sounds good, inbred depression is gone, that's great... hope it will be good smoke for you. keep it up.
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Original Haze hybrids and psychohaze phenotypes
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sounds good, inbred depression is gone, that's great... hope it will be good smoke for you. keep it up.
I up potted it too early, at the same time as the faster one because of laziness lol.
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Hey Sub bruitis beefcake stalk'y lol, nice...
romanoweed
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really? A college told me his "fairly good" thai measured 22 thc. Anyway doesent matter.
A random Vietblack (realdeal vietnamese x Chniese type ) Testresult showed 15 percent.
So, that measurement must be Sample of 3 months shipped in hot Containers Thaistick. Well. Do the same with Superkush, it will show same results.
I dont think its a fair comparison they did..
I think strong bottlenecking for thc would give you more than 22 Percent Thaiweed. Hybrids may win, but..
Personally, I don't think THC tells the whole story. I can smoke hybrids with high THC that I find weak, and smoke a landrace with lower THC that knocks my socks off. Why that is, I have no idea.
In 1975 and 1976 the Laboratory of the Government Chemist reported Thai with as much as 17% THC—and that was after the bud had spent months on boats reaching England. THC levels such as this are far from unusual in Southeast Asia. In the ganja growing heartlands along the Mekong River generations of farmers have provided a continuous selective pressure for high potency.
https://landrace.blog/2015/02/21/bbcs-david-shukman-never-tried-thai-ganja-feeds-skunk-hysteria/
"However, the 1978 seizures which originated in Thailand, while still prepared in the form of sticks, showed a dramatic decrease in THC level compared with previous years. A careful study of the physical appearance of seizures of Thai origin for the three years revealed an increasing seed content in the cannabis.”
so maybe I read about that thai stick after 1978, dunno... but I agree with Chi13, sometimes lower thc weed can surprise you... there is much more in biochemical mix we call resin... I read a lot about decline of quality as psychoactivity in south asian lines... it doesn't have to be case of every line there, but a lot of people are talking about it. so it seems, that we ended up with hybrids of it only and we have to dig it up from hybrid somehow. it can be successful imo, but it depends what indica they crossed it to... there are tons of thai hybrids and some of them smoke really psychoactive. toms haze is good tool to bring the south asian quality out of thai stick hybrid imo... still it will not be thai stick, but it can be something close to ancient psychoactivity in hybrid form. I crossed toms acid haze with black vietnamese/lieu hahn and will not stop at one cross like that. let see what future brings.
ace seeds chiang mai has 9 - 10 % of thc, grown outdoors in Spain. so grown in Thailand it can be better. but thats for Thailand, I dont grow in Thailand, so I have to rely on hybrid tricks when I want psychoactive weed, right?
DJ Short used highly psychoactive thai in his hybrids:
This thai stuff was purely cerebral, yet mentally devastating in quantity, with absolutely no ceiling. Once, a seasoned smoker friend and I tested how far we could go with the homegrown Juicy Fruit. I recall making it to the 14th bong hit and being completely incapable of continuing. My coordination and depth perception were so skewed that I was unable to physically conquer the bong! The experience rivaled that of taking too much LSD, causing an incapacitation of the psychedelic kind. Yet, it was also uniquely enjoyable, entertaining and educational at the same time. I had sparkly eyes for a day or two afterward.
so maybe I read about that thai stick after 1978, dunno... but I agree with Chi13, sometimes lower thc weed can surprise you... there is much more in biochemical mix we call resin... I read a lot about decline of quality as psychoactivity in south asian lines... it doesn't have to be case of every line there, but a lot of people are talking about it. so it seems, that we ended up with hybrids of it only and we have to dig it up from hybrid somehow. it can be successful imo, but it depends what indica they crossed it to... there are tons of thai hybrids and some of them smoke really psychoactive. toms haze is good tool to bring the south asian quality out of thai stick hybrid imo... still it will not be thai stick, but it can be something close to ancient psychoactivity in hybrid form. I crossed toms acid haze with black vietnamese/lieu hahn and will not stop at one cross like that. let see what future brings.
ace seeds chiang mai has 9 - 10 % of thc, grown outdoors in Spain. so grown in Thailand it can be better. but thats for Thailand, I dont grow in Thailand, so I have to rely on hybrid tricks when I want psychoactive weed, right?
DJ Short used highly psychoactive thai in his hybrids:
This thai stuff was purely cerebral, yet mentally devastating in quantity, with absolutely no ceiling. Once, a seasoned smoker friend and I tested how far we could go with the homegrown Juicy Fruit. I recall making it to the 14th bong hit and being completely incapable of continuing. My coordination and depth perception were so skewed that I was unable to physically conquer the bong! The experience rivaled that of taking too much LSD, causing an incapacitation of the psychedelic kind. Yet, it was also uniquely enjoyable, entertaining and educational at the same time. I had sparkly eyes for a day or two afterward.
juicy fruit thai pheno of dj short hybrid:
this pheno surprised me how thaish the effect was in character. because I would await euphoric but calming weed from dj short genetics, thats what I am used to... but this pheno was very different. very rushy and not so pleasant in effect, with devastating crashing off set - again not typical for blueberry... I crossed it with Mr. Shine to support thai part. I shared some seeds of it, so maybe we will see some plants of it here...
this pheno surprised me how thaish the effect was in character. because I would await euphoric but calming weed from dj short genetics, thats what I am used to... but this pheno was very different. very rushy and not so pleasant in effect, with devastating crashing off set - again not typical for blueberry... I crossed it with Mr. Shine to support thai part. I shared some seeds of it, so maybe we will see some plants of it here...
romanoweed
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no, i dont think your ACE Thai conclusion is right either. Its probably not THE best Thai ever. ??
I have different scenarios in mind: Thai wasnt selected nomore well since heavy probhibition arrived. Actually you nearly showed an Evidence for exact that scenario in previos Statement.
Quote: " the 1978 seizures which originated in Thailand, while still prepared in the form of sticks, showed a dramatic decrease in THC level compared with previous years. A careful study of the physical appearance of seizures of Thai origin for the three years revealed an INCREASING SEED CONTENT in the cannabis.”
So, the Thai Peoples probably just grew the Plants in stress, more hidden, with fewer visits to the Plants, and probably nomore culled anything. Similar to todays Streetweed . I mean would you, while suddenly risking your freedom for the Plants you grow still cull Plants ? Probably not.
I heard a local Collector livng there since the 80s tell the same.
What can a northern grower doo, well thats another story. Any of my buys, the Hoabac Vietnamese, the pure Goeey, the Vietblack were good compromises.. They are either found to be reasonable flowering (hoabac Reeferman) , outcrossed to other equatorials (pure Gooey - Gooeybreeder) , or outcrossed to Chinese (Snowhighs Vietblack)
I found simply the already shortflowering Hoabac best, most psychedelic from them all. or the Hoabac x Vietblack was good too.. Defintly not the last Idea to use simply northern Strains, as close related as possible.. Cause i think i dislike outcrossing, the further the worse..
There are Korean Strains said to measured 17 percent THC, would probably be nice too.
The Kali Myst, suspected Cambodian x SomethingElse, wasnt taking the last rank of them regarding my love for psychedelic weed. I just speculate there is Afghani in it, i felt a emotional obscurity, wich i think is the Hybridisation, but can only specualte if that comes from far hybridisation.
I think Pure Goeey did it better, Gooeybreeder told " i am uncertain on the Hawaiian Lineage, but it didnt put me on my Ass"
The Hawaiian in it is the only one that could contain literally anything, the rest equatorial. And this PureGooey can trow 6 week flowering Phenos.. Unbelevable, and i tell you what, i found it to be pretty acceptable, even tho i react strongly on mad Hybridisation..
I could feel they were getting more sunenergy than my other lines due to the Floweringtime, i felt it in the "sunny "Quality of the effect. This may be interesting to learn what he did. Or not.
He swears also on selecting higher numbers, he does breed since loooong time, i think its also skills to find "fast flower" , but also "psychedelic effect".
Yeah yeah, many claim that they can do that, but all i can say is that i found the PURE GOOEY nice.
All im shure, if you dont use a real Thai from the beginning of any flowering Project.. i mean, what you wanna do then..
What i also know is that Hoabac has still the best floweringtime-to-psychedelic-Ratio of them all.
But if you need it even faster than a 13 weeks , thats when you probably could learn from gooeybreeder, cause 12 weeks is pretty much the limit for SE Asian collected Seeds.
And why dont you just put a thai indoors ?
In short:
-the most psychedelic but short plants you found at origin in the 70s..
-If it needs to be even shorter, ask Gooeybreeder, i can specualte if there was something balanced in the Hawaiian like Lebanese? Or Nepalese? Something that doesent INTERFERE?
IMHO IMHO IMHO
I have different scenarios in mind: Thai wasnt selected nomore well since heavy probhibition arrived. Actually you nearly showed an Evidence for exact that scenario in previos Statement.
Quote: " the 1978 seizures which originated in Thailand, while still prepared in the form of sticks, showed a dramatic decrease in THC level compared with previous years. A careful study of the physical appearance of seizures of Thai origin for the three years revealed an INCREASING SEED CONTENT in the cannabis.”
So, the Thai Peoples probably just grew the Plants in stress, more hidden, with fewer visits to the Plants, and probably nomore culled anything. Similar to todays Streetweed . I mean would you, while suddenly risking your freedom for the Plants you grow still cull Plants ? Probably not.
I heard a local Collector livng there since the 80s tell the same.
What can a northern grower doo, well thats another story. Any of my buys, the Hoabac Vietnamese, the pure Goeey, the Vietblack were good compromises.. They are either found to be reasonable flowering (hoabac Reeferman) , outcrossed to other equatorials (pure Gooey - Gooeybreeder) , or outcrossed to Chinese (Snowhighs Vietblack)
I found simply the already shortflowering Hoabac best, most psychedelic from them all. or the Hoabac x Vietblack was good too.. Defintly not the last Idea to use simply northern Strains, as close related as possible.. Cause i think i dislike outcrossing, the further the worse..
There are Korean Strains said to measured 17 percent THC, would probably be nice too.
The Kali Myst, suspected Cambodian x SomethingElse, wasnt taking the last rank of them regarding my love for psychedelic weed. I just speculate there is Afghani in it, i felt a emotional obscurity, wich i think is the Hybridisation, but can only specualte if that comes from far hybridisation.
I think Pure Goeey did it better, Gooeybreeder told " i am uncertain on the Hawaiian Lineage, but it didnt put me on my Ass"
The Hawaiian in it is the only one that could contain literally anything, the rest equatorial. And this PureGooey can trow 6 week flowering Phenos.. Unbelevable, and i tell you what, i found it to be pretty acceptable, even tho i react strongly on mad Hybridisation..
I could feel they were getting more sunenergy than my other lines due to the Floweringtime, i felt it in the "sunny "Quality of the effect. This may be interesting to learn what he did. Or not.
He swears also on selecting higher numbers, he does breed since loooong time, i think its also skills to find "fast flower" , but also "psychedelic effect".
Yeah yeah, many claim that they can do that, but all i can say is that i found the PURE GOOEY nice.
All im shure, if you dont use a real Thai from the beginning of any flowering Project.. i mean, what you wanna do then..
What i also know is that Hoabac has still the best floweringtime-to-psychedelic-Ratio of them all.
But if you need it even faster than a 13 weeks , thats when you probably could learn from gooeybreeder, cause 12 weeks is pretty much the limit for SE Asian collected Seeds.
And why dont you just put a thai indoors ?
In short:
-the most psychedelic but short plants you found at origin in the 70s..
-If it needs to be even shorter, ask Gooeybreeder, i can specualte if there was something balanced in the Hawaiian like Lebanese? Or Nepalese? Something that doesent INTERFERE?
IMHO IMHO IMHO
romanoweed
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One thing: eventhe pure Gooey has only an 8th Cambodian in it, i am shure i can feel it the maximum quality of this Cultivar. Genetics are most important, Genetic will blow you away.
From then on, try to not interfere in this Energy. And that needs alot Genetics to try out..
You can mix two strains in a Joint to try that out, im pretty shure i can feel interference , like i do in the Kalimist..
From then on, try to not interfere in this Energy. And that needs alot Genetics to try out..
You can mix two strains in a Joint to try that out, im pretty shure i can feel interference , like i do in the Kalimist..
I stick to my plan, as I already made it like that and was testing it last few years and I know the effect of it. results are excellent. toms haze has thai effect, hopefully I will not have to repeat it every post. for me and others it works. this is trainwreck/choc thai x toms haze(different males than Mr. Shine):
the high which makes you sweat and pale.
now question is if it will work with Mr. Shine power. let see in this thread.
surrealV2, mexican x thai hybrid with some ghani in it. mexican from bshw, thai from toms haze, once more pheno 1:
and pheno5, around 80 days:
the high which makes you sweat and pale.
now question is if it will work with Mr. Shine power. let see in this thread.
surrealV2, mexican x thai hybrid with some ghani in it. mexican from bshw, thai from toms haze, once more pheno 1:
and pheno5, around 80 days:
I am not resurrecting thai stick, I am making new forms of thai haze hybrids with reasonable flowering time and with certain indoor adaptability. with Mr. Shine, if he will prove himself as winner, I can eventually cross him with pure thai. in very distant future. but there are already such hybrids, Mac made some for example, and there is thunk from Skunkman. Bush weed has some, ACE made old timer hz x thai hybrid in the past, which was nuts! as well as first release of golden tiger, trippy trance that floors you...
there are few thai phenos of toms haze. there are those lime citric earthy herbal ones, Mac has one, he said he will self it. dont know how far he is with it. it is typical south asian sativa type lemongrass earthy green tea or herbal. green sativas from Vietnam were like that too, . then there are mango phenos, ripe mango/orange/green onion ones, sour green mango metal ones, and last and more rare category is floral musk, I mean strong musk. Mr. Shine is in floral musk category.
there are few thai phenos of toms haze. there are those lime citric earthy herbal ones, Mac has one, he said he will self it. dont know how far he is with it. it is typical south asian sativa type lemongrass earthy green tea or herbal. green sativas from Vietnam were like that too, . then there are mango phenos, ripe mango/orange/green onion ones, sour green mango metal ones, and last and more rare category is floral musk, I mean strong musk. Mr. Shine is in floral musk category.
I am not resurrecting thai stick, I am making new forms of thai haze hybrids with reasonable flowering time and with certain indoor adaptability. with Mr. Shine, if he will prove himself as winner, I can eventually cross him with pure thai. in very distant future. but there are already such hybrids, Mac made some for example, and there is thunk from Skunkman. Bush weed has some, ACE made old timer hz x thai hybrid in the past, which was nuts! as well as first release of golden tiger, trippy trance that floors you...
there are few thai phenos of toms haze. there are those lime citric earthy herbal ones, Mac has one, he said he will self it. dont know how far he is with it. it is typical south asian sativa type lemongrass earthy green tea or herbal. green sativas from Vietnam were like that too, . then there are mango phenos, ripe mango/orange/green onion ones, sour green mango metal ones, and last and more rare category is floral musk, I mean strong musk. Mr. Shine is in floral musk category.
My favorite cut of weed I ever had I didn’t have a clue what it was but it had very strong musk, floral musk with a slight blueberry muffin and spice Finnish. Was good up weed with a smooth comedown kinda sailed. Would finish in 70 days and I still wish I had it. Sorry just love the musk lol.
Grandfunk haze 3 weeks shy a day. A couple tops I had to bend over but nice flexible and sturdy stems so no problem. One plant looks like she's got too much N in the soil, went with a 1/4 strength re amendments but looks like I could have done less still. Some really nice mentholated smell on some of the sticky stem rubs, cleared my nose right out like vics, really excited for these ones. Will put put up a second trellis this weekend, deleaf this week and some final pruning on lowers.
JustGrowing420
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Surreal 40 days 11/13 smells evolving every day, hazy floral funky for now:
Some photos of the other 4 at two weeks to see structure:
Some photos of the other 4 at two weeks to see structure:
JustGrowing420
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Beautiful plants from everyone, the tropical boogie and grandfunk look great.
And the finishing surreals... mmm
And the finishing surreals... mmm
I love musky weed, I was teen in 90s, and it was all about sweet musky herb. thats why I like trainwreck, old time moonshine or super skunk. sweet hashy musk
I call it teen spirit haha Nirvana was bomb in that time and it played everywhere.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DG8yO8qMRc
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