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Tutorial Organics for Beginners
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Need some help
Need some help
Relativeley new to soil totally new to organics, so if the questions are dumb take it easy on me.......... running a micro sog, I got the soil from my local garden store its called Dr Q's Filthy Rich Organic, Contains Peat Moss screened worm castings compost, forest humus, bone meal, feather meal,kelp,organic lime and perlite, I added more perlite to the mix my taio is probably 70/30...................my plants are LOVING It, best growth I have seen
I am not sure how long the soil will feed ( working from clone) in the event I need to feed later in bloom, I want to avoid using the chem ferts I have, I am considering using fish emulsions 5-1-1 plus molasses, 1tblspn each, does this sound good???
Need some help
Relativeley new to soil totally new to organics, so if the questions are dumb take it easy on me.......... running a micro sog, I got the soil from my local garden store its called Dr Q's Filthy Rich Organic, Contains Peat Moss screened worm castings compost, forest humus, bone meal, feather meal,kelp,organic lime and perlite, I added more perlite to the mix my taio is probably 70/30...................my plants are LOVING It, best growth I have seen
I am not sure how long the soil will feed ( working from clone) in the event I need to feed later in bloom, I want to avoid using the chem ferts I have, I am considering using fish emulsions 5-1-1 plus molasses, 1tblspn each, does this sound good???
Organic Rooster
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Great thread!!
hey bigd21. I would use ferts before the girls show some kind of def. I'm sure they will be happy in that soil for a nice period of time. If you will use ferts to soon there is a big chance you will get some kind of a lock or burn and that will complicate your grow.
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i got some questions too. I'll be doing a container grow and my basic mix sounds like this - 50% compost, 30% leaf mulch, 20% castings. i'm getting tips to use perlite to make my medium more light/fluffy. Is it really necessary? What can i use instead of perlite in case my mix is too heavy?
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i got some questions too. I'll be doing a container grow and my basic mix sounds like this - 50% compost, 30% leaf mulch, 20% castings. i'm getting tips to use perlite to make my medium more light/fluffy. Is it really necessary? What can i use instead of perlite in case my mix is too heavy?
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Hello all,
I was thinking...if wormcastings at worm poop and they live in soil, do they not also consume a portion of the soil in the process of eating the organic matter in the soil?
And if then this is the case would not a soil-less mix that contains WC then contain inogranic soil matter (clay, sand {mircoscopic} and the other componants inteh casting not of organic nature)?
And if this is indeed the case then we are in fact use a soil mix rather then a soil-less mix.
And indeed if we are using a soil mix rather then a soil-less mix then I say to you we were sold a bill of goods.
And if we were indeed sold a bill of goods should we then allow this hanus misconseption to perpetuate?
And if we should allow this injustice to go undone then we, Gentlemen, are apart of the problem.
But who is to blame for this grotesque spewing of mis-information. Is the guilt to clearly be placed on the organic community.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did!
But you can't hold a whole organic fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals.
For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole organic fraternity system? And if the whole oranic fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our organic institutions in general?
I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society?
Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
minds_I
Actually was wondering.
I was thinking...if wormcastings at worm poop and they live in soil, do they not also consume a portion of the soil in the process of eating the organic matter in the soil?
And if then this is the case would not a soil-less mix that contains WC then contain inogranic soil matter (clay, sand {mircoscopic} and the other componants inteh casting not of organic nature)?
And if this is indeed the case then we are in fact use a soil mix rather then a soil-less mix.
And indeed if we are using a soil mix rather then a soil-less mix then I say to you we were sold a bill of goods.
And if we were indeed sold a bill of goods should we then allow this hanus misconseption to perpetuate?
And if we should allow this injustice to go undone then we, Gentlemen, are apart of the problem.
But who is to blame for this grotesque spewing of mis-information. Is the guilt to clearly be placed on the organic community.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did!
But you can't hold a whole organic fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals.
For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole organic fraternity system? And if the whole oranic fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our organic institutions in general?
I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society?
Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
minds_I
Actually was wondering.
dirkdaddy
Member
I'm experiencing what I think to be a pretty bad mg deficiency. since this is my first time around I just kind of ignored the lime green fan leaves with dark veins until the bottom/small leaves started turning totally yellow and browning off and dieing. i've treated so far with 1/4 tsp gal of epsom salt watering and the same solution in a foliar spray. its been 24 hrs since the treatment and the plant seems to be holding which I take as a good sign. the top foliage is is still nice and green and growing but somewhat slow. the plant is funny to look at because it goes from lime to darker green top to bottom. I pray it is an mg def because if not I really don't know what it is. i've had a problem with fungus gnats but I don't think they could cause this big of a problem (treated that problem as well with a top layer of dry perlite).
I believe this problem attributed to my dolomite lime makeup and the fact that I am using coco instead of peat. my lime percentages of mg compared to the bag toodles posted is much lower; it says it contains 6% mg and 24% cal. I believe the coco exacerbated this low mg in the lime by leeching it out (or whatever the process is called) like coco is known to do with cal/mg. also, I checked my water supply report and judging from that there is hardly any mg in my tap water and the water is far from being hard.
I don't have a fancy ph tester but I did but some ph test strips and the runoff comes in a 6.8 so I know that shouldn't be it. burn, or anyone, i'd like your input on what you think. Im new to this so I may have it all wrong. I'll throw some pics up if necessary. but judging from all the browsing/research I've done it definitely looks like a mg deficiency IMO.
btw, I'm using LC's mix mix with dry recipe #1. just over 4 weeks veg in 3 gallon grow bags.
I believe this problem attributed to my dolomite lime makeup and the fact that I am using coco instead of peat. my lime percentages of mg compared to the bag toodles posted is much lower; it says it contains 6% mg and 24% cal. I believe the coco exacerbated this low mg in the lime by leeching it out (or whatever the process is called) like coco is known to do with cal/mg. also, I checked my water supply report and judging from that there is hardly any mg in my tap water and the water is far from being hard.
I don't have a fancy ph tester but I did but some ph test strips and the runoff comes in a 6.8 so I know that shouldn't be it. burn, or anyone, i'd like your input on what you think. Im new to this so I may have it all wrong. I'll throw some pics up if necessary. but judging from all the browsing/research I've done it definitely looks like a mg deficiency IMO.
btw, I'm using LC's mix mix with dry recipe #1. just over 4 weeks veg in 3 gallon grow bags.
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dirkdaddy
Member
I did follow it exactly, I thought I made that clear. I think if turns it that it was an mg def then you should amend the instructions. put something in about checking the percentages of mg in your dolomite lime and being wary of mg issues when using coco because of known issues. I did not experiment at all with the recipe. I followed it to a T and used well flushed/high quality coco.BurnOne said:
I'll post back here in a few days pending on if it was in fact a MG deficiency or not.
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solarz
Member
Dirk,
i may be wrong...but what B1 may be referring to is the fact that you are using Coco. I don't recall that being in the "recipe" at all. Like i said...i may be wrong, but it seems to me that is what he was referring to. And on a side note...if you notice that your percentages are less than what others have had...then amend it on your end to equal (or get as close to) the percentages others are using. For example...if someone posts that they are using lime with a percentage of 24 and your's only has a percentage of 6...then use an adequate amount to bring your percentages up to 24. I hope that makes sense...good luck.
i may be wrong...but what B1 may be referring to is the fact that you are using Coco. I don't recall that being in the "recipe" at all. Like i said...i may be wrong, but it seems to me that is what he was referring to. And on a side note...if you notice that your percentages are less than what others have had...then amend it on your end to equal (or get as close to) the percentages others are using. For example...if someone posts that they are using lime with a percentage of 24 and your's only has a percentage of 6...then use an adequate amount to bring your percentages up to 24. I hope that makes sense...good luck.
dirkdaddy-
I went back and read your post again.
The Mg percentages were a little low and I thought I read that you used a different lime than dolomite.
My bad.
But I guarantee you that if you used powdered or pulverized dolomitic limestone at 2 tbs./gal. of total mix, you don't have a magnesium problem.
ID the problem before you start treating it or you'll cause more problems.
Burn1
I went back and read your post again.
The Mg percentages were a little low and I thought I read that you used a different lime than dolomite.
My bad.
But I guarantee you that if you used powdered or pulverized dolomitic limestone at 2 tbs./gal. of total mix, you don't have a magnesium problem.
ID the problem before you start treating it or you'll cause more problems.
Burn1
LC’s Soiless Mix #1:
5 parts Coir
3 parts perlite
2 parts wormcastings or mushroom compost or home made compost
Powdered (NOT PELLETIZED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
...Just to clear things up.
Burn1
5 parts Coir
3 parts perlite
2 parts wormcastings or mushroom compost or home made compost
Powdered (NOT PELLETIZED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.
...Just to clear things up.
Burn1
How would I adjust recipe #1 for heavier feeding indicas/hybrids?... my mazars and sol mix swt+bh got a little hungry in the standard #1... one application of PBP grow at a moderate 10 ml/g greened things up, but i'd rather not have to feed extra N... instead mix in a pinch more blood so they can have enough food into mid-flower... how much? extra 1/4 tbl per gallon of LC's mix?
