabis won’t get very far, no matter how much time or money has been spent to make their case to the patent office. Despite this, there is good news regarding patenting cannabis. Most other innovations that either go into or come out of the development of a new cannabis strain can, at least theoretically, be patented. For example, this might include new:
Molecules that have been extracted from the cannabis plant
Substances that combine cannabis extracts with other ingredients
Uses of cannabis extracts in the treatment of diseases or other conditions
Methods of extracting active ingredients from cannabis plants
Devices used to consume cannabis products
So while it may not be possible to patent a new cannabis strain directly, in some cases it might be possible to achieve the same effect indirectly by focusing on a different aspect of the enterprise. These might include novel formulations for cannabis delivery which might be more efficient or efficacious.
Plant Breeder’s Rights
This is not the end of the story. Part of the reason why plants are not patentable in Canada is that they are already subject to a separate and relatively obscure regime known as Plant Breeders Rights (PBR). Before your eyes light up, significant hurdles still remain. The PBR regime provides what are considered less robust rights than patent rights, focusing instead on restricting the buying and selling of protected varieties, seeds, or any other type of propagating material of a protected variety, without the permission of the breeder. A breeder must still be able to provide sufficient evidence of infringement to such rights. In addition, PBR protection, much like the patent regime, imposes a number of conditions on plant varieties that must be satisfied before any rights are granted. Most importantly, a plant variety must be new, distinct, uniform, and stable. It remains to be seen how these requirements will play out for cannabis strains trying to qualify for protection. Currently the Canadian Food Inspection Agency lists one pending application for PBR protection. But some early indications are that, at least for existing strains, the bar may be set quite high.
Consider Trademarking Your Product Name
Whether your company is growing plants, selling products or developing new medical indications, the value of a strong brand shouldn’t be lost in the weeds. The three strains mentioned at the outset of this post are arguably great examples of product branding. Each brand name is highly evocative and distinctive in its own way – in other words, ideal for registration as a trademark. It doesn’t matter that the brand names might have been in use for years because, unlike patents and PBRs, there is no requirement that a trademark be “new.” So long as a trademark is sufficiently distinctive, it should qualify for protection.
Having advised clients in intellectual property protection across multiple industries, it’s clear they all share one common trait: claimants must be proactive when it comes to understanding, acquiring, and ultimately enforcing their rights. It is no different for new entrants to the cannabis industry. Some efforts may result in essential IP protection; while other efforts may prove to be vain. My advice is to be proactive about protecting your IP and brand trademarks in this fast-growing industry. Because one thing is for sure. Any company that just sits back and does nothing will at some point see their intellectual property go, well, up in smoke.
Source: https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=03704fbe-716a-4f55-b1f0-a63eccb321a7
RMS
i still don't understand why a plant can be patented,i mean once you sold me seeds or cuts then i bought the right to do whatever i want with said seeds but selling them.
monsanto says you can't use your harvest for next year crop?fuck'em unless i signed a paper that says otherwise and i wouldn't buy those corn seeds anyway.
farmers here share new cherry cultivars for free,needless to say these new cultivars are totally tasteless and to people that know best worthless compared to old varieties.
We all know the vast majority of the modern strains share common origins despite of being renamed.And some sort of copyright issue means shit while most of us still risk jail for a plant.
monsanto says you can't use your harvest for next year crop?fuck'em unless i signed a paper that says otherwise and i wouldn't buy those corn seeds anyway.
farmers here share new cherry cultivars for free,needless to say these new cultivars are totally tasteless and to people that know best worthless compared to old varieties.
We all know the vast majority of the modern strains share common origins despite of being renamed.And some sort of copyright issue means shit while most of us still risk jail for a plant.
You are referring to their intention to do some cannabis breeding?
I think the rights and the wrongs of that depend on what they use in their breeding program, its results, and how/if they profit from or exploit those results.
Most breeders start a breeding program using strains that they didn't breed themselves.
i'm kind of playing devil's advocate here, but i do think that so far the anger is somewhat premature.
VG
I think the rights and the wrongs of that depend on what they use in their breeding program, its results, and how/if they profit from or exploit those results.
Most breeders start a breeding program using strains that they didn't breed themselves.
i'm kind of playing devil's advocate here, but i do think that so far the anger is somewhat premature.
VG
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