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Original Haze hybrids and psychohaze phenotypes

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farm3r

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yes, only cooperation can lead us to success.

many claimed that they are working it many years. for example mr. nice seeds claimed that they got the best of haze hybrids forms.

and then I grew F13 x toms haze from elanius(will not talk my hybrids, not to look like egomaniac) and it blew out of the water all those a5, c5 variants... all those old forms. I am for such fresh innovative and original haze hybrids. toms haze is not incense haze, yet it blows out of the water all those dutch incense hazes. for example A5 x panama was not new form for me, like f13haze was. no, no. it reminded me old forms like jack or other A5 hybrids. and if it reminds you old form, it is not new form.. cant help myself. when new, then completely... and uncompromising new. Is original haze capable of it? yes. why? there are many phenos you can choose to work with to create new form of haze hybrid. new form has to be radical and limits breaking.

every decade has its herb. dont see any new haze hybrid form from last decade, only variants of old forms from 80s, 90s decades. nothing original, not real work with original haze.

I totally agree with MAHA KALA here. We had been stuck with those Neville's hazes that had Northern Light influence but were they the best and varied enough to choose different routes? Probably not. Now we have THH and Original Haze, the same starting material as Neville's, to start from scratch and with different talented breeders; so this time I believe we will have better and different types of hazes. I cannot wait for what's ahead of us.
 

MAHA KALA

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I totally agree with MAHA KALA here. We had been stuck with those Neville's hazes that had Northern Light influence but were they the best and varied enough to choose different routes? Probably not. Now we have THH and Original Haze, the same starting material as Neville's, to start from scratch and with different talented breeders; so this time I believe we will have better and different types of hazes. I cannot wait for what's ahead of us.

it gives me so much pleasure to meet people like you. people with opened minds. I cant say it better man.

the future is bright and full of surprising treasures.

original haze is still top of sativas out there and great breeding tool.

have a fun!!!
 

MallardDuck

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3rd-3yed

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Like it was said before it was orient express from billy goat trainwreck leaning pheno (trainwrekc x thai) x mr shine from Maha Kala.

Sorry if I'm wrong but I thought it was H3ad's Trainwreck Bx2 used as mother side instead of Oriental Express from Billy Goat? Nice job btw guys !
 

MAHA KALA

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Sorry if I'm wrong but I thought it was H3ad's Trainwreck Bx2 used as mother side instead of Oriental Express from Billy Goat? Nice job btw guys !

No. that cut was lost sadly... this is really oriental express cut in it. it looks similar to trainwreck in bud structure, but it makes such spear bud, not so chunky like trainwreck. the effect is also more rushy and not so relaxing like trainwreck bx2. simply it is more sativa.
 

MAHA KALA

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this is good description of effect of F13 variety:

4 -5 hour MDMA like high - clear, conversational, dancey, energetic, aphrodisiac, hilarity inducing, all round cosmic wonder. Last hour gives way to a lovely chilled euphoria. Was nick named "thai-agra" for good reason ;)

when you add premium haze male with electric potency. then everything from mother intensified and multiplied. and that chill out part gets eliminated.

I hope I will find such mother in F13diesel I am growing now. with diesel even at more potent levels.
 

Yo Sammy

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Take into consideration that breeders from yesteryear worked way different as currently. This board is the best example of how things evolve hence the utter uselessness comparing both.
We can be thankful for our modern capability to share and acces rare & potent genetics and putting these to use in our own unique & specific preferences. New things emerge from old ones, similar ingredients brought to a bigger kitchen working towards modern dishes. Good is good, shit is shit, some things never change no matter how they are presented.
Each of us has their own personal preferences, not making the other inferior, it’s all subjective but something holding a unique quality will undoubtedly be collectively recognised hence its quality.
But of course this also is nothing more than my own personal take on things.
Much love y’all :tiphat:
 

3rd-3yed

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No. that cut was lost sadly... this is really oriental express cut in it. it looks similar to trainwreck in bud structure, but it makes such spear bud, not so chunky like trainwreck. the effect is also more rushy and not so relaxing like trainwreck bx2. simply it is more sativa.

I wrongly thought you still used that one from H3ad, my bad. Yeah I remember back in the days reading good things about Billy OE.

Sure the spear buds structure is displayed nicely in this hybrid with THH, that looks really nice !
 

MAHA KALA

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well I agree with most what Sammy said. today, much more possibilities, more genetics easily available. really nice time for canna freaks.

much love too.
 

3rd-3yed

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Take into consideration that breeders from yesteryear worked way different as currently. This board is the best example of how things evolve hence the utter uselessness comparing both.
We can be thankful for our modern capability to share and acces rare & potent genetics and putting these to use in our own unique & specific preferences. New things emerge from old ones, similar ingredients brought to a bigger kitchen working towards modern dishes. Good is good, shit is shit, some things never change no matter how they are presented.
Each of us has their own personal preferences, not making the other inferior, it’s all subjective but something holding a unique quality will undoubtedly be collectively recognised hence its quality.
But of course this also is nothing more than my own personal take on things.
Much love y’all :tiphat:

You've nailed it Sammy, I also thought there were no points on constantly comparing Nevil's work or Sam's work to what is being done today.

Different genetics were used and they go hand in hand with the mindsets/approaches in breeding regarding those genetics back then....It's too far from what we have left to work with nowadays...

Personal preferences play also a big part in it that's the truth, personaly i'm not so fond of the citrusy terps, that's way too common and boring to me.

The soapy, incencey/churchy, sandalwood, cedar ones just to name a few are what I find enticing in Sativas regarding aromas. Those terpenes with a psychedelic up Thai like high seems to fit my personal grail description...

It probably already exist and maybe I just should grow the right pre-98 Kali Mist or 97 Neville Haze's genotype lol


Peace to all
 

MAHA KALA

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beautiful TB sub!

different people has different tastes, but when guys who never grew original haze to some extent talk about haze, I dont take it seriously. toms haze is citric and its effect is absolutely uncommon in today weed.

soapy haze doesn't have that thai like high for sure. soapy haze is inferior to me and I am not only one who thinks that.

Trust me if any of that soapy perfumy dutch weed showed itself upon recombination i would have ditched that haze line decades ago.
 
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