Ordering Seeds, Safely...

[STARGATE]

Posted by stargate:

>>>they will only accept cash (no paper trail) and ship seeds with no return address labels. <<<
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My observation in the newly hyper-vigilant, post-9/11 United States of Amerika is that through rain, sleet, hail, snow, and voyeuristic government-contract employees, sending things via mail absent a return address tends to look more suspicious than not.

Just an opinion acquired from watching the world go by..

The more normal a package or envelope appears, the less scrutiny it'll be apt to get.

Regards,

moose eater

If the package is small and stealthy there will not be any "voyeurs" except those in the mind of paranoid people.

For the small grower NOTHING has really changed safety-wise after the HS bust. This holds true for all seedbanks whether in Canada or the UK. It is business as usual for them.

 

[Guest]

STARGATE wrote:

>>>NOTHING has really changed safety-wise after the HS bust<<<
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I wasn't thinking about HS' situation at all. The post office has an expanding list, especially since 9/11, of what makes a package 'suspicious.' They've been removing contraband from circulation for a very long time now, as part of what they do.

Among the things that are included on their growing-lengthy list of suspicious features are 'no return address,' and '(packages that are taped with excessive amounts of duct tape).'

But if what you're doin' is workin', have at it.

I was simply throwing in what I personally consider to be a safety issue, based on past education.

A bogus return address is likely better than no return address at all; one appears out of place, and the other looks like it blends in with the other 99.9999% that nearly ALL have return addresses.

Blending in with the surroundings has always been a part of survival whether talking about chameleons or postal packages.

Regards,

moose eater

 

[STARGATE]

STARGATE wrote:

>>>NOTHING has really changed safety-wise after the HS bust<<<
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I wasn't thinking about HS' situation at all. The post office has an expanding list, especially since 9/11, of what makes a package 'suspicious.' They've been removing contraband from circulation for a very long time now, as part of what they do.

Among the things that are included on their growing-lengthy list of suspicious features are 'no return address,' and '(packages that are taped with excessive amounts of duct tape).'

But if what you're doin' is workin', have at it.

I was simply throwing in what I personally consider to be a safety issue, based on past education.

A bogus return address is likely better than no return address at all; one appears out of place, and the other looks like it blends in with the other 99.9999% that nearly ALL have return addresses.

Blending in with the surroundings has always been a part of survival whether talking about chameleons or postal packages.

Regards,

moose eater

The post office in almost ALL countries does not have the time to look at each small letter as it flings by the sorting machines. Simply TOO much mail goes thru the postal system. On occasion they may find one most likely as a result of sniffing dogs and not by anything else.

 

[Guest]

Standard letter-size vs. pouch or package

Standard letter-size vs. pouch or package

Hi STARGATE,

In the U.S., since 9/11 the post offices (and their compadre's at airport freight terminals, etc) don't simply rely on auto-sorting. There are folks monitoring the conveyors not only for those letters that gum up the works, but for anything noticably out of the ordinary

Suspect packages are often probed with a gas chromatography wand and swab or insert needle for testing.... not unlike the unit used at the security gate at the airport that they rub across the zipper and openings of your carry-ons.

Additional 'clues' that they look for include packages that are inordinately light for their size.

These are not cases involving the presence of a dog. If a suspicious package draws their attention, THEN a dog and handler are called.

I can personally attest to two persons having very unpleasant experiences accompanied by abrupt changes to their zip codes, following packages that they thought were 'bullet-proof' to dogs being probed.

I'll leave it at this: if there's a method of doing anything more safely, especially when one may be gambling with their life, property, freedom, marriage, family, and all of the other chips that might be on the table, I can't personally think of any real reasons not to take that mild step.

The fascisti may be idiots, but even idiots win the lottery. Why buy them a ticket?

Regards,

moose eater

 

[Indica Jones]

 

[Guest]

"Heyyyy, Mr. Post Man" -or- "Take a Letter, Maria.."

"Heyyyy, Mr. Post Man" -or- "Take a Letter, Maria.."

Hey I.J.

That looks like some shitty mail to get, even if one has been hoping for correspondence for a while.

Like I said to SG above, there's lots of loose strings in anything grey or black, and the fascisti are pretty dense, or they wouldn't work for the asses that they work for, but even idiots win the lottery.

And with everything that a person has to risk in that game, anything possible should be done to make sure that one isn't buying Darth Vader a lottery ticket.

When they win, someone potentially loses big.

And that nanno-second of 'Oh SHIT!!' can feel like it lasts a life-time, brother.

Regards,

moose eater

 

[Guest]

scam

scam

this was another scam by high grade....

 

[BruceLeeroy]

here's what i did, may not work everywhere but it sure worked for me. i signed up for a post box at an independent mail outlet (NOT USPS) and showed them ID, and also asked them to put my roomate's name on it (gave a fake name) which they gladly did. then i waited until someone different was on shift(other than the person i dealt with in person) and told them my name was (fake name) and that (real name) had moved to a different city and needed taking off the account. they did this without question. wait another couple weeks, call back in and tell them you moved and need to update your info, and give a fake phone and address. the key is to talk to different people each time, and to NOT use USPS (much stricter about "the rules"). odds are if you play this cool, you can have a box in a fake name at a fake address in under a month.

i bet you could also get away with going back in after a few weeks and talking to the person that initially set you up, tell them that your moving and you just want to leave it in your roomies name. they may insist the roomy come in but i doubt it (as long as you dont say his name is omar shabuqya or achmed handari).

 

[slyfoxberg]

i may be a dumbass (well, i am according to my last couple of girlfriends), but i used my c.c. and got my seedboo beans mailed directly to my PO box. no problems. got them in about 7-10 days on 2 orders i made within a month of each other. different strokes for different folks i guess. i only do outdoors though and have about 100+ acres to stash my girls on so i am not all that worried. good luck.