Ozone Generators

[village green]

flourescents are already in the plan for the veg room. 500W worth.
Random spikes? So what are you saying? Run the lights on for 4 hours, turn off for an hours. run them again for 3 hours, turn off for an hour and etc....?

Pretty sure you'd be going threw light $100-150 light bulbs every couple weeks, plus not sure how the plants would grow?

You would go through light bulbs quicker but not that quick. Think about the expense of buying and running a generator which is also likely to increase your risk in your circumstances. Light energy does not have to be constant during lights on, it just needs to accumulate to optimal levels before lights off. Plants may even engage in more productive photosynthesis with periods of "shade". Several growers have posted good results with checkerboard lighting in which lights cycle on and off.

 

[LEDNewbie]

i have a large ozone unit in my home ,have had it for years ,i think its a health benifit if used correctly,to trick a smart meter reader not the meter its self ,is to use a flip flop where it switches the lamps not the ballest it just shows 24 hours of use of a certain whatage and amperage i would magnetic ballest if at all possable,

That "may" work if you were only using say 400-600W total. But if you have 1000+ watts running 24 hours a day, during the hot and cold months. Power company is going to try and figure out if its a problem on there end or your end?/ Either way your gunna get an inspection even if they don't think you have GO

 

[LEDNewbie]

You would go through light bulbs quicker but not that quick. Think about the expense of buying and running a generator which is also likely to increase your risk in your circumstances. Light energy does not have to be constant during lights on, it just needs to accumulate to optimal levels before lights off. Plants may even engage in more productive photosynthesis with periods of "shade". Several growers have posted good results with checkerboard lighting in which lights cycle on and off.

I'm not sure that would still work, u still need a certain amount of light to be productive and u still need 12 hours of dark for flowering, tough to hide all of that if they are looking....

 

[wantaknow]

i have a six k flip ,i have yet to use ,i run 3k on a timer with 13 off 11 on and it rotates around the dial ,i also have a timer on my hot water heaterwhere it come on and off to conserve energy,do you live in the states ,smart meters are not the problem its the people who interperate the date the meter provides

 

[village green]

i have a large ozone unit in my home ,have had it for years ,i think its a health benifit if used correctly,to trick a smart meter reader not the meter its self ,is to use a flip flop where it switches the lamps not the ballest it just shows 24 hours of use of a certain wattage and amperage i would use magnetic ballest if at all possable,

Hey wantaknow,
In Strainhunter's thread on smart meters it was discussed that the bulb causes most of the spike at the flip. However, he said people should not worry as much about spikes as total power used.

 

[LEDNewbie]

In Canada, where power companys work closely with the popo to fuck people over!!!

Seriously

 

[village green]

you could hook up an excersize bike and generate electricity. peddle your ass off

Did you get that idea from Gilligan's Island?

 

[village green]

gunna have to charge the batts though, wich will take huge amps as well. If you really start looking into ways of tricking the power company its not as easy as it seems. If you have a battery charger running off the power grid and its drawing say 1000-2000W everyday for 24 hours, power company is going to come to your door and ask why there is that much power draw all the time, witch will then lead to an inspection witch will get you caught!

1) 2000 watts 24 hours a day is nothing.
2) You could always charge the batteries at a safe location.

 

[LEDNewbie]

Ultimately I think the best generator for the job would the Quiet Series Honda 6500. They run damn near whisper quiet. Would take much less effort to hide the noise from the neighbors. Also the smell wouldn't be an issue. Plus I could put one of these conversion on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNaGW5SOPas

as I have natural gas plumbed into my garage and never have to worry about getting fuel all the time.

This generator has only one down side.... How long would it last running 6 hours a day everyday?? You ask Honda and they won't give you an average hour that they last? If I could get one year from one of these generators then it would be totally worth it! Battery's would be about $5000 and would last 5 years no problem as they would never be getting cycled cause they would always be charged by either the generator or utility power. Generator would be about $4K a year. Thats an average expense of $5250 a year. Not bad considering with a small 3-4K grow setup I could pull in at least $5000-6000 a month and be totally stealth.

I think this is the way to go when the time comes, heck, even if the generator only lasted 6 months it would still be worth it.....

 

[resinryder]

Except you'd have to explain all the gas used to the utility company which would raise more of a red flag than the electrical use would.

 

[LEDNewbie]

Except you'd have to explain all the gas used to the utility company which would raise more of a red flag than the electrical use would.

cops aren't looking to natural gas companys for grow op!!!! HAHAHA, can't run light with natural gas. not to mention I could then go back to heating my house with my heat pumps and cook with my electric stove and oven. Just eliminating the furnace and gas stove/oven would probably make up the difference in use

 

[rives]

Natural gas only has about 65% of the btus/gallon that gasoline has, so you would see either a huge fall down in fuel consumption or much less available power if the consumption is held even. The good side is that natural gas will burn so cleanly that the engine will last much, much longer, and the service intervals can be spread out a great deal. When I was a kid, I worked in a gas station that did the service work on the local propane company's tankers. This was a hell of a long time ago, everything was carbureted and a standard drain interval was 2500 miles. They used to have us service the trucks at 6500 miles, and the oil came out looking like the day I had put it in.

*edit* You're fooling yourself about making up for the use with your stove and furnace. Take the fuel consumption forecast for the Honda, multiply it by 1.5, and plug in your hours run.

 

[LEDNewbie]

well maybe not totally make up for it, but a good portion. furnace is 90,000 btu's, BBQ 60,000 btu's, oven/stove is like 80-90,000 btus

No none of those run all the time, but they do add up. I'm not worried at all about a little higher gas bill, cops ONLY go to electricity company's for info about GO....

 

[LEDNewbie]

Natural gas only has about 65% of the btus/gallon that gasoline has, so you would see either a huge fall down in fuel consumption or much less available power if the consumption is held even. The good side is that natural gas will burn so cleanly that the engine will last much, much longer, and the service intervals can be spread out a great deal. When I was a kid, I worked in a gas station that did the service work on the local propane company's tankers. This was a hell of a long time ago, everything was carbureted and a standard drain interval was 2500 miles. They used to have us service the trucks at 6500 miles, and the oil came out looking like the day I had put it in.

*edit* You're fooling yourself about making up for the use with your stove and furnace. Take the fuel consumption forecast for the Honda, multiply it by 1.5, and plug in your hours run.

If you look on line there is a Yamaha 3000W generator running on Natural Gas. The dude loads 3000W worth of heaters to it and it keeps trucking!!Thats full load with no issues. If I get the 6500 I'd be using 4000W max, just over half load, engine wouldn't feel a thing running with less BTU's....

I had worked out the fuel consumption running the generator at 8 hours a day on Natural Gas and I think it came out to something like $220 a month. Fuck all, if I heat my house with the furnace, BBQ a few times a week my Natural Gas bill is between $100-150

 

[rives]

If you look on line there is a Yamaha 3000W generator running on Natural Gas. The dude loads 3000W worth of heaters to it and it keeps trucking!!Thats full load with no issues. If I get the 6500 I'd be using 4000W max, just over half load, engine wouldn't feel a thing running with less BTU's....

I had worked out the fuel consumption running the generator at 8 hours a day on Natural Gas and I think it came out to something like $220 a month. Fuck all, if I heat my house with the furnace, BBQ a few times a week my Natural Gas bill is between $100-150

I know NG is pretty cheap (comparatively) up there, but that seems pretty low to me. That machine is rated for a continuous full load of 5.5kw and to run 4.7 hours on 4.5 gallons of gasoline. With the reduction in BTU's, you are going to be very close to the full load consumption of about 1 gallon/hr. You guys are under a buck a gallon?

 

[LEDNewbie]

The company that makes the conversion has a chart with fuel consumption
http://www.generatorsales.com/order/Honda-EU6500iSA-Tri-fuel.asp?page=EU6500iSA_Tri_Fuel

I went onto my gas company's website and used there calculator to figure out what my cost would be for the fuel with all delivery charges and whatever else they can think of for charging you

I plugged in the numbers to run the generator at 3/4 load on Natural gas, for 7 hours a day 31 days a month. Came out to $150.97 a month!! Thats pretty fucking cheap if you ask me!!

 

[rives]

Well, I've installed a number of back up generators around here because our power goes of constantly in the winter, and I think that you might have a shock coming. Good luck and keep us posted.

 

[LEDNewbie]

Well, I've installed a number of back up generators around here because our power goes of constantly in the winter, and I think that you might have a shock coming. Good luck and keep us posted.

a shock in witch way? fuel consumption?

 

[rives]

The costs that you have worked up come to about .17/kwh for fuel. Around here, it averages somewhere around .75/kwh.

 

[LEDNewbie]

if you take the generators 82 cu ft per hour x 7 hours a day x 31 days it comes out to 17,794 cu ft of used fuel per month

Now punch in 17,794 cu. ft. in the calculator below and it will spit out 18.77 gigajoule's

http://www.conversion-website.com/energy/cubic_foot_of_natural_gas_to_gigajoule.html

Go to my Gas company's website and double check what 18.77 gigajoules works out to per month?? Double check for me please, maybe I'm out to lunch!!!

http://www.fortisbc.com/NaturalGas/Homes/Rates/Pages/Lower-Mainland.aspx