Outdoors in California 2013

[OrganicBuds]

Plants are looking amazing. Are those 800's producing bigger plants? I would bet the quality of herb from those plants will be of higher quality. Reason behind that is because it will never run out of nutes, and ph swings are few and far between.

As for crosses:

Mendo Dream x Bogbubble
Mendo Dream x Sour Bubble
Mendo Dream x Sour Straw
Mendo Dream x Hasan (i know you don't have this strain, but I keep trying)

 

[DungeonMaster]

Were i am at there has been patches of morning for that tends to burn off later on in the morning. i am in norcal, southern 707. anyone else around there considering the ramifications of this. 2011 had some wet weather for us which yielded some black mold. last year was more fortunate with strain choices finishing earlier. we didnt have the fog issue this last year as we did this year, so i throwing this out there to see if anyone in the same there abouts has anything planned. i was going to build some PVC green houses, but i am not sure too how the fog will effect things or if i am throwing money into the wind.

i am only doing a few plants this year.

Sweet Tooth, Girl Scout Cookie, Jack The Ripper, and one Grand Daddy Purple.

any feedback would be good, so i can figure out when and if i should be putting up some coverage before the buds start to get really dense and more susceptible to the blackness.


DM.

 

[DungeonMaster]

MORNING FOG...
woops

 

[25ftGreatWhite]

DM I believe what you are referring to as black mold is actually botrytis. IMO building a greenhouse would only increase the humidity of your growing environment - which is exactly opposite of what you want if you are dealing with botrytis. Without employing a comprehensive IPM strategy during all phases of your grow, it will be hard to ensure that botrytis does not infect your plants this late into the season. The UC system put out a interesting IPM guide, however it is predicated the use of pesticides/fungicides.

http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/r302100111.html

Some would argue that making sure your plant has the ability to fight off fungal diseases is key and that fungicides are only temporary fixes. Make sure you're using good soil (BCSR) and keep your plant's brix levels high. Use a foliar program which aids the plant in defending against fungal diseases - potassium silicate and neem (or another horticulture oil) mixed weekly. Keep the N down late in flower too.

 

[OLDproLg]

Quite a thread Mendo!!!

Still sitting here awaiting the finish..........
Crosses,hit everything up with everything!!
Mark lower branches according to pollen donor.....
You could do 300 crosses in 1 year with all them plants!
Just sayin,you never know what works best with what???
SOme of the best crosses in the world are accidents!!!!!
Peace n green
lg

 

[username474]

The overall plant health is nothing short of amazing. I am struggling to keep my little
10k indoor grow 1/2 as healthy. Many thanks for sharing your summer, skill and
gardens with us Mendo.

 

[mendo420]

This season I have grown the healthy plants I've ever had.
Its been a lot of work but i could not be more happy.
Things are looking better than good.
I just love hanging out in the garden.
The plants are HUGE and healthy.

I love it when a plan comes together!

Its starting to smell like "Mendocino" around here!
The smells in the garden are starting to stink!

The last week bud set has kicked in.
Some strains are starting to get little buds now.

The cheese's are looking good and are the most along.
Strange because they are sativa dominate.

The blue dreams are a mix some budding good, others just starting.

The chem4 crosses look like they will be the last ones.
Their is a Chen4x Mendo Dream I am quite fond of, it has an amazing smell and has not really started to flower!

Thanks for the kind words everyone

BIG UP!

 

[anonymousgrow]

Nothing but big love for what you have going on; I have a couple questions.

Do you have any clones in your garden or only seed plants?
I have two pairs where I have a mother seed plant and a clone of it next to each other in the holes outside, in both cases the clone is slightly bigger but the seed plant has more flowering tips. My current viewpoint is that the difference in the plants has mainly to do with the age of the plant when it was transplanted. What do you think?

Do you have much for observations in growing a seed plant and a clone of the same plant next to one another outside full season?

Thanks and keep on keeping on!

 

[mendo420]

Nothing but big love for what you have going on; I have a couple questions.

Do you have any clones in your garden or only seed plants?
I have two pairs where I have a mother seed plant and a clone of it next to each other in the holes outside, in both cases the clone is slightly bigger but the seed plant has more flowering tips. My current viewpoint is that the difference in the plants has mainly to do with the age of the plant when it was transplanted. What do you think?

Do you have much for observations in growing a seed plant and a clone of the same plant next to one another outside full season?

Thanks and keep on keeping on!

I don't do clones , Just seed plants.
Real growers use seeds, anyone can put out clones.

I have to many hybrids to test out and find phenotypes.
I cant waste holes to do cuttings.

If i was not limited to 25 plants I would run some clones.

I've grown big clones, I've grown bigger seed plants.

Once I started growing and making seeds everything changed.

The timing of transplanting is important to all plants.

I'm currious what kind of yeilds people are getting from clones compared to seed. I think a seed should yield more.

My opinion is 3# is good for a clone, 5# is good for a seed.

How many people are getting more then 3# from a clone?

I will see with this year with cheese s1 stock.
Last season I tested the cheese s1 seeds and a clone.
The clone was 3#. So that is the target to beat.
I had a problem with the s1 seed so I don't remember the yield.
But it was about the same.

 

[Hank Hemp]

Wax poetic on your own time. Let's see some close up buddage. You know come to think of it, it is your own time, hey? Trying to sound North of the border, Mason-Dixon, youse guys know?

 

[anonymousgrow]

Last year I ran only clones and my biggest was just over 4# master kush, caveat is the smoke was just 'meh.'

This year a little over half are seed plants, I was hesitant to put all seed plants in the ground out of fear that i might get a dud plant that i couldn't tell until flowering or fear of a late showing hermie, etc.

Fears aside, I am very pleased with the way things are going; all the biggest plants are seed plants not clones, and so far all the seed plants look fantastic. Next year will include some of my own crosses for sure. I have only recently been making my own crosses and only indoors and in a gh. none outside out of the same fears i mentioned before.

But, honestly it makes it more fun. And thats what this is all about right, enjoyment and the pursuit of happiness.

 

[Cep]

I don't do clones , Just seed plants.
Real growers use seeds, anyone can put out clones.

I have to many hybrids to test out and find phenotypes.
I cant waste holes to do cuttings.

How are proven genetics a waste?

If i was not limited to 25 plants I would run some clones.

For me it's the other way around. I like a good pheno hunt, but I can risk spots in my garden to possible bad phenos

I've grown big clones, I've grown bigger seed plants.

I've also found seeds to be a little more vigorous than clones.

Once I started growing and making seeds everything changed.

The timing of transplanting is important to all plants.

I'm currious what kind of yeilds people are getting from clones compared to seed. I think a seed should yield more.

My opinion is 3# is good for a clone, 5# is good for a seed.

How many people are getting more then 3# from a clone?

It is likely this year.

I will see with this year with cheese s1 stock.
Last season I tested the cheese s1 seeds and a clone.
The clone was 3#. So that is the target to beat.
I had a problem with the s1 seed so I don't remember the yield.
But it was about the same.

Both your seed and clone plants look like they will be way over 5...

I like growing seeds mostly because I enjoy variation in general, but the pros of running clones seem to outweigh the cons for me. For example, I ran a pack of TGA Timewreck last year and got 6 females. They were all very different contrary to that 3 phenotype bs advertised. 5 of those 6 females were garbage by my standards and the 6th was potent but smelled like burnt popcorn. I'll still sift through packs of regular seeds in the future, but it will be in a test room indoors to find individuals that are potent, reek, are vigorous and have the structure I'm looking for. That way I risk 2 gallons of soil on one plant rather than hundreds.

 

[OrganicBuds]

I agree with Mendo. If you have solid seed stock your set. Buying from TGA is NOT SOLID SEED STOCK.

I have seen clone plants yield 10+, however that was blue dream. I want to say seed plants produce 20% more on average, strain dependent.

 

[budman678]

I agree with Mendo. If you have solid seed stock your set. Buying from TGA is NOT SOLID SEED STOCK.

I have seen clone plants yield 10+, however that was blue dream. I want to say seed plants produce 20% more on average, strain dependent.

What's your gripe with TGA? Too much variation?

 

[Cep]

I agree with Mendo. If you have solid seed stock your set. Buying from TGA is NOT SOLID SEED STOCK.

I have seen clone plants yield 10+, however that was blue dream. I want to say seed plants produce 20% more on average, strain dependent.

Depends on what you define as solid. The seeds were healthy and so were the plants but the strain description was way off. TGA produces healthy seeds but I've found 1 or 2 good not "keeper" plants out of 4 packs. I like fiddling around still with seeds but outside in the big holes its too risky.

I'm not trying to make the case that seed plants don't trump clones in yield. All I'm saying is that I've found mediocre smelling, tasting and potent individuals most of the time when putting in seed plants. It's rare to be able to buy a ten pack of seeds and get 5 females that produce finished flowers of the same or better quality than the solid clones that people run year after year. Its a dice roll.

What's your gripe with TGA? Too much variation?

Well, the variation is fine if its marketed that way. Timewreck is said to have equal influences from both parents but 5 were SQ leaning and one was BW or Trinity dominant, none smelled like the breeders description. I guess my gripe has more to do with the product matching the description.

Rarely do polyhybrids have "two main phenotypes". Jack the Ripper and Agent Orange had a lot of variation but weren't supposed to.

 

[Cep]

@Budman

I found Dinafem's Blue Widow to be very close to breeder description. It was surprisingly accurate.

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

What's your gripe with TGA? Too much variation?

Can't speak for OB, but for me...and I've met and talked with Sub (very cool, committed grower), so don't think I'm hating here, but...potency is my main gripe with TGA.

It looks nice, but doesn't ring my bell.

HB.

 

[mendo420]

It looks nice, but doesn't ring my bell.

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I would agree

 

[MildeStoner]

I'm not trying to make the case that seed plants don't trump clones in yield. All I'm saying is that I've found mediocre smelling, tasting and potent individuals most of the time when putting in seed plants. It's rare to be able to buy a ten pack of seeds and get 5 females that produce finished flowers of the same or better quality than the solid clones that people run year after year. Its a dice roll.

All that this proves is that your seed stock is not as solid as Mendo's. I hear your point, but I think most of the clone vs seed advantages go out the window if you have good lines that have been worked by people who care about breeding not money (Easier said than done, I know).
Sure, there are bad phenos in great crosses, but I don't think it's as hit and miss as you make it sound

 

[Cep]

All that this proves is that your seed stock is not as solid as Mendo's. I hear your point, but I think most of the clone vs seed advantages go out the window if you have good lines that have been worked by people who care about breeding not money (Easier said than done, I know).
Sure, there are bad phenos in great crosses, but I don't think it's as hit and miss as you make it sound

Maybe I missed the part of the thread describing the work put into the lines or maybe an other thread by Mendo? The Mendodream cross is the one that really caught my eye and it sounds like some work has been done because he's describes it as being easy to trim, maybe he can chime in about this.

If they are worked lines than my argument is moot. to those that have time to play with pollen. I'm a solo show until harvest and wish I had the space right now to grow out and test males.