passive plant killer

[knna]

Impressive monster, D9! Im amazed!

Myself, an humble metric system grower, have problems converting oz to g, but I believe its more than 1/2kg of dry bud for a single indoor plant.

Ive read the thread from the begginning and I just can say, props for working out the PPK system so well. A minimal manteinance system at least as productive as any other can be. Combined with defoliation, that again seems to works at least as well for vertical lighting than horizontal. I would say that it works better yet this way.

Keep on this great work!

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

D9,

Thanks for the numbers and rationale.

I agree that I may be encouraging root growth down the sump, and have resolved to fabric the top of it to try and reduce that tendency. If my p.w.t is at 1.5", and I'm running a four inch air gap, my p.w.t will be outside of the mass of the roots regardless of the diameter... unless I misunderstand the hydro-dynamics behind a p.w.t....

My buckets are built.

If you feel that I am making a gross mistake, I'll follow your lead and give up a day before transplant.

That Sweet Tooth is a monster. Great work.

 

[delta9nxs]

Impressive monster, D9! Im amazed!

Myself, an humble metric system grower, have problems converting oz to g, but I believe its more than 1/2kg of dry bud for a single indoor plant.

Ive read the thread from the begginning and I just can say, props for working out the PPK system so well. A minimal manteinance system at least as productive as any other can be. Combined with defoliation, that again seems to works at least as well for vertical lighting than horizontal. I would say that it works better yet this way.

Keep on this great work!

hi, knna, nice to hear from you! thank you for the compliment!

you are one of my favorite people in the online cannabis community. your contributions to indoor growing, especially in the area of lighting, are unmatched. i have learned a lot from you.

your friend, d9

 

[delta9nxs]

D9,

Thanks for the numbers and rationale.

I agree that I may be encouraging root growth down the sump, and have resolved to fabric the top of it to try and reduce that tendency. If my p.w.t is at 1.5", and I'm running a four inch air gap, my p.w.t will be outside of the mass of the roots regardless of the diameter... unless I misunderstand the hydro-dynamics behind a p.w.t....

My buckets are built.

If you feel that I am making a gross mistake, I'll follow your lead and give up a day before transplant.

That Sweet Tooth is a monster. Great work.

hey, IF, try it, it will probably work fine. i just know that it is larger than it needs to be. but not much larger and it probably won't hurt performance. you are right on the principles.

i've been growing this same cut for a long time and it's funny how as i get better it gets better too.

i guess everything went just right with this plant. i've whacked one since that is nowhere near as large. i don't have weight yet as it's still drying.

with the 4" air gap you must intend to top water also. i know you have pumps already from your previous efforts. the pulse system is super reliable. no clogging and low maintenance.

good luck and i'm really looking forward to your grow.

thank you! d9

 

[SnowGro]

Ask and you shall receive.
Before:


After:


The scraggly little beast in the before is the one visible on the left in the after.(Two plants in that chamber) About 15 days between pics.
There's more in my album for a larger overview.

For scale, the blue pot is 7" tall and the cab is 4' high.

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

4x4 panda room set up, 2 stacked 600s in cool tubes.
Plants transplanted.
Operating (float-valve controlled) air gap ~3.5".
Pulse watering system during light cycle (20/4) at 5 sec per hour.

Camera MIA.

Not long enough for things to go wrong... but things look awesome(ly hacked together).

Pretty excited.

 

[cactusjack]

Hey Delta!

Cactusjack is back. Back from over 3 months of travel with only company computer access along the way so I wasn't able to keep up on the forums. Also no laptop this trip since I had to go overseas for a while and it really sucks taking one through customs these days.

Looks like you've been pretty busy... nearly 50 pages of seriously interesting ppk thread! Congrats!

While gone my wife tended our sole ppk running 80/20 turface/coco, sub-irrigation only with FNB nutes. All she had to do was add nutes to the supply reservoir once a week, plus complete what turned out to be a very nice job of LST. From all accounts the plant was beautiful thanks to the robust, bulletproof operation of the ppk. No pH or nute problems. It was her first time running a grow and she did great. Over 6 ounces from 330 watts on her first try. She also took her first shot at trimming the harvest and did a better job than I've ever done. Who knew?

BTW - This last assignment was my LAST ASSIGNMENT! I've now officially retired! Going to take a few months to start a new strain (DJ Short: Blueberry+NL5). I'll be flowering the clones in 100% Atami coco ppks with bottom irrigation and pulse top feed as you've demonstrated. Can't wait.

Oh ya - When I got home my wife showed me the new plant she had started about a month ago. "What the hell?!" It was all chopped up with most of its fan leaves missing. It turns out she has also started cruising the forums, read your entire ppk thread, then went to the "defoliation" thread you referenced. Wow! Looks like another great find! She's a step ahead of me now, but then, I guess she always has been. Wouldn't have it any other way!

 

[*mistress*]

final dry weight of closely manicured bud is 18.38 oz's.

 

[delta9nxs]

Ask and you shall receive.
Before:


After:


The scraggly little beast in the before is the one visible on the left in the after.(Two plants in that chamber) About 15 days between pics.
There's more in my album for a larger overview.

For scale, the blue pot is 7" tall and the cab is 4' high.

hey, i hope i didn't cause you to have to move that big cabinet unnecessarily. i was just trying to see the overall health of your plant. it's hard to tell from the photos but it has put on significant growth.

you went with 100% perlite? is the perlite moist feeling at the top? what did the depth of the medium turn out to be?

i don't see how people can grow in these tight places, it's like an art form. sort of like bonsai. the smallest thing i've grown in was a closet.

are you going to defoliate? it would help contain the plant.

later

 

[delta9nxs]

4x4 panda room set up, 2 stacked 600s in cool tubes.
Plants transplanted.
Operating (float-valve controlled) air gap ~3.5".
Pulse watering system during light cycle (20/4) at 5 sec per hour.

Camera MIA.

Not long enough for things to go wrong... but things look awesome(ly hacked together).

Pretty excited.

looks like you are ready to rock! how much water is delivered in that 5 sec burst and how are you timing it?

 

[delta9nxs]

Hey Delta!

Cactusjack is back. Back from over 3 months of travel with only company computer access along the way so I wasn't able to keep up on the forums. Also no laptop this trip since I had to go overseas for a while and it really sucks taking one through customs these days.

Looks like you've been pretty busy... nearly 50 pages of seriously interesting ppk thread! Congrats!

While gone my wife tended our sole ppk running 80/20 turface/coco, sub-irrigation only with FNB nutes. All she had to do was add nutes to the supply reservoir once a week, plus complete what turned out to be a very nice job of LST. From all accounts the plant was beautiful thanks to the robust, bulletproof operation of the ppk. No pH or nute problems. It was her first time running a grow and she did great. Over 6 ounces from 330 watts on her first try. She also took her first shot at trimming the harvest and did a better job than I've ever done. Who knew?

BTW - This last assignment was my LAST ASSIGNMENT! I've now officially retired! Going to take a few months to start a new strain (DJ Short: Blueberry+NL5). I'll be flowering the clones in 100% Atami coco ppks with bottom irrigation and pulse top feed as you've demonstrated. Can't wait.

Oh ya - When I got home my wife showed me the new plant she had started about a month ago. "What the hell?!" It was all chopped up with most of its fan leaves missing. It turns out she has also started cruising the forums, read your entire ppk thread, then went to the "defoliation" thread you referenced. Wow! Looks like another great find! She's a step ahead of me now, but then, I guess she always has been. Wouldn't have it any other way!

hey, man, good to hear from you! i was about to send out a search party. i thought we would probably find you somewhere in the amazon dressed in rags with an unkempt beard and long hair, hitting on a fatty, a big pile of weed in front of you, surrounded by 20 ft pot plants. just sitting there, saying "oh yeah, oh yeah", repeatedly.

wow, 6 zips from 330 watts! grown by someone who has never grown before. this makes me feel like i have accomplished something.

what kind of light did you use?

congrats on your retirement, i retired the first half of my life.

you must have freaked when you saw that defoliated plant for the first time. they are not pretty.

next time you should go to 100% coco in a drilled out container using the jack's hydro formula.

please let me know when you start building.

later

 

[Carl Carlson]

jack's wife sounds really cool

 

[delta9nxs]

hi, i'm still in shock from what this plant yielded. i thought it was going to come out around 15. it took about 6 hrs for two people to trim. and we are fast.

it completely fills a 2.5 gal rubbermaid storage tote. you have to push bud down to close the lid.

this is the plant i said would be a record breaker. i left all bud sites on it and we did get tired of trimming small buds but, due to defoliation, instead of fluff they turned into nice little buds. a lot of them, about the size of a marble, hard and dense, and, obviously, several oz's of them.

 

[delta9nxs]

jack's wife sounds really cool

yeah, i got one too! she followed me home one day and i decided to keep her.

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

D9: "looks like you are ready to rock! how much water is delivered in that 5 sec burst and how are you timing it?"

~2.5-3 oz. per pulse controlled by a Green Air Cyclestat II (just another expensive piece of equipment sitting on a shelf).

Just transplanted out of 20oz cups, so I'm top feeding to establish a root zone. Plan is to give it a week or so, and then reduce to three hour feeds... although coco is squeeze to drip wet. Maybe I'll back it off to a three hour schedule and see if I can dry out the medium a bit.

Thanks for your time,

Best wishes.

 

[SnowGro]

Hi D9

you went with 100% perlite? is the perlite moist feeling at the top? what did the depth of the medium turn out to be?

Yep, it's 100% perlite. 6.5" deep. The clones were started in rockwool, in dirt/red cups when I got them. I washed the dirt off, left the rockwool (1x1x1 cube), and popped them into perlite. I did top water by hand a bit in the beginning, but after that all sub.
I even had a rogue seed pop and flourish in the medium. Yanked it for unknown gender.

i don't see how people can grow in these tight places, it's like an art form. sort of like bonsai. the smallest thing i've grown in was a closet.

This will be challenging for sure. This box may turn into a mom/clone factory in the future

are you going to defoliate? it would help contain the plant.

Defoliate, supercropping, LST, SCROG, Hack away at it...
Many tools have I gained here, and Hopefuly I can contain the beasties. It's definitely going to be fun. My MAX legal harvest atm is 2oz. so that's driving the mini size. Looking for many popcorn nugs as described a post or two up.
The 2 plants I have now are for cloning only, I just took a bunch of cuts from one of them. Popped them in a glass of my makeup water, and crossed fingers.
Hopefuly in 10 days or so I'll root my 1st production plant in this system. Looking to flip at 12" or less.
Sorry for the terribad pics. Using a webcam in the other room, and can't see the monitor for focus or target for that matter. Been putting off starting a new log till I get my lazy ass up to go buy a proper camera.

 

[*mistress*]

this is the plant i said would be a record breaker. i left all bud sites on it and we did get tired of trimming small buds but, due to defoliation, instead of fluff they turned into nice little buds. a lot of them, about the size of a marble, hard and dense, and, obviously, several oz's of them.

w/ imaginary tomato pl@nt, 2-3 h@rvests maybe make secondary shoots/nodes into terminal flowers/fruit w/ apical dominance to get them almost big as tops just taken. maybe takes wk-10 day longer, but nice result.
some cultivars can be harvested up to 3-4 tymes... ea tyme take tops, lower nodes become terminal fruit.

8wk cultivars tops done @ 56-60 - but remainder of pl@nt still hormonally younger/not as mature. 56 cultivar maybe 65-70 cultivar. if desire entire pl@nt to be fully mature.

w/ 9wk cultivar, can take tops @ wk8. w/in 1 wk, lower nodes become tops & swell.
maybe, instead taking entire pl@nt, only take tops @ 55-58, then remainder 1 wk later, when lower flower/fruit (new tops) hormonally mature.

 

[delta9nxs]

w/ imaginary tomato pl@nt, 2-3 h@rvests maybe make secondary shoots/nodes into terminal flowers/fruit w/ apical dominance to get them almost big as tops just taken. maybe takes wk-10 day longer, but nice result.
some cultivars can be harvested up to 3-4 tymes... ea tyme take tops, lower nodes become terminal fruit.

8wk cultivars tops done @ 56-60 - but remainder of pl@nt still hormonally younger/not as mature. 56 cultivar maybe 65-70 cultivar. if desire entire pl@nt to be fully mature.

w/ 9wk cultivar, can take tops @ wk8. w/in 1 wk, lower nodes become tops & swell.
maybe, instead taking entire pl@nt, only take tops @ 55-58, then remainder 1 wk later, when lower flower/fruit (new tops) hormonally mature.

yes, i believe this may be one of the few ways i have left to increase weight.

the terminal buds do mature faster and removing them would probably accelerate the development of lower buds.

i reduced plant positions from 9 to 8 in flower as the defoliation is finishing them earlier.

i could put the ninth position back and harvest the top of one plant at end of week 8 and the bottom of last week's at week 9 and still maintain schedule. but i don't have the floor space for more time.

it would for sure increase yield simply by using a management technique.

 

[delta9nxs]

hey, snowgro, is that perlite moist feeling on top?

 

[SnowGro]

I wouldn't say right on top, but easily within 3/4"\
12 days since any top feed. Will probably do a salt flush soon.
RH is 30% atm