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Photo Manipulation..is it Art?

DoobieDuck

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How wonderful to wake up this morning to so many great thinkers and ideas. First may I thank Doc and Lizard for their fine examples. Lizard I'm going to have to look into some of that HDR. Cool..and work that is cool sells. Also I appreciate everyone working so well together here, not bashing one another..feels good Brothers.
....Surly any 'alteration' is subject to another's Judgment, and attitudes from which the revelation(photo) brings...Does altered meaning, contain meaning still???..

Mr. A I put your quote first as it contains the essence of what we all are doing here in this thread..IE:"subject to anothers judgement.

....I'm sure there is some serious artist out there somewhere that will end doing something with one click stuff and the art community will go absolutely bananas over it.

Supa kind of my point and part of my issue with the "one Click" art. There are many doing this as we speak. I'm bothered when a image that someone else created with their years of experience with-in it, is manipulated so easily by, let's say in this case, someone with very little talent or knowledge. Then that work receives such high praise and sometime big bucks $$. But if it weren't for that how would new mediums get developed, recognized, then honed into a skill and skilled works...more about this in my last segment in this post.

Now I say, look at Andy Warhol ... how about it's now $1.8 million price tag?
To me, the only thing that matters in the art world is the appreciation..... appreciation of the viewer and the self appreciation of the artist involved.

You got it Bro..if peeps like it they'll buy it..no matter how it is produced or by who.

The manipulation of someone else's image/photo ,, without their permission,, is a form of plagiarism. However many Artists are happy for their work to be used by fellow Artists,..What is Art? is one of the first questions of the philosopher... since it has few definitive answers. Peace

Doc thanks for the plagiarism thought, mirrors mine sir. More about the "happy' comment below.


Doobie, you might want to consider networking with some local artists (or even online) and letting them re-create your photography in their preferred medium.

Mr. Bo, Doc, and Supa..I have colaborated with several artist in my career. In one case, many years ago, I sold my image copyright to a very talented artist.

A pair of quail in the snow, one of the best images I think I've ever captured. I think that because of what I had to learn first about the species, then for the time it took me to capture it. These birds only puff out like this when it is very cold, this day it was 12 degrees. They also need to be completely undisturbed, which I found out, is almost impossible.
I layed in a blind I build for hours, for days, almost the entire winter. One day it happened, the lighting, the set up, the Bokeh, everything came together and I got the below image.

She then painted the most beautiful work from it you could imagine, capturing every detail in her adaptation . It is still, years later, her best selling print at the shows she attends. It is certainly responsible for her fame and some of her fortune. The print was also featured on the front cover of a major aviary magazine. A magazine that I had submitted images to several times, including this image. The magazine wrote me back after that submission and told me “your work does not represent what we do”.
Then a couple years later her work was published on the cover along with a feature story inside. I feel so fortunate to have met her and developed our relationship. I feel so good inside for what she has accomplished, in part from my image. Her and I are close friends still and working on a hummingbird release.

I’m constantly emailing artist that do cannabis offering my copyrights but have had no interest yet. I’m developing a site to sell my prints, I’m selling to collectives and dispensaries, and working on a book. But all that takes bucks up front, I’m on disability and bucks are slim.




My image:

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"One Click" art with software purchased for this thread..Cheers
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lizard , those are some awesome images. I especially like the first one of the group.

DD the quail image is really nice, someone really missed out on using a great image for the viewers of their publication.

Doc, your butterfly images are very visually stimulating, they give a warm feeling.
 

DocLeaf

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Photographing insect,, especially butterflies is a hobby of mine,, the inspiration of which, and play on the words fritillary, gave birth to the name of our seed collective.

Whilst some of these images have been manipulated or 'set up' for the purpose of advertising,,

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the others are left to simply display their own natural beauty, splondor and energy

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This is an interesting topic :yes:

peace n flower power ppl
dL :joint:
 

DoobieDuck

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..another example

..another example

Doc setting up an image is quite different than manipulating one IMO. Nice bugs..they're tough! Remember some of my early images in these forums? Here's one from the archives:
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..it ^^ took a great deal of set up, special lens, and lighting.

..and another "one click" art example..this type work can be very useful as graphic design, print ads, etc. I'm going to work on some cartoon like images next. DD

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Stress_test

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Yeah I am still up in the air about this issue.
I take a lot of pictures now. It's a hobby I began after I sold a newspaper I owned. Over the years of editing and taking pictures for the paper, I had all the camera equipment and software so it was easy to continue the hobby.

I don't know though... Once a guy manipulated a digital I took and entered it into a contest and even won. He gave me credit for the original pic but it was his tricks/knowledge and artistic ability with the software that created the actual "art" piece that won the contest.

If I take 2 photos for a project and then find another that I can edit and use combined with my own 2 pics, is it art?

I mean I have bought dozens of digital pictures with ideas in mind. I chop em, filter em and manipulate them, they usually turn out completely different than what I purchased. But am I the artist? Or is the person who took the original pic?

This image is one I created for a client a couple of years ago with 3 other options. This one wasn't selected by the client so it still belongs to me. Anyway it is constructed of 2 different photos of my own that have been digitally altered, and a 3rd (magnification of the moon) which was purchased.

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lizard_9

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Another HDR in an old 12th century church.
Still 3 bracketed shots +-2

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guest5703

What do you mean by bracketed Lizard? I'm assuming you have three different exposure times, is that what bracketing means? Sweet pics too! Maybe we should start an HDR thread!!! Call it, shrooming without shrooming....lol
 

GMT

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I've played with both photomatix progs myself recently. The spot correction tool in photoshop is very handy at removing the watermark from the free trial lol.
I found it hard to get the right level of difference in my shots. Thereagain my bracketing function is limited to -1 0 +1. And limited to 3 shots. So I have to set the 3 / 5 different exposure lengths manually. And there I get slight cam movements creeping in. I know these can be corrected in the more expensive photomatix edition, but its a lot of work. I recently bought an infra red filter, as some of the IR HDR work I've seen is stunning. But I havent managed to pull anything of value through that filter yet.
 

lizard_9

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What do you mean by bracketed Lizard? I'm assuming you have three different exposure times, is that what bracketing means? Sweet pics too! Maybe we should start an HDR thread!!! Call it, shrooming without shrooming....lol

Yes, this means there are 3 exposures (-2, 0, +2), bracketing mean they are high speed shot one after another.
Shrooming without shrooming sounds good mate ^^

As GMT said, some cameras are limited to -1, +1 for bracketing exposure, but it gives good results anyway.

The more shots you take, the better the final picture will be, more contrasted, more dynamic.

These days i am testing 5 exposures, this time i use the exposure corrector manually (-2, -1, 0, +1, +2).
This is gonna be awesome :artist:

Peace
 

Mr. Alkaline

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I don't like glamor magazines that airbrush the famous faces....to me it's deception and greed.
 

bird

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i agree with Mr. A that stuff is not art. but things like what DD and other on here that is art
 

Madrus Rose

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was thinking DJ/mixes was a good parallel to the theme here , techno manipulation of sound & rythm...musical collage .

Nice way that mix starts out , how it emerges out of heart of the jungle , the well of creation and a Sunrise of the Subconscious ! Love the Vibes, flutes, diggery doobies & human voices chanting & the electric flying native image is sweet lot of rythms & many changes ..the way tis sposed to be , very nicely adorned evolving rythmic weaves .

Lots of clean technique..& really feels they're having fun.
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Excellent , tx for that will def save

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PS: Why work when you can be a slave to ART!!
 
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guest5703

I want to go take some shots but its freakin raining the past 3 days!! GRRRR
 
All the artist can do is make the effort. It's up to the audience to decide whether or not a thing is "art".

Theres an old saying that I like: If you can piss in it, it's a craft, if you have to piss on it, it's art. The good news is that by this definition your manipulated photos are definitely art! :artist:
 

lizard_9

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I took these ones about 10 days ago.
Still the same multiple exposure method and tone mapping with high microcontrast.

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