Diary PCBuds mini-grow

[PCBuds]

She's looking pretty good today and is about 17.5" tall.

My RH is actually in the yellow of the VPD chart, but I've had the door open a few times, so the RH dropped a bit.

 

[f-e]

I was mixed up with Turbidity and was going to check my reservoir for floaters. Lol

Turd'idity? lol

People do grow at 40%, and less. You can't get the plant too active though. Lots of light will bring about collapse. As it increases the respiration requirement.

 

[PCBuds]

Turd'idity? lol

People do grow at 40%, and less. You can't get the plant too active though. Lots of light will bring about collapse. As it increases the respiration requirement.

Awesome! Thanks f-e

So I noticed that if I keep the temperature below 18°C I can be in the yellow/green of the chart at around 40% RH, so I'm not too far off.

Lots of light will bring about collapse. As it increases the respiration requirement.

So, I assume that you mean both a physical collapse of the plant itself, as well as the collapse of its biological systems?

When I first cranked the lights to maximum, my plant REALLY collapsed, and I'm pretty sure that I would have killed it if I left the lights turned all the way up.

So, in an effort to reduce her respiration requirements, I've decided to remove her two biggest fan leaves.

They simply aren't needed as far as I figure it, and they were creating huge respiration.
I figure that the plant was doing its best to restrict the fluid flow but wasting her resources trying to shut them down.

Perhaps that's why the stems were purpling? It's a sign that the leaves were being shut down?


I'm going to remove the others fan leaves too, but I'll give her a day or two to recover from her amputation, then just two at a time.


I'll see if she waits a bit longer before flaking out before bedtime tonight.

Turd'idity? lol

Speaking of turdy water...
I remember putting molasses in my water for the calcium and magnesium and figured it might help feed my bennies as well.

I was supposed to use 1/2 teaspoon but figured that a full Tablespoon would only be better.


My reservoir of my planter started stinking like sewage. Lol

I use calmag now.
It doesn't rot but I'm pretty it would poison my plant if I poured the whole damn bottle in, so I'll try not to do that. Lol

 

[exploziv]

Yeah man but then at 18C the plant photosyntesis and growth will be minimal. Plants stop growing at about 5-10 degrees C, so at 18C you aren't as good as you might think, even with perfect vpd.
Actually what is happening with your plants is very weird to me, I've grown lots of plants before in low humidity and I never had them like that, unless they needed water. And that seems its not the case here. So dunno what is happening, bro!

 

[PCBuds]

Yeah man but then at 18C the plant photosyntesis and growth will be minimal. Plants stop growing at about 5-10 degrees C, so at 18C you aren't as good as you might think, even with perfect vpd.

Well, it is going to get warmer as I turn up the lights. We'll see what happens with the RH when that happens.

Actually what is happening with your plants is very weird to me, I've grown lots of plants before in low humidity and I never had them like that, unless they needed water. And that seems its not the case here. So dunno what is happening, bro!

I checked out my thread were I grew that big plant, and the plant did look very similar...

This was that plant at 30 days old...

This was ReikoX's response. Lol

This was that plant at 32 days old...

So, I'm having about the same results this time with my plant, except the last plant didn't collapse when I turned up the lights to maximum.
It just got a bit droopy.

I don't know what the difference is except that my current plant appeared to be more squat and have more foliage.


I think that I'm on the right track towards growing a similar plant, but this current plant seems to be a bit behind.
My current plant is 34 days old today.

 

[f2obsession]

Yeah man but then at 18C the plant photosyntesis and growth will be minimal. Plants stop growing at about 5-10 degrees C, so at 18C you aren't as good as you might think, even with perfect vpd.
Actually what is happening with your plants is very weird to me, I've grown lots of plants before in low humidity and I never had them like that, unless they needed water. And that seems its not the case here. So dunno what is happening, bro!

I think its really "tiredness" because of the extreme high brightness. I have a very small box for young clones with 4000 lumen of GU10 leds. Relatively strong lighting for clones, wich are just started to grow. In that box fresh clones do the same every day for the last 1-2 hours of bright phase. After the light switches on again, they get perky in about 15 minutes.

On the other hand, me either wonder PC-Buds's unique methods working out so well all the time. For exaple recycled medium with dead roots in it. In my experience its a very good invitation for masses of fungus flies, and sometimes pythium joins the party. For him, it works well. Other example: Doing vegetative grow in 30-40% RH results a very slow growth to me, with narrow and small leaves. For him, big indica like leaves, and pretty fast growth for an organic ( I mean non Hydro) grow. And earlier there were a lot of unorthodox experiments (sip tank under the pot without bubbler, technically a semi-DWC with non oxigenized water, not even protected from light), and it worked. Even if those underwater roots definitely shoud have rot the hell out... I love this diary

 

[aliceklar]

Cant offer you any expertise on the lights issue, but remember that spider I relocated from my bath the other day? Its made a nice happy home for itself waaaay up in the top corner above the lights. Already eating its first meal (housefly found its way in.. my cupboard isnt sealed, apart from light-proofing round the flower space, so I am happy if well-behaved predators set up shop in quiet spaces. Of course, they all get evicted come spring clean...

 

[Sampas92]

We need Dr. Bruce Bugbee to see this to read what he thinks

Peace

 

[PCBuds]

I think its really "tiredness" because of the extreme high brightness.

I don't know why this plant is getting so tired compared to that other plant.
I did everything exactly the same way as far as I can tell.

Perhaps this one had a better start and grew more foliage which reacted more intensely to the increase in light.

But I'm not going to remove anymore leaves.
I think she might just be slow and need more time.
I removed the fan leaves from my last plant and it ended up pretty sparse.

... For exaple recycled medium with dead roots in it. In my experience its a very good invitation for masses of fungus flies, and sometimes pythium joins the party.

I'm thinking it's the soil mites doing their thing to protect their turf.
And they are a single investment and get reused with every grow.
They don't die off and are a preventative medicine.

... Doing vegetative grow in 30-40% RH results a very slow growth to me, with narrow and small leaves. For him, big indica like leaves, and pretty fast growth for an organic ( I mean non Hydro) grow.

A big part of that is probably ReikoX's seeds.
Thanks again @ReikoX...

I love this diary

Thanks f2

I was worried that I might get banned for being a jackass and doing all kinds of dumb shit.

 

[PCBuds]

... Of course, they all get evicted come spring clean...

I hope you set them free outside and don't squish them.
You might get PETA on your case. Lol

 

[PCBuds]

We need Dr. Bruce Bugbee to see this to read what he thinks

Peace

That would be too cool !!
That guy's my hero !

I can help him design all kinds of ridiculous experiments. Lol

 

[aliceklar]

I hope you set them free outside and don't squish them.
You might get PETA on your case. Lol

hehe, no, I never knowingly squish spiders. Just move them away from where they might get hurt - preferably somewhere thats a decent environment for them. Love em.

 

[PCBuds]

I checked the CO2 level on the floor of the closet and at the surface of the soil.
The floor was reading much lower at 555 and the soil was reading 875.

The one-way valve for the pail is on the lid, and the lid is a few inches below the table with the valve close to the corner under the fan.

The fan is in the corner blowing almost straight up, so it must be pulling the CO2 up off of the pail and into the grow space.

 

[Itsmychoice]

I have not read everything but my advice is simple. Get a flower pot with drain holes sitting up off the bottom of the cooler and siphon outside the pot. Make your water temp 20-23.5., ph your water to 6.5, raise the temp in your grow area and raise your humidity for the first month. Mold is not a worry in early flower and the best way to avoid it is to keep the room clean and do some preventative sprays.

 

[PCBuds]

I have not read everything but my advice is simple. Get a flower pot with drain holes sitting up off the bottom of the cooler and siphon outside the pot. Make your water temp 20-23.5., ph your water to 6.5, raise the temp in your grow area and raise your humidity for the first month. Mold is not a worry in early flower and the best way to avoid it is to keep the room clean and do some preventative sprays.

I like my SIP container.
It's been working great for me.
I'm lazy and don't like cleaning.

I'm just going to keep doing what has been working.
It ain't broke. I don't need to fix it.

I think that I'll stop growing in the closet during the summer.
I'll just grow outside.

 

[Itsmychoice]

It is broke but that would be the argument if it was working

 

[PCBuds]

I'm pretty much convinced that I won't get mold with this plant because I'm growing in the winter.
That has been my experience.
I've not had mold during the winter.

We'll see how it goes...

 

[PCBuds]

.... Mold is not a worry in early flower and the best way to avoid it is to keep the room clean and do some preventative sprays.

I bought another circulation fan that I intend to turn on during flower to increase airflow in the closet.

My buds turn out to be really dense and there is little airflow through the buds.

That should help with mold problem.

 

[PCBuds]

She's lookin good...

I have flowers starting, so I thought that I'd measure them to see if it's time to transition to bloom nutes.

I looked everywhere, but I couldn't find a dime.
I found a penny though.

Canada canceled pennies and nickels years ago.
I wonder why?
Like I don't know how to melt a penny. Lol

It might cost me 2 bucks worth of MAP gas to melt it, but it's worth it !!

It's the principle that counts. Lol

I've got this too to help fight off mold.

Thanks ReikoX for the help with that.

 

[PCBuds]

I think that I just thought up my next experiment?

It's been said that I've flowered a plant for 200 days, but I've only grown a plant for 16 weeks.

What if I grow this plant until May 1st?

That's 153 days from the start until then.



I don't want to grow inside in the summer, but I want to start my summer time outdoor plant inside on May 1st, then transplant it outside on May 24, after the last frost.

That sounds good to me right now, (but I'm wasted again.)


My closet plant can grow right through the dry season without so much threat from mold.