Tutorial Organics for Beginners

[vonforne]

a question for vornfone, or a nother helpfull icmag user.

i have been looking at maxicrop, seems there are several lines, such as Original seaweed extract, take root,Plus Sequestered Iron, and the list continues, what do you recommend.

semms as many of their products, are based on seaweed ? couldent powdered fish meal work?

hope you guys can help. take care gravy

ish hydrolysate is good also. If you cannot get the Kelp meal then Liquid extract is an alternative. It is the dark green bottle from Maxi that I used to use. Original seaweed extract is the dark green one. I works great as a folair spray also.

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[IE2KS_KUSH]

rupertb, I have had those same issues, and seen them alot on the boards, I think it's fairly common, when I had them, I was using just FFOF, nothing added, and all PBP line up w/ calmag, lk, etc...nothing like you are doing, what I am getting at is that I don't think it is the mix or dry ferts themselves, I think it's a common issue across the board w/ a range of grow types....never seemed to be too detrimental, but I did notice that those symptoms would go away for me when I would transplant to larger fresher containers, and usually got worse the longer the plants were in one container..don't know if that is just my imagination, or if it may have anything to do w/ it...
used RO the whole time, ph'd everything to perfection etc...
Only happened w/ one pheno of my MK, never on anything else...never really figured it out 100 percent, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it...

 

[louie]

Ive got a few Liquid Karma questions? So in the instructions it says to use when wetting the mix (LC's #1 and recipe #1) for the first time at 1 tbs/ gallon (of water). So if I use 12 gallons of water to wet my mix, then I would add 12 tbs. to the mix? Am i understanding this right?......I was also thinking about using it when I water once plants are in the mix. How often and how much should I use? I usually water with tap water that has been bubbled and switch to tap+molasses at about week 4 of flower. I have also heard Liquid Karma isn't 100% organic, will this hurt my mirco heard? (guessing no)

 

[rupertb]

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[habeeb]

^ hey man, it's not a big deal, add some and be done. also make sure your not making mud, 12 gallons? alot of soil?

I think what would work better is EM-1

 

[habeeb]

IE2KS_KUSH :


I'm not really losing sleep over it but it would be nice to get it sorted out so I don't end up with dead leaves sandwiched inside buds again. The appeal of organics to me was healthy plants without the need to visit the hydro store. This is not limited to one phenotype or strain, and doesn't cease after transplant. I've had much healthier plants using GH nutes (various mediums) and even MG soil (no lime) without ever using meters / PH adjustments (Same cuts spotting in this mix). I suppose I could return to Miracle Grow without visiting a hydro store but I'd rather get this solved as I already invested in LC mix , amendments , guanos , seaweed, molasses, LK etc.

sometimes we overthink stuff. I find if having problem, PH the water and be done. organics is harder then chemical as chemical feeds the roots, and what your doing is feeding the microbes, so it can be tricky getting started, just take it as a learning experience, see what works and doesn't work, and adjust from there. plants aren't instant, and learning is the same way, it takes some time to learn to grow organic..

 

[VerdantGreen]

IE2KS_KUSH :


I'm not really losing sleep over it but it would be nice to get it sorted out so I don't end up with dead leaves sandwiched inside buds again. The appeal of organics to me was healthy plants without the need to visit the hydro store. This is not limited to one phenotype or strain, and doesn't cease after transplant. I've had much healthier plants using GH nutes (various mediums) and even MG soil (no lime) without ever using meters / PH adjustments (Same cuts spotting in this mix). I suppose I could return to Miracle Grow without visiting a hydro store but I'd rather get this solved as I already invested in LC mix , amendments , guanos , seaweed, molasses, LK etc.

rup does it happen most when you first repot the plants or does it develop after the plants have been in their pots for a while?

 

[VerdantGreen]

p.s. rup are you using ozone in there to reduce odour??

 

[rupertb]

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[VerdantGreen]

seems odd that it would be so widespread. i think changing your water source for a couple weeks may well be worth it. also (although many would disagree) i always pH my waterings to around 6 and i believe that this and the dolomite lime in the soil gives a nice sweep through the optimum pH range for nutrient availability.
i applaud you for trying to solve the problem whilst not stressing it too much and would encourage you to stick with organics as they tend to be pretty easy most of the time.

one of the plants in the pic looks a bit wet and the leaves a little droopy - do you let them dry out between waterings? and that is perlite (not vermiculite) isnt it??

are all the plants kept in the same environment??

may be worth posting a thread in the infirmary section

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[rupertb]

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[Organics-Alive]

better than compost tea.

better than compost tea.

I have been brewing Tea for over 10 years and this is by far my favorite.
Organics ALive 1.5 GAL Mini Brew.. These guys have it down to a science.
www.organicsalive.org

 

[VerdantGreen]

How are you adjusting your PH, apple cider vinegar?

citric acid. bought some powder on ebay. i mix up a bottle of 1-2 tablespoons to a pint of water and then use this as pH DOWN (edit) . if yours is 7.4 then it shouldnt really be neccessary, but worth a try
my water pH is 8-9

i recently grew some sativas and found them to be much happier when kept pretty dry most of the time with a bigger watering maybe once a week.

 

[gravy]

thanks for the answer, i have got powdered kelp meal, will get som sort of ocean goodies.

thanks for helping.

gravy

 

[cosmiccowboy]

I was thinking about that earlier and read you shouldn't use rain water collected from asphalt shingles. I'm not sure about the calcium content.

never heard that before.

 

[judas cohen]

VG: I think you meant to say pH DOWN regarding citric acid^^^^ in your last post. I've been using AC vinegar, but drifts too much, as you probably know. Think I'll try citric acid at the ratios you listed. My tapwater is 8.3.

I enjoy and learn from your posts. I bloom under 250 HID also. Great little light for personal grows.

Be Happy/Grow Safely.

 

[vonforne]

VG: I think you meant to say pH DOWN regarding citric acid^^^^ in your last post. I've been using AC vinegar, but drifts too much, as you probably know. Think I'll try citric acid at the ratios you listed. My tapwater is 8.3.

I enjoy and learn from your posts. I bloom under 250 HID also. Great little light for personal grows.

Be Happy/Grow Safely.

JC you need to become a school teacher ora book editor. You would excel at both above the norm. LOL Good job.

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[otherwhitemeat]

What effect does ambient temp have on making Guano Teas? The reason I ask is that temps here have been dropping to about 40-50 at night. Very soon, winter will be here.

Guano teas are quite messy and foam up which makes the garage the perfect place, I am concerned about stifling biological activity when it gets cold out. Do I have reason to worry? I have an aquarium heater and was thinking of perhaps doing a tub of heated water, and then a tub inside of that to make a small sink of warmth for my teas. (a TiT for all you shroom growers)

 

[jaykush]

as a general rule with organics the warmer it is the faster it will process, the colder it is the slower it will process.

 

[C21H30O2]

VG: I think you meant to say pH DOWN regarding citric acid^^^^ in your last post. I've been using AC vinegar, but drifts too much, as you probably know. Think I'll try citric acid at the ratios you listed. My tapwater is 8.3.

I enjoy and learn from your posts. I bloom under 250 HID also. Great little light for personal grows.

Be Happy/Grow Safely.

fulvic acid works well as pH down and has a added benefit of fortifying the plant against stresses.