passive plant killer

[daggerinmyback]

HOLY SHIT!!! and I read all of this thread, insanity I tell you... I am not really secure with pics and how to put them on here(isp actually documents and monitors uploads and DL's, you know that invisible terrorist boogeyman (and music pirating) that takes all our freedoms away by use of ourselves and our government, damn high speed web)
and where I am simple possession of tiny amount of our favorite flower is mandatory 90 days in jail plus license suspended plus DUI classes plus other shit so safe and secure is better (I will upload pics later when I am out of town and get new camera I can use, damn techno-crap billion settings and shit I cant understand(whatever happened to point and click?)

I'm just saying like a mPPK or PPK coco and jacks and plug a very well rooted and flushed clean clone from a 16 oz soil/coco/perlite mix and plug it in (transplant) do you think that would stay alive and grow? and stay PPK hassle free, or would the soil/stuff in it affect the pH balance or nutes in jacks etc?

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

Dagger: The only concern that I can see would follow from soil having fundamentally different mositure/air qualities than coco. If you've amended your soils such that they drain and wick well, the fact that they are 'soil' shouldn't be a problem. If you flush them aggressively, most of your water soluble residuals should be gone, and in such low volumes, what ever is left really can't be that much, you know?

If your media caries too much water, though, the wick might drown your ladies.

You mentioned that your soil is coco, perlite, vermiculite amended, my guess is that you are on the okay side of things.

I may have overlooked a post, but are you going with a fabric/nylon wick out the bottom of the 16oz-ers, or are you making some super funny media straw thingy?

I ran a nylon wick out the top of a little bowl and into the bottom of a keg cup while my ladies were tiny and I had to go out of town. They drained it down entirely, but made it through the weekend just fine. Auto top off and I would have been in super-cheap 2 plant SOG wicking business.

Back on subject, you should be fine running them where in what they are in. If there is too much water in the soil (soggy), increase the air gap. Not enough? Decrease it. Once it's figured out, keep your lower reservoir level steady with a float valve, and you are in easy PPK business...

 

[oldone]

EDIT: Shit, this is post 1,000. Congratulations to D9's PPK thread for staying alive for 1K!!!!

Congrats D9, 1K and no end in sight.

For everybody else; everyone should take a moment and use that rating system for this thread at the top of the page. Maybe we can get it stickied...

 

[daggerinmyback]

thank you for the insight I forgot about all those nasty things like over-watering, lol PPK made it so simple that 2 year old Indonesian child who smokes 2 packs a day could do it...

and I would need a lot of nylon and case of bowls lol I'm gonna be gone for 5 days and have 74 clones in beer cups ranging in height from 4"-14" lol I am going to play with the soil plug on these and next will be PPK all the way I need a manifold design though for the top watering aspect I found these "sprinkler head replacements" that let you change it to a 9 line drip feed but that means I need more pumps (which with the bigger 1/2" threaded PVC caps this screws right on and fits the big pumps I use... now to just get it equal...)
the 66Gph pump cant lift the water column high enough to give enough pressure to water more than just the 9 (I added "T" barbs and splashed around my bathroom for a few hours)

but adjustable airgap time it is... and I'm going media wick, just seems easier and more stable to me, my luck I'd get toxic cloth for batting and kill everything...

and the only problem in my head with the possible mPPK's that I was thinking of was I have a lot of genetic variety in my garden, and if different cultivar uses nutes at diff rates then it could screw other cultivars up... and cause lockouts/problems, even 2 of same have diff rooting days and could potentially do that to eachother... I have a koi pond with a tight light proof cap that fits and was thinking Pond Of green PPK style till I looked at the research charts I have on my different genes... damn why do I have to order so many buckets and floats now...

 

[mugenbao]

...everyone should take a moment and use that rating system for this thread at the top of the page...

Oh... I never even knew that I could do that, thanks!

This is a fascinating thread.

.

 

[oldone]

I have a koi pond with a tight light proof cap that fits and was thinking Pond Of green PPK style till I looked at the research charts I have on my different genes

I was thinking the same thing. I read elsewhere about a grower asking if he could use a swimming pool. I thought that you could get 3" of foam and float a ppk above it. Of course if it gets windy...

OO

 

[daggerinmyback]

I like that idea as well... but alas all strains were not created equal...

and ratings! effin A!

after that im trying to find the hotel by the Valley/Vallet Hi gate at Lackland AFB its like right there at it... anyone know google and bing pull up all kinds of shit... sometimes I hate the net, then I load this page up and I'm happy again...

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

...but alas all strains were not created equal...

They might all be close enough for Jacks. Carl posted links to another grower on another forum who showed that one steady time release fert worked for a variety of strains. The fatman has claimed that 'science' shows that dope uses nutes at a ratio of 3-1-4 throughout its life cycle...

Never question the fatman. It hurts his feelings and makes him mean.

And that ratio right there, my friend, is Jacks. Run it at whatever D9 says (EC 1.8?). Done deal. One size fits all...

 

[oldone]

Obligatory IF question

Obligatory IF question

They might all be close enough for Jacks. Carl posted links to another grower on another forum who showed that one steady time release fert worked for a variety of strains. The fatman has claimed that science shows that dope uses nutes at a ratio of 3-1-4 throughout its life cycle...

And that ratio right there, my friend, is Jacks. Run it at whatever D9 says (EC 1.8?). Done deal. One size fits all...

Have you got the Jacks yet? On Order?

just bored,
OO

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

Have you got the Jacks yet? On Order?

I don't have any in my hands right now, but I may have taken action last Friday... We'll just have to see...

 

[oldone]

but I may have taken action last Friday... We'll just have to see...

groan...its like pulling teeth

 

[delta9nxs]

Hey, tanuvan! It's amazing to me how many people remember that thread on hg***. Thank you! I was going to answer the root control fabric question by referring you to IF but I see he's already answered. Anyway, welcome, and you should build one of these. It's the most stable, reliable, forgiving way to grow i've ever tried.

D9

hey carl, I think andrew olley was referring to the amount of drying out he lets occur after each watering. Except that he waters continuous drip so I don't know what he's using as a starting point for measurement. It's probably a steady state that he maintains that represents the amount of moisture in the medium if it were run at 10% less water content than full saturation.

That is such an excellent presentation. It should be a sticky in the coco section.

Andrew Olley is a practical, hands on farmer. His livelihood depends on his production. He has a lot of credibility.

Well, I leave for a while and all kinds of shit happens. 1000 replies! Wow! Thank you all very much!

I'm finally chopping the next plant today. It looks heavy.

Here are some shots of the veg area before DF'ing. After shots coming later. All of these except the big one are being routinely DF'ed about once a week.

Hey, mugenbao!

Later for now

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

Monstrous.

Looks like you wired your own ballast to socket (and assembled your own ballast?)

Light research looks like you need a cord that is rated to 600V.

Did you do the math, or just get a burly outdoor extension?

WRT the DF:

Are you getting the compact structure you are looking for out of starting early? Certainly no lack of canopy on any of those Amazons...

 

[jjfoo]

'mPPK.'

Awesome.

what is the m for?

I assume it means micro

why not uPPK? u for Mu (greek) which is a way to denote 'micro'

or maybe m means something else and I'm not following... by the way I know this isn't official or anything, just like standards

"standards are great, there are so many to choose from"

 

[oldone]

I was using mPPK for a while to distinguish my miniature PPK from D9's. Then I got lazy and forgot about it.

I've read some growers saying they were put off by the Plant Killer name. If they only knew...

OO

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

OO,

Who said that?

Where?

Where else are people taking about PPKs?

I thought it was just the seventeen of us over on this thread...

The thirteen on yours, OO...

And just you and me on mine... (If you overlook D9 telling me to clean up my garden and stuff, and iS being generally friendly... and I think jjfoo was there one time, too. But mostly just me and you.)

In the whole world.

(Although DHF mentioned it once in a 'Krusty-Revisited' thread once.)

 

[SCROG McDuck]

Jacks Fertilizer in DWC

Jacks Fertilizer in DWC

IMO, one of the important items that stand out in this thread is the jacks fertilizer..
it' been there forever, somehow D9 decides to impliment it.. sucesfully... ratio 1/.67..

I was going to start another thread about J+ in DWC and I still may
but for now.. you guys get it...

Playing with Jacks+ in DWC has led me to addbacks.
Not quite the same as using GH.
I would add X nutrients to 1 gallon of RO and presto… x ppms ..
I have a Lucas calculator! but it doesn’t work for J+ nutrients, my reservoir’s are too small..

With J+, add-backs are ‘different’ (perspective), because, it is dry and measurements and workability are still a little foreign to me.. but relatively simple.
A ratio of 1 part Jacks Pro and then .67% of the jacks value for CalNit.. (1/.67)..

Here is the long version of how I came up with this addback formula..
all help welcomed.

I believe that it may not work, exactly, for say a 20 gallon reservoir… this information is based on 5 gallon reservoir only..
The reservoir volume, I think, of a bigger reservoir
will affect PPM/volume balance.. somehow.. I'll work on that later.

Here goes: and

In a 5 gallon reservoir <and 3ml/gal sweet in initial reservoir for Ph^.

15ml Sweet + 450 Jacks Pro 5-12-26 and 305 CalNit 15.5-0-0= 755/5.6 <in that order
Delta9 does not use Sweet.. without the sweet, initial Ph starts out around 4.8.
I’ve incorporated it into only the initial reservoir mix.. Not in any add backs.

Here is my math.. don't laugh.. HAHA!!

Start at 775/5.6 (new reservoir), a week later it was 695/5.7 and down a half gallon of RO, I wanted 775/5.6ish….
added ½ gallon of RO with J+ @ 233/??Ph.. an hour later it was 628/5.8… I lost ground! DUH!

Today I sucked out a gallon of reservoir juice (645/5.7) and added back a gallon at 833J+/4.9Ph, it returned 710/5.6.. better..
I gained 65ppms… I wanted 100.. need another 35ppms..


Target - current =whatever, X 2 + current = addback ratio PPM/gal

If your reading is 670 and you want 770, the add back should be…
770 - 670 = 100 X 2 = 200 + target 670
Addback = 870Ph = 4.9-8

2 (or 1.5) times the required ‘additional nutrients’ in 5 gallon reservoir, may not be enough for a 20 gallon reservoir.
Multiply by 4! It may not be that simple.. but it might be..
Sounds like a shitty ratio now that I’m typing this, but all is open for modification. Maybe 1.5 will be better..

I’m likeing this Jacks more and more every day. Stable.
LSDs look great..

I’m fried like an egg right now.. so if there are contradictions or
unfinished sentences.. it made sense, as I’m writing this.

 

[daggerinmyback]

what is the m for?

I assume it means micro

why not uPPK? u for Mu (greek) which is a way to denote 'micro'

or maybe m means something else and I'm not following... by the way I know this isn't official or anything, just like standards

"standards are great, there are so many to choose from"

because mini sells better, the fact we have to sell this invention/compilation to the growing community astounds me, but whatever... theres: the mini skirt(Mu Skirt sounded like youre making fun and calling them a cow) and mini cooper (cause giant cooper sucked) and mini sub (cause "we are lazy fat americans" but thats just the french opinion) and then lastly the Mini PPK- Im lazy and dont wanna have to explain Mu and its origins, Im sure there are many other mini's in the world, the only mini that sucks is mini candy bars, and that mini text Mcduck posted in LOL hurts the eyes

on the up side of things building has killed my hands and add that with chop/trim of a few tall skinny ones(stripped for clones) and I have blisters now, but also a closet of goodies in the works now too...

 

[jjfoo]

oh, I didn't know m was for mini
now I do

by the way, I'm not put off by the words plant killer... I appreciate good sarcasm

killer is slang for good, nice, great, etc, so I'll just think of the ppk as a 'killer' system
as in kills other systems when it comes to complexity. By complexity, I mean steps involved in getting from baby plant to buds


I've just set up some 5 gal buckets with tailpieces from home depot. I have no bottom and four 5/8 holes in them. I push the coco to the bottom and it doesn't seem like it will wash out...

 

[jjfoo]

IMO, one of the important items that stand out in this thread is the jacks fertilizer..

Yea, I was in the process of trying to make my own nutes from all the singel ingredients (ala fatman). Now I'm totally content with Jacks. I like the fact that I am not paying to ship water.