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Don't let the drugs win my friend. I don't know you but I sense your better than that. The withdrawal is going to suck but the key is to own it and accept it. Tell it to fuck off. And when you get better (which you will), you will be another warrior against the evils of the Pharmaceutical Companies. The world needs people like you to help spread the word.
Genghis Kush
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its the withdrawal speaking. its depriving your brain of dopamine and its causing you to perceive your existence the way you are expressing it.
this will pass, everything does, thats the only thing that is guaranteed.
leaving here does not guaranty release from suffering. we have no proof of what comes next.
all feelings and emotions pass with time, that is guaranteed
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May All Beings Be Happy
^^^So TRUE
check out Mucuna (L-dopa) and GABA too to help w withdrawals , DO NOT GIVE UP
Be a LION
check out Mucuna (L-dopa) and GABA too to help w withdrawals , DO NOT GIVE UP
Be a LION
the CHOICE to end ur life is ur own... But...
I would really suggest waiting until ur not detoxing to make that choice.
Ur experiencing dysphoria (the opposite of euphoria). Ur brain chemistry is all fucked up and the thoughts ur having are not representative of ur true reality.
So I'd advise u to wait, making a life or death choice shouldn't be decided while ur brain is in such a state...
The times I've successfully kicked I decided going in I wasn't going to entertain all of the suicidal dysphoric thoughts that run on a loop thru my brain during a detox.
Good luck man, don't believe the horror movie running thru ur brain right now.. It just isn't true
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mayorofthdesert
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I've never gone through withdrawls without feeling suicidal. The mental aspects of withdrawl are far worse to me than than the physical sickness. Please know that you can get through it, and life can be good again. I really hope you reconsider but I do know how you feel right now.
Hello brotherman...
Please don't shoot.So much easier to O.D.,My friend I didn't know was shooting,fkd himself up n I a wheel chair n I mean like fkd fkd.Pussies He was with,drug him down the street n left him there without calling for Aid.No air to the Brain has got Him done.So I'm saying Whatever you do,don't shoot please.Peace and Stay Safe, DancesWithWeed
YetiOG
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If you are taking for pain, not to get high i can relate. Im on too small of a dose and it drives me crazy.
Alot of people will tell you that amount is alot. Maybe for a non tollerant individual, but what you and i could take could easily kill most of the people who will likely reply here, who do not take opiates.
Ive read the first page, and dont really agree with much of it. I agree with not buying off the streets but if your pain is bad enough to warrant that dosage, no fucking way id stop taking it. Period. Id find a doctor who will place you in proper care.
Most peoples oppinions of opiates are based off whats said in the media. Lets face it media poorly portrays mostly everything, twists and sensationalizes shit, and overall do not have their facts correct in regards to opiates. They poison peoples view of opium, in my opinion a wonder plant tht helps keep so many people from killing themselves in pain.
I struggle with my pain every day, my doctor tells me he wont change my dose because im young, pain is normal, and he dosent want to get in trouble for giving me more, which is contrary to proper medical treatment. I was hurt in a accident it doesn't matter my age, i should recieve the same care anyone else will. Sadly im near the brink of suicide on a regular basis, because my pain is out of control
Its easy for someone not living with cronic pain to tell you its a problem, you have to stop, but i wouldnt let stigma dictate your medical care. If you need that dose to live, find a medical doctor who will give it to you, and keep you safe from unsafe street drugs.
I will note for all reading opiates have no actual known ld50. It widely varries based on the individual, and individual tollerance. Theres no maximum dose given no signs of toxcicity, or overdose (not breathing etc). A dose i could take safely many of you would consider high. Maybe for a non tollerant individual but what would kill you, barely keeps me alive. No ones response led me to believe they were a doctor, or really all that knowledgeable about opiates, let alone oxycodone.
I cant look anywhere without seeing the stigma all over. Its hard too see, because its no one elses buisness how anyone deals with their pain
YetiOG
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It's all in your head.
Take some shrooms, smoke bud, be around good people and eat really good fresh food. Get a dog/pet to keep your mind off of it. Do anything outdoors and get out there.
Whatever happens, don't waste time thinking about what's happened, think about what you can do right now to make the situation better.
You will get over that shit, cannabis is so much better of a high anyways once you dial in your system
Sorry but opiate addiction comes from recurrent use not a mental figment. You cant cold turkey 300mg a day, it could actually kill you. Ive withdrawn from pills several times, all required a hospiatl visit and a shot because i was too far gone and was puking hard. That shit is not in my head.
Detoxing from a large script/habit takes months and needs to be done under medical supervision, period. Its just a fact.
More opiate stigma talkig here, again not based on fact but a notion opiates are a simple matter and asumptions made are correct. Like most cases of assumption, far from fact. Nothing you detailed in your treatment plan is aplicable to opiate cesitation. Ive done it before and it took 3 months and am back on now because i otherwise cant handle the pain.
Please check your facts before telling a pain patient its all in their head. That makes me mad not really cool. The things you said, thats all in your head bro, not real
How can a doctor get away with just cutting you off of the most addictive substance??? Would think the have to let you slowly taper.
Shovelhandle
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Because it's what they do...
At least here they handed out scripts like candy for a while. Then the shit hit the fan and when "they" want to cut back on they script writing they do not know what to do with you and I don't think they care. "That's your problem", I guess is their attitude... Next patient?
Now having a script for pain meds means being treated like a criminal. Monthly drug screening, surprise pill counts and if you test positive for pot or alcohol you can and will be dismissed with a month script and a kick out the door. Try that if you've been on Fentenyl or Buprenorphrine for five or more years. It's not good.
My mother is on OXY, prescribed 500mg twice a day, but breaking and giving half twice a day. Off it she was crying from pain. 89, and not going to live long. I know doctor was very reluctant, who is neighbor for 50 years. They are busting MD's balls, but abandoning people hooked is wrong.
With my mother it is end of life treatment, and do not blame. Her days are short, and should not suffer from pain. With it, she still has to drive 5 feet on scooter to get to bathroom.
Someone mentioned Veterans. Our country fucked over the poor people that needed a job, sending them to be killed and maimed for lies. They deserve to be taken care of, for being misled, and taught to kill, for perverted reasons, that they were brainwashed against.
In my opinion, the filth that lie in government should be publicly lynched or drawn and quartered.
With my mother it is end of life treatment, and do not blame. Her days are short, and should not suffer from pain. With it, she still has to drive 5 feet on scooter to get to bathroom.
Someone mentioned Veterans. Our country fucked over the poor people that needed a job, sending them to be killed and maimed for lies. They deserve to be taken care of, for being misled, and taught to kill, for perverted reasons, that they were brainwashed against.
In my opinion, the filth that lie in government should be publicly lynched or drawn and quartered.
YetiOG
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Your mother deserves the best care possible, but so does every human in pain. We have drugs that have the ability to take pain away, but peoples assumptions about them are they are bad. Because people tell them. Kind of sounds like weed. Do any of you listen to the weed bullshit? Why listen about opiates.
I get they can kill but so can drinking too much water. Everything around us can kill if we have too much. So why dont we all just stop drinking water it can kill you ya know... scary stuff...
Pallative care should not be for end of life patients only it should be for all who suffer.
The reason docs take people off is because if the media sensationalism calling opiates a disease. Why? Because they have side effects? The side effects are nothing compared to the pain they take away. Pain is a fucking disease, poppy is the cure. Its not a permanant cure, but its the best we have at this time.
Go ask a pallative professional, they will tell you the reality about opiates. Why dont you all ask golden tree? He can sort out fact and fiction for you. 90% of this thread is fiction, not alot of reality in it except for the people like loc dog explaining someones reality.
Lets talk about addiction. So when you take them for for a period of several weeks your body becomes addicted. If someone is in never ending pain whats the problem they need it always anyway, for someone like me who will never get off them anyway what does it matter if my body is hooked i need it constantly. Ill never get off because of the pain, but as long as i take the pills all is normal, my life is good, so what is the problem im hooked? Theres nothing that can be done for my nerve pain other than feed me drugs. Why should i be denied my right to live because everyone makes up stories to feed the sensationalism.
I accept i need to take them. Im 26 years old and i will never get off them. Thats the reality. Weed dosent cut it not even the most hardcore dabs. I can dab non stop and it wont dent the pain its to severe. Anyone can tell me taking them is wrong but i never abuse them i take them only as instructed, and its the bare minimum my doctor can give me to keep me from killing myself. I continue to smoke dope for enjoyment but it dosent effect my quality of life even 1% as much as oxycodone
So all the opiate nay sayers, you tell me, should i stop taking my meds tomorrow because you think so, and put a 12 gauge under my chin? Does that seem like a good idea? I say no, i dont care what you tell me i will continue to take the life saving drugs, because the reality is if i didnt i would have to euthanize myself. Thats my reality. My wife needs me, she will be the first to tell you i cant live without those drugs and would be devastated if i were to kill myself because i stopped taking my medication.
Side note i have to take gabapentin as well. Aso addictive. I need benzos to sleep. Also addictive. Both are pretty rough but i dont hear amyone crying about those. Should i just stop all addictive meds and die? Those can be toxic if i take too much hell they must be as bad as the oxy... what am i thinking i better stop, get my affairs in order and devestate my family with my death because addictive meds are just so bad.
This topic lights a fire under me. None of you are doctors and until i hear golden tree come and say the OP and i should quit opiates because they are bad, i wont even consider it. This is no laughing matter the fiction you all keep alive continues to damage the legit pain patients care. Stop now, because there are many people like me recieving the minimum care and even more with no care at all. It scares me to think of how many fellow humans suffer and are on the brink of suicide because they cant get care.
Stop the fiction, learn the facts. Dont believe the news or what people tell you.
Im very tempted to start posting links to studies about opiates. Here is the start of one article im linking. Read up and keep reading and close your mouths until you actually understand opium. Otherwise you do so much harm thinking you are doing good.
Fewer than five percent of patients prescribed narcotics to treat chronic pain become addicted to the drugs, according to a new analysis of past research.
The finding suggests that concerns about the risk of becoming addicted to prescription painkillers might be "overblown," said addiction specialist Dr. Michael Fleming at Northwestern University's Feinberg School of Medicine.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/grapefruit-may-turn-more-drugs-deadly-scientists-find-1C7266586
Start looking at study info not bullshit news shit. They get paid to turn everything into a circus. Dont be a part of it. You are not helping anyone. One day you may need these life saving drugs.
One last note, for all you folks convinced the poppy is the devil, morphine among several opiates (Fentanyl included) are listed on the WHO list of essential medicines. Do you think they put fucking toxins on that list? Did you know "heroin" diamorphine is used in local anesthetic, as well as in epidurals when women are giving birth? Its used all over the world. All the danger associated with it comes from the illicit versions, the pharmaceutical variety is completly safe. Its a morphine pro drug it simply turns into morphine in your body. The name herion gives it this evil sound that feeds the wrong perception. Its not evil in any way. Nothing any of yiu can say changes the facts about these drugs.
YetiOG
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This is happening everywhere i just got piss tested. Did some acud a few weeks previos glad it clears fast... i rarely use drugs other than pot.
At the pharmacy they look at me and ask me why i take it. Thats none of their biz, and is offensive as well as attracts attention from everyone in the place. Last thing i need is some skid robbing me for my pills.
I hate what the stigma has done to us. No one cam recieve chronic pain management because doctors are worriied they will loose their licenses.
My wife and i have decided to take up activism for this cause. I plan to take my doctors to court this year, and will press it right to the supreme court, to force them to give me the care i need, because even on my meds, im on the edge of death, 100% of the time.
My plan is to have a judge force the doctors to give me the correct dose, adjust as needed when i am suffering as tollerance builds more (they refuse to raise me even after a year and the pills starting to loose effectiveness) and for them to monitor my condition better rather than tell me im young, pain is normal. Do you think its fair someone who has 3 months to live lives pain free and i suffer for years? I dont...
I plan to win this, i will continue to present evidence and call as many pallative care professionals as witnesses, and push until i recieve the care i need. After which time we plan to start a non profit organization that will help fund people to take their doctors to court, help subsidize theirbmedical costs, we plan to work as long as it takes to fix the wrong perceptions of opiates, teach people the miracle they really are, because without my oxy, i would have said good bye to my wife many months ago and taken my own life, leaving her a widow at 24.
I quote these posters posts and my replies are not 100% directed to their posts. Some obviously is, but much of what im saying in raising questions to the folks who argue against what i consider my miracle, the poppy. I wake up every day and thank god for putting that wonderful flower here, and giving me more time than i would have had otherwise. I thank god for my 2 miracle flowers, papaver somniferum, and cannabis sativa.
No assumptions in my posts in this thread. Just personal experience, and the the op in his initial post asked for advice and guidance on how to detox from oxy...I think that's why most of the advice he was given centered around that premise.
Anyway, no stigma here, just trying to help out a person in need of help as the pain of withdrawal (mental and physical) is all to real and can lead to death (as I've lost a few friends to detoxing in an inappropriate environment) aka jail.
Anyway, no stigma here, just trying to help out a person in need of help as the pain of withdrawal (mental and physical) is all to real and can lead to death (as I've lost a few friends to detoxing in an inappropriate environment) aka jail.
mayorofthdesert
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i whish you'd post back Smokerman if you're still here. whether you've stayed opiate free or not i guarantee i've been through the same or similar. i've came off of many opiates many times & know the struggle. pm me anytime if you want.
I agree with mostly all of what ur saying BUT in the initial post op asked for advice and or help on how to detox from his opiate dependence (and generally the responses the op received where along those lines, (strategies for detoxing))
Personally I believe ALL drugs should be legal..
I don't believe the government should be regulating what a person can or can't do with their own body/mind.
I don't think people who are in pain should suffer needlessly or be stigmatized as junkies for being opiate dependent
But..,
I also think we have a huge opiate addiction issue in the u.s.(Particularly bad in my state of residence).
I don't have all the answers (or any really) but I do KNOW the pain and hurt of opiate withdrawal...
And I'll generally offer the advice to avoid opiate dependence if at all possible; If only because In our society unless u have a Drs prescription (which can be revoked arbitrarily) it is criminal to be an opiate dependent person.. and they will put u in a cage and watch u kick like a dog with zero medical care. It's just a bad (sub-human) position to be in...
Also, I think dr's do a very poor job informing people about opiate dependence and what that will mean for them long term
Idk, most (nearly all) of the issues we have with drug addiction are created by the prohibition itself... But the law of the land is what it is.. (At this point does any intelligent person believe prohibition of anything is actually effective at decreasing use?) And jail cells really suck, especially when ur detoxing from an opiate habit..
Anyway, none of this is really thread pertinent just my rambling opinion...
I hope the op is alright whatever he decided to do,
I really hope you are getting help, harming yourself is never the answer. I am not trying to take away from the struggle. I have seen the damage that is done first hand. I have a family member who can't get out of bed without a needle full of heroin. I know that pain can cloud the decision making. Praying that you are able to pull through.
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