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Organic tree grow with 4,000 watts

Vindie$el

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I have been reading OG, CW, ICmag and some assorted others for years. This is my second post ever and my first thread. I thank all the hundreds of growers who helped me. My first indoor grows were with reflectors, light movers, expensive bottled nutrients and additives. I bought and tried almost everything the hydro store salesman sold me. I averaged 1.5lbs per 1K light.

Now when I go to the hydro store I buy cloning solution, liquid karma, Fox Farm light warrior for seedlings and earthworm castings (they actually have the best price in town on EWC). I decided to post what I do to show that you don't need anything complicated to get great yields or spend a fortune in setup and maintenance. The amount of products I buy is very limited.

I buy; blood meal, jamaican bat guano, kelp meal, perlite, earthworm castings, molasses, liquid karma, light warrior and cloning solution. The original soil was either roots organic or fox farm ocean forest. I do the soil recycling thing and love it to death. I don't have to lug multiple bags of potting soil frequently into the house. I don't spend $15 a bag for decent potting soil or have to go through many different suppliers to make something similar on my own. I spend 3/4 less money per month and my plants yield better, taste better, and stay healthy all the way through.

The other thing I disliked about hydro store style growing is the complicated feeding schedules and pH and TDS readings. I had problems that I was always doing something to correct it. Now it feels like a ron popeil commercial I just set it and forget it. I make a tea that bubbles 24/7 and I refresh it every 3-4 days. I use about 25 gallons of water ever 3-4 days so I have on bucket that makes a strong tea which I dilute 5 parts water to 1 part tea. I water everything with the tea from seedlings to big plants and right up till the end. Simple!

The tea is 4 cups earthworm castings, 5 tbs molasses, 6 oz liquid karma in 4 gallons of water in a 5 gallon bucket with air stones. I just dump all the ingredients right in the bucket and stir, no sock.

When I recycle my soil I chop the soil up real good after harvest and let the roots die and break down for a week or two. I do this in the 18 gallon rubbermaid tubs. At this point they are about 1/2 to 2/3 full and then I add 2 gallons of earthworm castings, 1 cup dolomite lime, 1/2 cup blood meal, 1 cup jamaican bat guano, 2 cups of kelp meal. I then label the bin for one month ahead and let it sit and cook. I use this soil when ready for everything except seedlings and clones which I use Fox Farms light warrior.

I do about 8-12 plants per light in a circle around the light. I place the light above the plants until they start to bud and that's when I drop the light down in between. and the light stays there until they are done. I don't rotate my plants. I use shortened tomato cages to support and train but for the most part I let them do their own thing. If the plants are big enough the tomato cages just provide support and the plants do most of the training themselves fighting for the light.

I clone in homemade 10K style bubble cloners and sometimes I use a solution such as olivia's, B-cuzz or Power clone. I am currently using power clone because it works better and doesn't clog the air holes in my bubble wands. I know it's not 100% organic but I need to use it on some strains to get roots with fast success. Strain permitting I prefer just straight water with foliar feedings of EWC tea.

I have my room on a perpetual harvest which provides me with over 2lbs per harvest every 2-3 weeks. :thank you: To all the people over the years who helped me to get to this point. This online community of growers is the best. I gained a pound per light yield increase from reading OG, CW, and ICmag. I would like to thank Krusty for me the potential of vertical. He was a little crass but he was right. All of those reflectors are junk that hydro store owner makes money on. I would also like to thank the 3 little birds whose soil heresy stopped me from throwing out my most prized possession which is my living soil.
 

Vindie$el

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Vindie$el

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I am not getting how to add photos to the thread. I had camera problems and now I am not getting how to add photos. I got one in my album.
 

Vindie$el

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I am browsing the site trying to figure out how to add photos to the thread because I seem to be doing it wrong. If you click on my gallery there is one there at the moment
 

oldgrayhair

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Sounds like a sweet set-up Vindie$el, can't wait to see more.
Wondering if you need a certain number of posts to attach pics the normal way...kinda like the certain number of posts to PM.

Anyways, got my chair pulled up.

Peace - ogh
 

Vindie$el

Member
I went through all kinds of problems getting these photos in the first place with camera issues, uploading issues, and so on. These are not the best shots they are the ones that loaded LOL! I wanted to show you some time lapse with a 400 HPS that I use in veg. My veg room is a study in using the space you got to the max. My veg room is a small master bath with room 5'x5' room with a sink and then a 5'x5' room with a tub and toilet. I built a shelf over the sink and the tub. I run 2 250watt MH over the sink where I veg 10 big plants and all my mothers and some clones. For transition from clone/seedlings I put them under the 2 shop lights hanging from the under that shelf and pack them in planted in cut off 2 liter bottles. Last but not least the 400watt HPS hangs vertically over the tub and I veg 14 big plants there. I also fill my water buckets and do my tea in this room as well so it's pretty crowded in there. I wish I could show you the whole room shot. Anyway thanks for stopping in and I'm glad I at least got some photos up for you guys if they are not the best.
 

Vindie$el

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Thanks for the compliments everyone.

Here is a shot of my proving grounds. I guess this is considered a micro vertical. Those are 68 watt cfl's.



I sex new seeds and try out new strains with my ghetto test closet. I bought the timer for $7 and each socket is $6 and the cfl's were $15 a piece. So for about $50 bucks I built this set-up. The tubs I cut for the bottom was scavenged but you could use anything for that.

These are some mystery beans from a case of unwanted cannabis sex. They were from a new L.A. dispensary so I have high hopes. I don't look down on these seeds as bastard children. I see them all as opportunities to be successes and sprout them with open arms. In a few weeks there will be some chemdog sour diesel in this closet and I'm quite excited about that. I got sssdh as well but I chose to not finish any in the test closet because that's Rez genetics and that goes straight to the big room no feeler gauge needed! There are two very frosty Mazar-i-Sharif beans I got as freebies from the Boo. I misplaced the pack and found them months later. I misplaced them sober and found them when I was stoned. Isn't that the wrong way?
 

Vindie$el

Member
Pricing out the test closet had me thinking.....How much do I have invested in the equipment I currently use? I paid $200 a piece of the 3 1000 watt HPS ballasts. $100 a piece for the 3 1K hortilux lamps. I paid $100 for the 1000 watt MH ballast and $75 for the lamp. My big 850cfm exhaust fan cast me $150. My 9000BTU portable A/C unit cost me $300. My 400 watt HPS lamp included cost $100. 2 shoplights at $15 each. MY two 250watt MH complete units came free but they cost $200 in stores. I would use another 400 if I didn't already have the 250's. In the veg room I use a 465cfm which cost me $100 with flange and ducting included. I use 4 and 6 gallon pots and I have about 50 of each at an average of $1 a piece. I have 12 18 gallon bins for soil recycling at $5 each. My 3 homemade cloners cost $20 a piece and I have 4 $40 air pumps. 10 homer buckets at $2.50 each. All the assorted hardware and lumber cost me around another $100 bucks. So for all the equipment minus tools it cost me about $2250 for the set-up.

I figure about 30-35 bags of ocean forest are in my soil loop so at $15 a pop that's $450 to $525 for soil. I probably used 3 $25 bags of perlite. and I continue to use perlite but very sparingly now. So lets tack on another $600 to bring us to $2850 and let's round it up to $3000.

Now to monthly expenses

At 12 cents per kilowatt hour this set up with veg on 18on/6off and bloom on 11on/13off this set up should cost around $300/mo to run in electricity. I buy 4 bags of EWC at $12 each. On the dry fertilizers I use about 1lb of blood meal every month and pay about $1.50 per lb. I use about 2lb of jamaican bat guano per month which I buy for about $3lb. I use 4 lbs of kelp meal per month and I pay about $3 per lb for kelp meal. I use 2lbs of dolomite lime which I pay $0.50 per lb. I pay $12 per gallon for horticultural grade molasses and $60 per gallon for Liquid Karma and These last for months. I would estimate it costs $400 to maintain this grow which gets my 4lbs per month.

Anyone with a walk in closet they can use and $200 bucks can set up a 400 watt hps and grow some vertical trees and get 3/4 of a elbow easy. I hear it all the time "I want to grow big but I can't afford it". A 400 watt on a bloom schedule uses about $0.36 per day to run and the fan about the same so for about 70 cents a day or the price of a cup of coffee you too can grow lovely marijuana plants in your home and after a few months you get progress reports on your new homegrown marijuana....I started to sound like a save the children commercial for a minute sorry about that.
 

Mr_Ed

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Anyone with a walk in closet they can use and $200 bucks can set up a 400 watt hps and grow some vertical trees and get 3/4 of a elbow easy. I hear it all the time "I want to grow big but I can't afford it". A 400 watt on a bloom schedule uses about $0.36 per day to run and the fan about the same so for about 70 cents a day or the price of a cup of coffee you too can grow lovely marijuana plants in your home and after a few months you get progress reports on your new homegrown marijuana....I started to sound like a save the children commercial for a minute sorry about that.

It's so true. Nearly all my friends with their recommend get $60 1/8ths at the dispensary and say "I wish I could grow trees". My 150HPS gives me all I need and more and I only notice a difference if I have to run the A/C for more then a few days a month...

Great looking grow. you have me inspired to get a 400 and start growing bigger!
 

Vindie$el

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I like can do kind of people! e-conolight.com has some 400 watt flood lights for about $100 lamp and ballast included. It's what I use in veg. My little test closet could pull 2oz if you did it right and that could last me almost 2 months. What did that cost? Less than a $60 1/8 and if you added a pack of $200 genetics you would re-coup your money in about 4 1/8s or about 2 weeks of smoking for me.
 
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