Pics are clear as day , for anyone to see.
Wether people care or not i don't care , il just point out things I see , as the crowd these days follows anyone and anything people say.
Sheep community these days and people not dare speak up
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Outback Haze #8 x Silk Haze S
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Wether people care or not i don't care , il just point out things I see , as the crowd these days follows anyone and anything people say.
Sheep community these days and people not dare speak up
Stoneguru
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Yes, that is why I put together this primer on Nevil's NL5 with pictures. To clarify what NL5 looked like in the cross.
Pictures of the NL5 plant itself, the NL5 x Haze that won and half a dozen other NL5 haze Fgen.
Post in thread 'Outback Haze #8 x Silk Haze S' https://www.icmag.com/threads/outback-haze-8-x-silk-haze-s.18133276/post-18857557
Now you or anyone else should be able to identify the NL5 flattop foxtail trident in Nevil's NL5 x haze. This seems clear, but as you know. I went through 100's of old NL to observe every aspect of that line and what it contributes to NL'haze
The NL5 flat top trident and higher leaf to calyx ratio is just a visual marker of course and does not in and of itself determine whether it smokes like 100% haze or a 100% NL.
Selectively breeding cannabis requires identifying and recording dozens of morphological traits at every stage of growth and qualifying it at the end with analytic terpenes and cannabinoid testing and or smoke testing.
By doing this along with other techniques a breeder can gradually tightening the pattern of variation around their particular goals, but given the diversity of poly-hybrids like haze there will always be degrees of variation from plant to plant.
@ojd if you don't disagree with that statement then let's just drop it.
Stoneguru
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Physical traits of a plant don't guarantee quality, but they do give indications of parentage. The more traits that are available to identify the higher the likelihood that the line can be selected and bred toward that parent.
For example. Dwight's Outback Haze #8 has the signature NH21 structure, flowers and morphology, but also has the NH21 dark, dried blood red petiole. This has been passes to all progeny so far in multiple lines.
While leaf morphology changes from plant to plant or line to line, this trait has not changed. The dark coloration moves all the way up the leaflets.
The NH21 petiole are very distinctive, but this is also an great example here about how traits can be buried or hidden mistaken for better or worse.
Silk S also has a trade mark red petiole that is passed to almost all progeny in most lines (but not all). Silk S is more of fresh blood red. This color would easily get hidden by NH21/Outback #8 's much darker red petiole.
We doubled down on this trait. It's a signature trait of the highest quality haze selection of Outback haze which was NH21, but also Silk S.
Silk S has an extremely dank vaporized frankincense and Outback does not. What if that piff profile is what I want and I associate it with the red petiole? I am familiar with Ocimene, but most would never identify these levels it in fresh flower unless I showed them comparisons.
This is an example of how Singular qualifiers can be problematic. The tendency of anyone working with Outback or other Nevil's work might be to just look for the red petiole. This would be folly!
This mistake has been proven to apply to all of the myths. Narrow leaves, flowering time, plant size, bud structure and countless other haze myths. Folly!
Traits can become associated, disassociated, buried and or hidden. A person could have seen something in a favorite cross once and be completely wrong about its association in another context.
That said. By observing and recording all traits and stages of a plant over generations and multiple crosses...The more desirable traits will start to come forward and materialize. I have selected some traits of what I remember to them find a 3rd return that I haven't seen in years.
I fully believe it is possible to breed backwards deep into parental lines.
never accept singular qualifiers, answer questions with actions, always be willing to be wrong. Question everything. Especially yourself. Enjoy the process more that the destination.
For example. Dwight's Outback Haze #8 has the signature NH21 structure, flowers and morphology, but also has the NH21 dark, dried blood red petiole. This has been passes to all progeny so far in multiple lines.
While leaf morphology changes from plant to plant or line to line, this trait has not changed. The dark coloration moves all the way up the leaflets.
The NH21 petiole are very distinctive, but this is also an great example here about how traits can be buried or hidden mistaken for better or worse.
Silk S also has a trade mark red petiole that is passed to almost all progeny in most lines (but not all). Silk S is more of fresh blood red. This color would easily get hidden by NH21/Outback #8 's much darker red petiole.
We doubled down on this trait. It's a signature trait of the highest quality haze selection of Outback haze which was NH21, but also Silk S.
Silk S has an extremely dank vaporized frankincense and Outback does not. What if that piff profile is what I want and I associate it with the red petiole? I am familiar with Ocimene, but most would never identify these levels it in fresh flower unless I showed them comparisons.
This is an example of how Singular qualifiers can be problematic. The tendency of anyone working with Outback or other Nevil's work might be to just look for the red petiole. This would be folly!
This mistake has been proven to apply to all of the myths. Narrow leaves, flowering time, plant size, bud structure and countless other haze myths. Folly!
Traits can become associated, disassociated, buried and or hidden. A person could have seen something in a favorite cross once and be completely wrong about its association in another context.
That said. By observing and recording all traits and stages of a plant over generations and multiple crosses...The more desirable traits will start to come forward and materialize. I have selected some traits of what I remember to them find a 3rd return that I haven't seen in years.
I fully believe it is possible to breed backwards deep into parental lines.
never accept singular qualifiers, answer questions with actions, always be willing to be wrong. Question everything. Especially yourself. Enjoy the process more that the destination.
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