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ORDERING A PIZZA IN 2008
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Gelatinous said:
There's actually a news story about a family that all have chips in them - voluntarily, true, but that's just an executive order away :wink:
Seems they felt it was there part in the War on Terror, after 9/11 they just had to do it.
I saw the video about that family for a class I was taking. Scary stuff.
I think the kid in that family wanted to be l33t and be an early adopter of this technology. The parents, of course, had some bullshit reason for wanting to do it. Was probably the same reason.
However, I don't think most people in America are THIS braindead [yet] to get chipped.
There are a number of groups that would make very strong and public counter-arguments to this plan (the ACLU for one)
However, if parents find this to be a good idea, and they probably will, they will chip their kids who have no say wether they want it or not, and the following generation will find this to be just standard practice and it will become a standard practice.
I think the kid in that family wanted to be l33t and be an early adopter of this technology. The parents, of course, had some bullshit reason for wanting to do it. Was probably the same reason.
However, I don't think most people in America are THIS braindead [yet] to get chipped.
There are a number of groups that would make very strong and public counter-arguments to this plan (the ACLU for one)
However, if parents find this to be a good idea, and they probably will, they will chip their kids who have no say wether they want it or not, and the following generation will find this to be just standard practice and it will become a standard practice.
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here is some evidence here:
http://www.infowars.com/print/bb/carlylematrics.htm
and here
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=65061
and here are some people being duped
http://www.2vandaag.nl/index.php?module=PX_Story&func=view&cid=2&sid=28739
Translation
A report about the first people in the Netherlands who are getting an implanted chip to pay their bar-accounts. The Baja Beach Club introduces the chip, who asides pays the bills, who are also providing their customers of certain privileges.
This electronic wallet is a Radio Frequency Identification Device (RFID). This chip the size of a grain of rice who is implanted on a fast and painless manner beneath the skin. A Verichip-scanner can read the unique number via a radio frequency and link this into the paying system from the Baja Beach Club. Every chip owner can pay their orders with a balance. And every chip owner can upgrade the chip in accordance that the electronic Baja wallet can keep up with the consumption pattern. A report.
http://www.2vandaag.nl/index.php?module=PX_Story&func=view&cid=2&sid=28739
Transcript of the video
Reporter: No more a wallet on a night out but paying with a implanted chip under the skin. That was yesterday night for the first time possible in the Baja Beach Club of Rotterdam. People who are willing to do so, can have a chip implanted in the upper arm. The chip is your entrance, your the admission ticket to the VIP-deck and your method of payment. The first customers got their chip implanted yesterday evening. Reporter Eric Poostman was there.
The Baja Beach Club. At 6pm last night, the first candidates to be chipped are cueing in line. The first 25 candidates are getting the chip for free with an additional 250 Euros on their balance.
Reporter: Doesn't it scare you, such a chip?
Man: It isn't, isn't it? They are doing this all clean with doctors who have the diplomas for it. So ... it doesn't scare me.
Reporter: But why do you want it?
Man: Because I come a lot to the Baja en it is much more profitable, I think.
Reporter: Are you still cool without the chip?
Man: Sure!
Kjeld Piek (PK) from the Baja Beach Club: We were actually looking for something innovating for the VIP-deck. Many clubs have a credit card or a key hanger or whatever. But at a certain time we did say: "We want to have something handy for the people who are going out."
Reporter: Handier than this you can get because you can't loose it?!
PK: This one you can't loose. And principal, you don't have to take anything with you, except for your house or car keys or your slipcard. So, you have only an underskin wallet and that's how you come in.
Reporter: Does it only have advantages?
KP: Yes, we believe so. Just a very handy of going out.
Reporter: At 7:30pm, the small podium is crowded with people when the the first chips are getting implanted.
Reporter: Why did you do that?
Man1: Why should I care what the people say about me? I never did crazy with tattoos and crazy piercings. ... Honestly, I never let it be done on me. I never let anything crazy be done on me so, let us do something crazy now. Don't you think?
Reporter: That's what this is all about, doing something crazy?
Man1: Yes, it is.
Reporter: Is it dangerous, to chip somebody?
Doctor Leon Timmerman: No, it certainly is not dangerous but it could ... Look, if you plant something into healthy people, then you can only become worsening. So, you have to do it very careful. Do it as proper as you can. As clean as you can. You have to make sure that their is a minimum of extravagation of blood. But principle, there is no danger at all.
Jo van Gaal (JvG) club owner: We still have to install a few things for the computers. And in fact, as soon as the system is back online, we want, from this Thursday on, the opening from the VIP-deck combining with the chip.
Reporter: How does things work when you want to pay?
JvG: If you want to pay, you come in with the chip. Incredibly tiny. I hope it can be seen with the camera. It has the size of a ...
Reporter: Of a grain of rice.
JvG: A grain of rice. You already seen how it was implanted. Then you come at the cash-desk, you go by the reader, we see your photo, you are being welcomed.Then you can go straight through the VIP-deck. There you are also being "scanned". Then we see that you are a chip owner. And then you are welcome at our deck. And there you can pay with the chip.
Reporter: What if someone for example gets very ill?
KP: Look, it is a system that is been tested in America. Nowadays, it is also a system that is being used a lot in the medical world for example the anti-conception pill. So, becoming sick from this is something that can't be tolerated.
Reporter: But is possible. Did you have taken already any juridical steps?
KP: Look, we have, let's say ... It is so that the receiver of the chip becomes the sole owner of the chip ones it is implanted. So, the owner of the chip can do whatever he wants with it. So, he or she can remove the chip anytime they want. It is just a question of how they want to deal with it.
JvG club owner: I think that it is a new system, progressive and we must see the fun of it.
Reporter: Are you already working on the next stunt?
JvG: Not yet. We first have to put this one on strong fixed legs, opening the VIP-deck and then we can go on with the next thing.
Reporter: Next the whole of the Netherlands has this.
JvG: Yes, that's why. That has happened before with the Baja Beach Club. Everybody follows en we are always trying to be the fore-runner. That is a little bit our starting point.
Man1: I believe on a certain moment it's going to be every where. (Names a few clubs.) In any case, from the Baja it always continues.
Reporter: You were the second. Didn't you wanted to be the first?
Man1: No no, not at all.
theres more if you like...
treb
http://www.infowars.com/print/bb/carlylematrics.htm
and here
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=65061
and here are some people being duped
http://www.2vandaag.nl/index.php?module=PX_Story&func=view&cid=2&sid=28739
Translation
A report about the first people in the Netherlands who are getting an implanted chip to pay their bar-accounts. The Baja Beach Club introduces the chip, who asides pays the bills, who are also providing their customers of certain privileges.
This electronic wallet is a Radio Frequency Identification Device (RFID). This chip the size of a grain of rice who is implanted on a fast and painless manner beneath the skin. A Verichip-scanner can read the unique number via a radio frequency and link this into the paying system from the Baja Beach Club. Every chip owner can pay their orders with a balance. And every chip owner can upgrade the chip in accordance that the electronic Baja wallet can keep up with the consumption pattern. A report.
http://www.2vandaag.nl/index.php?module=PX_Story&func=view&cid=2&sid=28739
Transcript of the video
Reporter: No more a wallet on a night out but paying with a implanted chip under the skin. That was yesterday night for the first time possible in the Baja Beach Club of Rotterdam. People who are willing to do so, can have a chip implanted in the upper arm. The chip is your entrance, your the admission ticket to the VIP-deck and your method of payment. The first customers got their chip implanted yesterday evening. Reporter Eric Poostman was there.
The Baja Beach Club. At 6pm last night, the first candidates to be chipped are cueing in line. The first 25 candidates are getting the chip for free with an additional 250 Euros on their balance.
Reporter: Doesn't it scare you, such a chip?
Man: It isn't, isn't it? They are doing this all clean with doctors who have the diplomas for it. So ... it doesn't scare me.
Reporter: But why do you want it?
Man: Because I come a lot to the Baja en it is much more profitable, I think.
Reporter: Are you still cool without the chip?
Man: Sure!
Kjeld Piek (PK) from the Baja Beach Club: We were actually looking for something innovating for the VIP-deck. Many clubs have a credit card or a key hanger or whatever. But at a certain time we did say: "We want to have something handy for the people who are going out."
Reporter: Handier than this you can get because you can't loose it?!
PK: This one you can't loose. And principal, you don't have to take anything with you, except for your house or car keys or your slipcard. So, you have only an underskin wallet and that's how you come in.
Reporter: Does it only have advantages?
KP: Yes, we believe so. Just a very handy of going out.
Reporter: At 7:30pm, the small podium is crowded with people when the the first chips are getting implanted.
Reporter: Why did you do that?
Man1: Why should I care what the people say about me? I never did crazy with tattoos and crazy piercings. ... Honestly, I never let it be done on me. I never let anything crazy be done on me so, let us do something crazy now. Don't you think?
Reporter: That's what this is all about, doing something crazy?
Man1: Yes, it is.
Reporter: Is it dangerous, to chip somebody?
Doctor Leon Timmerman: No, it certainly is not dangerous but it could ... Look, if you plant something into healthy people, then you can only become worsening. So, you have to do it very careful. Do it as proper as you can. As clean as you can. You have to make sure that their is a minimum of extravagation of blood. But principle, there is no danger at all.
Jo van Gaal (JvG) club owner: We still have to install a few things for the computers. And in fact, as soon as the system is back online, we want, from this Thursday on, the opening from the VIP-deck combining with the chip.
Reporter: How does things work when you want to pay?
JvG: If you want to pay, you come in with the chip. Incredibly tiny. I hope it can be seen with the camera. It has the size of a ...
Reporter: Of a grain of rice.
JvG: A grain of rice. You already seen how it was implanted. Then you come at the cash-desk, you go by the reader, we see your photo, you are being welcomed.Then you can go straight through the VIP-deck. There you are also being "scanned". Then we see that you are a chip owner. And then you are welcome at our deck. And there you can pay with the chip.
Reporter: What if someone for example gets very ill?
KP: Look, it is a system that is been tested in America. Nowadays, it is also a system that is being used a lot in the medical world for example the anti-conception pill. So, becoming sick from this is something that can't be tolerated.
Reporter: But is possible. Did you have taken already any juridical steps?
KP: Look, we have, let's say ... It is so that the receiver of the chip becomes the sole owner of the chip ones it is implanted. So, the owner of the chip can do whatever he wants with it. So, he or she can remove the chip anytime they want. It is just a question of how they want to deal with it.
JvG club owner: I think that it is a new system, progressive and we must see the fun of it.
Reporter: Are you already working on the next stunt?
JvG: Not yet. We first have to put this one on strong fixed legs, opening the VIP-deck and then we can go on with the next thing.
Reporter: Next the whole of the Netherlands has this.
JvG: Yes, that's why. That has happened before with the Baja Beach Club. Everybody follows en we are always trying to be the fore-runner. That is a little bit our starting point.
Man1: I believe on a certain moment it's going to be every where. (Names a few clubs.) In any case, from the Baja it always continues.
Reporter: You were the second. Didn't you wanted to be the first?
Man1: No no, not at all.
theres more if you like...
treb
G
Guest
Nothing I could find in those articles said anything about mandatory implantation by the gov't. If I missed something in that regard, feel free to point it out.Gangabiss said:20 seconds of searching finds this:
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Chip_Implants/index.html
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35766
The technology is there and I see your concern though
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Haha, I just thought about something. Hell a good 1/4 of the motherfuckers here don't even have a driver's license or insurance, and most of those who don't have been driving for years. I suspect that realID would work great in Cali or NY or something, I'm not so sure about Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama,etc. I bet the cops would end up just having to chase a lot more people down here.
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It's not that you will go to jail for not carrying this card. It's that you won't be allowed to do things you're able to do now without any problem like get on a plane and fly state to state.
I'm sure as time goes on, the list of things you wont be able to do will grow and grow to the point where we will be a society where you have to have your ID in order to walk outside. I mean, even now cops feel they have the right to stop you randomly on the street and ask for your ID (they don't have that right).
I'm sure as time goes on, the list of things you wont be able to do will grow and grow to the point where we will be a society where you have to have your ID in order to walk outside. I mean, even now cops feel they have the right to stop you randomly on the street and ask for your ID (they don't have that right).
mrgrowmez
Member
i live in a country where every one has a personal number/national id...its used for everything from video cards to licenses to tax yada yada yada you cant do anything without one....but to be honest its no different from living in a country without one...for example australia....it doesnt mean the government can control you any more then it can without one......
G
Guest
I dont see this ever in the USA. To many people with guns and Bibles.
If they ever get their way and ban guns it could happen but not with soooooo many guns in the hands of people like me.
Having said that.... make you think dont it.
If they ever get their way and ban guns it could happen but not with soooooo many guns in the hands of people like me.
Having said that.... make you think dont it.
G
Guest
I agree.
But I have seen the signs that they would like to do this. I remember in the 80s they talked about getting rid of paper money and going to a debit card to help "FIGHT The WAR On DRUGS" Hard to buy a sak with a debit card.
I would not be suprised at what any population will do. I think 90% of humanity are sheep.
But I have seen the signs that they would like to do this. I remember in the 80s they talked about getting rid of paper money and going to a debit card to help "FIGHT The WAR On DRUGS" Hard to buy a sak with a debit card.
I would not be suprised at what any population will do. I think 90% of humanity are sheep.
KingRalph
Active member
robobond said:
sorry i forgot about the thread... in reference to someone being arrested based on a correlation from a pizza delivery order tying in to a database and flagging alert based on warrants or even fines...
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/internetprivacy/2004-04-27-pizza-no-privacy_x.htm
there ya have it.
and concerning the RFID tags... to say it's perfectly normal and wait until it's mandated for everyone to worry, well that would be too late now wouldn't it. sheesh, learn how to read the writing on the wall, for your own good. here is a link to a bunch of RFID current info of uses being conducted in the US, including Social Security, etc.
http://www.infowars.com/cashless_society.htm#rfid
and concerning what the NationalID will entail... well let's just say it's the central database of databases, that will include your banking, as illustrated currently here in a test program with current licenses...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeS2j7yK66k
as you can see, this isn't a video of some fake program showing you what it -could- be like, or news of what could be, they are WHAT ALREADY IS. you need to start prepairing for the world in which you will have to live, if you so refuse to take action to change things, or just can't (hooray low-profile requiring hobby hehe). best of luck to everyone, we'll need it.
thats from freedom to fascism
https://www.paymentcard.com/secure/retailers/MTG/
This is the website for the sheep to "Enroll" on that stupid program to use your drivers license to pay.
Anyone else want to keep on doubting the lenghts the US goverment goes to snoop on the citizens?
About National Payment Card
Examples of ACH payments include:
Direct Deposit of payroll, Social Security and other government benefits, and tax refunds;
Direct Payment of consumer bills such as mortgages, loans, utility bills and insurance premiums;
Business-to-business payments;
E-checks;
E-commerce payments;
Federal, state and local tax payments.
And now Driver’s License E-Checks
This is the website for the sheep to "Enroll" on that stupid program to use your drivers license to pay.
Anyone else want to keep on doubting the lenghts the US goverment goes to snoop on the citizens?
About National Payment Card
Examples of ACH payments include:
Direct Deposit of payroll, Social Security and other government benefits, and tax refunds;
Direct Payment of consumer bills such as mortgages, loans, utility bills and insurance premiums;
Business-to-business payments;
E-checks;
E-commerce payments;
Federal, state and local tax payments.
And now Driver’s License E-Checks
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