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Tutorial Organics for Beginners

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the aquarium ones are about the same price as the ones in the hydro stores but the hydro store ones will have a thermostat so you can keep your teas at 68F while the cheap aquarium ones are set to stay at 78F. the hydro store ones are made of titanium and you can pick what amount of watts for how big your barrels are. I've even seen the a similar one in the aquarium store. but either way, the titanium rod style are the best for quick heating of large bodies of water and it regulates temps very well. worked wonderful in my 25 gallon rez. I would want something a bit more powerful to help make up for the loss of heat during heat exchange with the cold basement floor. I would purposefully set my rez on the cement to help keep it cooler. you could put it on a piece of carpet :)
 

Weird

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Hey now, good to be posting in this forum. Been a long time hydro grower and thought it about time i give organic a try. I actually did in the beginning, but lack of research and pisspoorperformance resulted in as you would expect. Now i am looking to learn about organics so i can grow some food and simplify my life. Here's what i am wondering:

I veg my plants for 60-70 days and then flip them. In coco which is what i am experienced with i grew them in cups>1gallon>5gallon. I was planning on doing the same with organic. I will root in my aero, then plant into cups of soil. Then leave in the cups for a few weeks before then switching them into 1 gallon smartpots. They would typically stay in the Ones for 3 weeks, and then onto the 5 gallon pots.
I am using LC's mix #1 with Recipe #1.

Does anyone think i should skip any of those pots? Is it a problem to leave them in 5 gallons for 13 weeks or so(the last 2-3 weeks of veg and up to 10 weeks of flowering)? With 1000w hps blasting from above, is it likely i will need to supplement whats in the soil with some added nutrient for plants that are relatively large? I will definitely be brewing some ACT every few weeks to keep a strong microbe population.

This organic thing has made growing fun again. Hope it stays this way for a while.
Thanks for helping and much respect to Burn1 for guiding so many.

Your up potting process is dependent on your approach to organics.

Some organic methods allow for the same container strategies that you use in coco. Such as LC#2 combined with earth juice teas.

On the other spectrum methods with such as LOS (living organic soil no till) you want to disturb as little of the soil as possible so multiple transplants become counterintuitive to the method and are less productive.

After working with several organic methods I have transitioned to LOS and prefer it as a methodology.

I root in rockwool mostly, put them into plastic cups or small potting containers (say 5"x5"x5") and that is it, they go right into the final pot from there (10 gallon smart pot).

I veg them in the final container in the flowering room, the living soil is aggressive (more so the longer its established) however and I find I only need a 2-3 weeks before I am ready to flip and based on my previous runs I am over vegging a bit, although I do tend to slip when it comes to time lines.

It works well for me and my situation and desired results.

Have you decided on which direction you wanted to go in organically?

What are your desired/required results?
 

Weird

3rd-Eye Jedi
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the aquarium ones are about the same price as the ones in the hydro stores but the hydro store ones will have a thermostat so you can keep your teas at 68F while the cheap aquarium ones are set to stay at 78F. the hydro store ones are made of titanium and you can pick what amount of watts for how big your barrels are. I've even seen the a similar one in the aquarium store. but either way, the titanium rod style are the best for quick heating of large bodies of water and it regulates temps very well. worked wonderful in my 25 gallon rez. I would want something a bit more powerful to help make up for the loss of heat during heat exchange with the cold basement floor. I would purposefully set my rez on the cement to help keep it cooler. you could put it on a piece of carpet :)

aquarium heaters have adjustable thermostats

10-15$
 

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the first one I purchased didn't have one you could set yourself. just thought I'd point it out beforehand.

you want the glass bonded stones that are grey colored. not the blue colored ones.
 

Weird

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thats odd ladybean cause diff fish need different tank temps

on the subject of aquarium heaters do not get glass. I worked in the industry for a few years and used to run 100s of tanks for a wholesaler and it kinda sucks to put your hands into electrified water.
 

Weird

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the ones in hte warehouse were primarily glass and sometimes they would break

fucking sucked to get shocked to shit when you put your hand in a tank, was a rare occurrence but still sucked.

non glass ones dont break like that
 

VerdantGreen

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@inreplyavalon:

if you have space contraints then its fine to use smaller pots when the plants are small. i actually think that you get a better/bigger root system that way anyway because canna roots arent that efficient at using all the soil. (that said i till and amend the soil each run)

the main thing if you are up-potting as the plants grow is to do so before the growth slows down or stalls. ride that wave of explosive growth!
 

Mikell

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I prefer the titanium coated ones for fast heating of a reservoir, but when used to maintain temperature while brewing, I found the temperature swing too great, with burnt organic matter on the heating probe. The glass probes heat a tank slower and I've had a few break, but have never had the crusted up/burnt residue. I assume the glass buffers any temperature extremes from the heating element.

I haven't had a shock yet, but have dealt with electrified water :D

Airstones, what LLB said. Only thing I would add is that I prefer the cylinder/egg shapes. More durable, and I've yet to have one snap, crumble or otherwise wear out in a ridiculously short amount of time, as with the bar shape.
 

Ph-patrol

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Airstones, what LLB said. Only thing I would add is that I prefer the cylinder/egg shapes. More durable, and I've yet to have one snap, crumble or otherwise wear out in a ridiculously short amount of time, as with the bar shape.

Thanks You:tiphat:
If any one has a link to a good deal with free shipping.Pass it on

you want the glass bonded stones that are grey colored. not the blue colored ones.

Thanks:tiphat:
 

Microbeman

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http://www.petco.com/product/114078/Tetra-Submersible-Aquarium-Heaters.aspx

but I bought it at walmart.

how can you electrocute yourself? I make sure all my electrical connections are not on the floor for flood safety but was not aware that you could get electrocuted brewing. it was recommended by MM.

Just to straighten things out here, it is the glass bonded diffusers I recommend and I have never recommended aquarium heaters.

http://pentairaes.com/air-diffuser-3-l-x-3-w-3-8-od-barb-6-mm-pe.html

On the subject of aquarium heaters, I do use them in my aquariums
but did switch to metal from glass (titanium I believe) Have a look at the little known intelligence of fish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J5a9QSBB2A
 

Weird

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Just to straighten things out here, it is the glass bonded diffusers I recommend and I have never recommended aquarium heaters.

http://pentairaes.com/air-diffuser-3-l-x-3-w-3-8-od-barb-6-mm-pe.html

On the subject of aquarium heaters, I do use them in my aquariums
but did switch to metal from glass (titanium I believe) Have a look at the little known intelligence of fish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J5a9QSBB2A

what is your recommendation on heating teas being brewed in cold places?

In my my basement gets below 60 degrees.

I am not going to heat the basement when I can simply use a heater to heat the tea.

I am missing something here?
 
I am wondering if anyone has used mix 1 with only compost and not earthworms. The reason I ask this is be uase I have access to local mushroom compost or black kow compost, but no EWC. I can order low quality EWC off eBay or Amazon though if anyone knows a good quality source from those places. Thank you.:tiphat:
 

Weird

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I use commercial castings and am very pleased with agrowinn earthworm castings

I get them locally at a decent price but it seems they sell them online as well.


Quality Assurance:

Lab Tested: 99% Pure Organic Worm-Castings

Not produced with yard waste, landfill waste or compost

Not made with Horse, Cow or any grazing animal manure

Guaranteed Weedseed free

Organic Material Review Institute “OMRI” listed

Indoor manufactured and fed a controlled quality diet

The worms Diet includes high quality mineral rock dust

Free of E-Coli and Salmonella

Contains natural soil microbes

Guaranteed the Highest Standard for Worm-Castings
 

Ph-patrol

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what is your recommendation on heating teas being brewed in cold places?

In my my basement gets below 60 degrees.

I am not going to heat the basement when I can simply use a heater to heat the tea.

I am missing something here?
I think if your air pump is pulling cold air into your brew constantly it will force the heater to run constantly killing Microbes.
I run a small electric room heater in small area pointed at my 5 gallon bucket and air pump. Keeps water and air intake warm.

As it gets colder I am going to bring brew into warm area for 27 hours. Im sure you will work it out.
 
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