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Original Haze hybrids and psychohaze phenotypes
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Hi!
that nepalese is from Reeferman. and you described it right. short and stocky. they call it sativa according to effect. which is clear and euphoric, no body to it. it lacks some psychoactive plasticity, too flat. but nice daytime weed. they have some indicas in Nepal too, which are different to afghans. I am not fan of it. but as breeding tool for cross with untamed sativa, it is very practical. I dont doubt Kaiki s work.. I still remember you said that landrace do better in your environment than hybrids. why dont you stick with landraces and still try to grow hybrids?
I wish I have such environment...about oaxacan79, I talk high about terps. effect is not comparable to good haze or to oaxacan of yesteryear, effect is also short lasting for real sativa. I am afraid that those psychoactive oaxacans are lost. 79 probably contains some indica(livers terps) as it is short flowering. but effect is very clear and uppity, energetic. good breeding tool. you can see that many people like mextasy(toms haze x oaxacan79). like Numide, LimeyGreen or GoldenTree. top herb. your pics looks like oaxacan79. I didn't find pearly narrow leaf pheno in females I got, but I got pearly pheno in male form. and yes it brings hermie problems...
mextasy form Numide:
good luck with your grows.
some surreals 5 weeks from seed, really uniform in terms of height, some variation with fatter/thinner leaves.
Stem rubs are indeed very woody, with the fat ones having some sharp herbal smells too.
The two on the right are males, waiting on a couple of the others to show sex, then clone, 4 confirmed girls until now. Oh and the little mutant, starting to grow somewhat normal but still struggling.
very woody yes. looks great man, it will narrow in flowering. look at it.
JustGrowing420
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very woody yes. looks great man, it will narrow in flowering. look at it.
I am tempted to put mine in flower but yours looks already more than double height and has way to go still.
Better have patience and flower the clones. Also very high female:male ratio.
I am picking up the sweetness in the stem rub as you said too. I like sweet woody smell.
One of mine is growing horizontal lateral branches, I think this is a more sativa/haze trait?
Most others structure is just like the one you post.
Cool that you are some weeks ahead and indoors also, so I know what to expect.
More confidence for a novice grower
I am tempted to put mine in flower but yours looks already more than double height and has way to go still.
Better have patience and flower the clones. Also very high female:male ratio.
I am picking up the sweetness in the stem rub as you said too. I like sweet woody smell.
One of mine is growing horizontal lateral branches, I think this is a more sativa/haze trait?
Most others structure is just like the one you post.
Cool that you are some weeks ahead and indoors also, so I know what to expect.
More confidence for a novice grower
thats about it. that we have fun together.
yes, better go with cuts, in the end you dont waste so much time like it seems at first.
one of them has very sticky stem, my fingers are sticky still, after 5 minutes from rubbing the stem... sharp herbal spicy fruity smell, woody incense. as far as fruit goes, I hope for holyweed grapes. the smell is addictive. this holy haze will be frosty. when I open box, I just smell typical toms haze smell. fruity metallic...
and yes, more sativa. just look at male. and you will know. wait for flowering
it will have good stretch.funkyhorse
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Hi there Maha
I honestly appreciate the info you share, you are excellent teacher and great master
About Nepal Highland, this is what I bought:
I bought the "P4" batch of supposed landrace charas seed and what I am doing now is an indoor grow to select cut for autumm outdoors
I smoked charas for a little more than 20 years, about 1 tola a week average. Manali charas in the 90s and Nepali charas in the 2000's. I love charas, it is delicious
I only have to comment this and I hope it is not considered trolling because truth should not be considered as such
I bought rocket seed and got rocket plants:
I bought black tomato seed I got black tomato plants. We can later discuss if it is a good idea or a good area to grow these tomatoes or not, or if they are tasty or not but I got what I bought
Black Beauty
I bought a centroamerican tomato which can be separated in sections with your bare hand and it is truth, and is also very delicious!!
Voyage
But in the canna world, it is very rare to get commercially what is advertised and it is a sad thing, commercial releases are not reliable and names are just fancy names in most cases and the real thing is getting rarer and rarer
So the Red Snake strain is a masterpiece of breeding of trully LGBT genetics: an hermie female cut x (reversed girl or intersex boy) which might bring out some interesting X-Men genetics like this Oaxaca leaning plant I call Monstruito which will sex soon. I really like X-Men genetics, I keep all I can but I think is ok for hobby or personal grow and it has no place in a commercial release for top euros unless stated
Monstruito
Or you can see from this LGBT Red Snake cross some interesting variegated leaf on my Punto Rojo pheno
I am growing this Red Snake together with other indica x sativa hybrids so the judgement will be unbiased and good smoke is good smoke, this strain is very interesting for comparing and seeing if something is worth growing outdoors as well.
My environment is very difficult man, this is normal humidity every day and a lot of predating wildlife like guinea pigs who love to eat seed or cut lower branches
And I show you some plants of the winter grow so you understand it is not an easy or a dream place to grow. I never said landraces are easier to grow, I said they are better smoke than modern hybrids. But Ohz is an hybrid and is the best smoke I have together with CG72 so I probably was wrong and some hybrids can be even better
Luang Prabang. Amazing resin. It did produce mature flowers on winter and I am keeping it trying to reveg
I got nice charas from her while trimming and chucking the rotten buds. Smells very nice but this is not the tropics and winter is difficult here. On sunny days temperatures at the greenhouse get over 20C so I am still harvesting some on winter but is sad when you see a beautiful plant mold in just 24 hours
This is the Ohz90 x Seedsman Hz selected cut. I am keeping the best girl of both sides of the cross. The rest of this girl stayed pretty much green, sisters werent that strong
CG72 selected girl winter grow, she will hopefully reveg and I will enjoy next year too
CG72 selected girl Full view so you can see what happens here on winter out of the tropics. Luang Prabang was terrible, I lost half of the plant and some of the fastest hazes from MadMac did finnish on winter but also a lot of mold. The best smoke happened to be the plants that stayed green or almost green
I honestly appreciate the info you share, you are excellent teacher and great master
About Nepal Highland, this is what I bought:
I bought the "P4" batch of supposed landrace charas seed and what I am doing now is an indoor grow to select cut for autumm outdoors
I smoked charas for a little more than 20 years, about 1 tola a week average. Manali charas in the 90s and Nepali charas in the 2000's. I love charas, it is delicious
I only have to comment this and I hope it is not considered trolling because truth should not be considered as such
I bought rocket seed and got rocket plants:
I bought black tomato seed I got black tomato plants. We can later discuss if it is a good idea or a good area to grow these tomatoes or not, or if they are tasty or not but I got what I bought
Black Beauty
I bought a centroamerican tomato which can be separated in sections with your bare hand and it is truth, and is also very delicious!!
Voyage
But in the canna world, it is very rare to get commercially what is advertised and it is a sad thing, commercial releases are not reliable and names are just fancy names in most cases and the real thing is getting rarer and rarer
So the Red Snake strain is a masterpiece of breeding of trully LGBT genetics: an hermie female cut x (reversed girl or intersex boy) which might bring out some interesting X-Men genetics like this Oaxaca leaning plant I call Monstruito which will sex soon. I really like X-Men genetics, I keep all I can but I think is ok for hobby or personal grow and it has no place in a commercial release for top euros unless stated
Monstruito
Or you can see from this LGBT Red Snake cross some interesting variegated leaf on my Punto Rojo pheno
I am growing this Red Snake together with other indica x sativa hybrids so the judgement will be unbiased and good smoke is good smoke, this strain is very interesting for comparing and seeing if something is worth growing outdoors as well.
My environment is very difficult man, this is normal humidity every day and a lot of predating wildlife like guinea pigs who love to eat seed or cut lower branches
And I show you some plants of the winter grow so you understand it is not an easy or a dream place to grow. I never said landraces are easier to grow, I said they are better smoke than modern hybrids. But Ohz is an hybrid and is the best smoke I have together with CG72 so I probably was wrong and some hybrids can be even better
Luang Prabang. Amazing resin. It did produce mature flowers on winter and I am keeping it trying to reveg
I got nice charas from her while trimming and chucking the rotten buds. Smells very nice but this is not the tropics and winter is difficult here. On sunny days temperatures at the greenhouse get over 20C so I am still harvesting some on winter but is sad when you see a beautiful plant mold in just 24 hours
This is the Ohz90 x Seedsman Hz selected cut. I am keeping the best girl of both sides of the cross. The rest of this girl stayed pretty much green, sisters werent that strong
CG72 selected girl winter grow, she will hopefully reveg and I will enjoy next year too
CG72 selected girl Full view so you can see what happens here on winter out of the tropics. Luang Prabang was terrible, I lost half of the plant and some of the fastest hazes from MadMac did finnish on winter but also a lot of mold. The best smoke happened to be the plants that stayed green or almost green
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really dont know when they got that information, it is traditional charas cultivar??? it is from tropical seeds?
look what Kaiki said about it:
or even our ole good friend Limey has experience with it...
I think you are in right direction for very resistant strain that can be very good breeding tool for you. but traditional charas cultivar looks differently... but I think it can make nice charas
edit: and in my opinion you will not imitate nepalese charas even with some manala charas sativas. they make it from big number of plants, and you dont have himalaya climate... oh now I remember that around 2004 or so we ran blue nepalese form Reeferman. great outdoors plants, quick and resistant. so I guess it was same nepalese in it.
look what Kaiki said about it:
I cant define it as clearly sativa or indica, guess there is some indica bottom but mostly sativa indeed as we use to define it. Anyway, ones thinking about a crazy sativa effect can be wrong with Nepal Highland. Its much more social and pleasant
best
kaiki
or even our ole good friend Limey has experience with it...
I think you are in right direction for very resistant strain that can be very good breeding tool for you. but traditional charas cultivar looks differently... but I think it can make nice charas
edit: and in my opinion you will not imitate nepalese charas even with some manala charas sativas. they make it from big number of plants, and you dont have himalaya climate... oh now I remember that around 2004 or so we ran blue nepalese form Reeferman. great outdoors plants, quick and resistant. so I guess it was same nepalese in it.
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GreenAndFast
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May aswell share my cross in here too. Y Sorry if you guys are sick of it. Old Mango (Mango Thai X OTH).
...CR500AF...
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Loving the fan ,how does the rest of the plant look...
Loving the fan ,how does the rest of the plant look...
looks like haze
it is very haze overall, one pheno is hard to distinguish from haze. those others are smaller than real haze. one is not branching well to sides, thats only one. one pheno, which has the stretch of haze but broader leaf, is significantly quicker into flowering. thats what I am looking for. I need quicker robust pheno with good stretch and big yield. + haze resistance. dont need mazar resistance also known as zero resistance... broader leaf doesn't mean it will not be resistant. most resistant pheno of surrealV1 was broader leaf.resistance to plagues is the main reason I started to make seeds for myself, as the most of commercial offerings are not resistant. bred indoors... I am still looking for resistant indica. I got some hawaiian indica, but dont believe it much...
I keep it in small pots to control the stretch. when star crash will be running it, you will see it in big pots. flowers will be like at surrealV1 imo:
Goodherb
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Let the dance begins, should be a funky tropical party !?
...CR500AF...
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Ya man 
ready for boogie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRYKAMjKgto
notice guy in white head in audience, he is dancing and smoking from pipe
around 2:50funkyhorse
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Hi there Maha
I am growing a few indica/sativa hybrids
I have a few questions
This is (GG#4 x Deep Chunk) x (Seedsman Hz x Golli Hz)
Outdoors
Indoors buds
I had 4 girls, 2 indoors and 2 outdoors growing on ascending sun hours
The 2 indoor girls are ok but the 2 outdoor girls showed bananas so something might have been triggered but certasinly I will not try this one again outdoors.
Any clue why outdoors go intersex but indoors dont?
This is Deep Chunk x Ohz
It has been attacked by some mites but she is showing good resistance
I expected more resin in this cross. I got a 2 meter tall plant from seed with thin leaf and chunky buds. I am growing 2 of these girls and they look pretty much the same. I dont know what to expect of the high of this one.
This is MBS x Zamal from Wally
It is similar genetics including Deep Chunk x long flowering sativa, it is so nice to be able to compare side by side grow and smoke
Very nice resin build up like (GG#4 x DC) x Ohz. It seems you need to outcross the Deep Chunk to something else before crossing it directly to a sativa in order to bring the resin up
Have a nice evening
I am growing a few indica/sativa hybrids
I have a few questions
This is (GG#4 x Deep Chunk) x (Seedsman Hz x Golli Hz)
Outdoors
Indoors buds
I had 4 girls, 2 indoors and 2 outdoors growing on ascending sun hours
The 2 indoor girls are ok but the 2 outdoor girls showed bananas so something might have been triggered but certasinly I will not try this one again outdoors.
Any clue why outdoors go intersex but indoors dont?
This is Deep Chunk x Ohz
It has been attacked by some mites but she is showing good resistance
I expected more resin in this cross. I got a 2 meter tall plant from seed with thin leaf and chunky buds. I am growing 2 of these girls and they look pretty much the same. I dont know what to expect of the high of this one.
This is MBS x Zamal from Wally
It is similar genetics including Deep Chunk x long flowering sativa, it is so nice to be able to compare side by side grow and smoke
Very nice resin build up like (GG#4 x DC) x Ohz. It seems you need to outcross the Deep Chunk to something else before crossing it directly to a sativa in order to bring the resin up
Have a nice evening
Hi,
it doesn't matter if it is outdoors or indoors, some stress triggered it. too small pots? indoors you can use small pots, but outdoors they can dry out quickly and that is stress for example.
no. I grew toms deep chunk x haze and it was frosty, nice frost. dont take it personally please, but dont you think that Donald is more experienced than you and he probably worked with bigger numbers, maybe that is the difference.
you just cant think that cannabis is genetically so stable plant that you will use 2 random females and choose some whatever male without closer understanding of line and you will get good results. it would be more luck than anything. it is kind of unstable. it is like at wine variety which is unstable, you need to find good graft and keep it. here only 5 different grafts of certain wine variety are allowed to grow, and no other. and if you are grower of wine, you can buy one of these five and no other. in some breeding program they found these 5 among thousands, and using them in this climate. so some varieties are more or less stable in some particular traits. haze is unstable. but I dont see it like that. I call it plasticity.
zamal male is always funny thing it is something too rare, almost never seen hehehe. so that cross must be really special Horse, have nice evening too.
deepchunkhaze x golden tiger, very psychoactive weed
it doesn't matter if it is outdoors or indoors, some stress triggered it. too small pots? indoors you can use small pots, but outdoors they can dry out quickly and that is stress for example.
no. I grew toms deep chunk x haze and it was frosty, nice frost. dont take it personally please, but dont you think that Donald is more experienced than you and he probably worked with bigger numbers, maybe that is the difference.
you just cant think that cannabis is genetically so stable plant that you will use 2 random females and choose some whatever male without closer understanding of line and you will get good results. it would be more luck than anything. it is kind of unstable. it is like at wine variety which is unstable, you need to find good graft and keep it. here only 5 different grafts of certain wine variety are allowed to grow, and no other. and if you are grower of wine, you can buy one of these five and no other. in some breeding program they found these 5 among thousands, and using them in this climate. so some varieties are more or less stable in some particular traits. haze is unstable. but I dont see it like that. I call it plasticity.
zamal male is always funny thing
it is something too rare, almost never seen hehehe. so that cross must be really special Horse, have nice evening too. deepchunkhaze x golden tiger, very psychoactive weed
funkyhorse
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The stuff I grew and grow from Wally is top quality, so it is an excellent measure to see what the difference is between top notch breeding and home made amateur made with whatever you have x whatever you have. I just had one Deep Chunk plant that was the only one to sprout out of 8 from an old Chimera repro. I am just happy that I have the chance to see and compare.
The GG#4 x DC Haze girls were at these vegetable boxes turned into grow beds made out of recycled soil enriched with fresh EWC. At least 35-40 liters in those beds.
Is it possible that very high humidity levels over 80% every day all day could have triggered it?
But this Fighting Buddha x Ohz is growing in the same kind of grow bed, no bananas and I kept what you see from her so I can learn when it revegetates
So you are saying Zamal males are rare. I found in Northern Thailand line girls or intersex girls but no males. Is Zamal something like this too?
It means if I sprout let's say 8 seeds from 3 different Zamal lines total 24 seeds and I am lucky enough to get all seeds up, will I obtain something like 24 girls or if I am lucky 23 girls and 1 boy??? No chance of finding 70/30% in Zamal? With 30% males I would be happy
The GG#4 x DC Haze girls were at these vegetable boxes turned into grow beds made out of recycled soil enriched with fresh EWC. At least 35-40 liters in those beds.
Is it possible that very high humidity levels over 80% every day all day could have triggered it?
But this Fighting Buddha x Ohz is growing in the same kind of grow bed, no bananas and I kept what you see from her so I can learn when it revegetates
So you are saying Zamal males are rare. I found in Northern Thailand line girls or intersex girls but no males. Is Zamal something like this too?
It means if I sprout let's say 8 seeds from 3 different Zamal lines total 24 seeds and I am lucky enough to get all seeds up, will I obtain something like 24 girls or if I am lucky 23 girls and 1 boy??? No chance of finding 70/30% in Zamal? With 30% males I would be happy
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