Oldtimer's Haze

[photoperiodic]

I love the pure sativa my last run was panama red reeferman. ansd i ran red Lebanese from him also talk about some finiky bitches.they hermied it was a fucking mess. looking back my fault totally the genetics were there but i wasn't the pure landraces are a odd lot.in now way can they be grown for profit unless you live in paradise.

 

[smokehog]

That is one nice looking plant. I am smokeing oldtimes x UK cheese with a slight chocolate taste

 

[Illuminate]

Could that one in question be an expression due to hormonal changes, it looks as if the bracts are bigger too. That is the most extreme of changes, i even looked at it first and figured it was one of the polluted f2? Where is EnglishRick we need his opinion!

Like if a mother plant is in a state of hormonal imbalance, could this change the scion plant?

I have a trainwreck from seed that was in the care of another grower who pumped it up with PGR(Paclobutrazol) in the form of roots excelerator, will the cuts i take from this stocky little narrow leaf expression show the same stunted nodes? (the widow in the same nft system at this guys house was like a cabbage lol..guess thats what happens when you dump the whole bottle in a res)

 

[BoldAsLove]

Yeah it's interesting, isn't it? I posted the following question in the ultimate sativa thread and got opinions from a few. I think the general consensus was that it was due to the age and revegged nature of those plants, but could hormone level be the true underlying cause?

Original post:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....36181&page=652

I have a question for fellow tropical NLD growers:

Have you ever matured a tropical NLD plant fully and then reveged the entire plant without cutting any flower down?

I ask because that's exactly what happened with these two Oldtimer's Haze plants, and their clones ended up growing like this:

#16

#5

Instead of like this:

#7

These last two pictures were clones originally taken in early flower from the seed plants (around three months into the plants' life). I couldn't get #5 or #16 to clone, so I ended up reveging those entire plants AFTER they had already had 6 months of life (3 months of flower to mature their seeds in a window lit room). I realize this could just be due to the extra maturity time of those two particular seed plants, but it's a stark difference in structure compared to the rest of the plants grown from clone. Especially when all of the seed plants looked so similar in structure when matured in the window lit room. I've reveged sativas before (granted not quite so tropical as these) and they never changed structure so much.

So, this is the question I pose to all you experts

Maturity time of seed plant? Reveg method? Just genetics? Lucky soil mix? What do you think?

 

[BoldAsLove]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I added this later to clarify:

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Thanks for chiming in EB. Let me explain the events a little more clearly and more detailed:

1. Seeds were germed and plants were veged under LED (14/10) for 3 months

2. LED was flipped to 11/13 and the plants were allowed to make their initial stretch under LED (about another 3 weeks)

3. Clones were taken during this time except for #5 and #16 which wouldn't go, and were rooted and placed under the LEDs at 11/13

4. Seed plants were pollinated for the first time

5. Seed plants were moved to a window lit room to mature the seeds another 2.5 months (worked great). They saw around two to three hours of direct light a day.

6. #5 and #16 were placed in a closet with fresh soil and a 42w cfl on 24/0 to reveg. I didn't cut anything off the plants. The entire plants were placed into the closet. The plants reveged from the tops of the flowers, and clones were taken and grown under the LEDs.

Environments would have differed as such:

LED box on average was around 26 c day/ 20 c night with 60 - 70% RH

Window room was on average around 22 c day/ 20 c night with 40 - 50% RH

I found a couple pics I took of those seed plants in the window lit room, though I wish the pics were better and that #5 was a side view:

#5 seed plant

#8 seed plant

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[Terpene]

2 weeks later, my three larger pure purple hazes are "flowering" steadily under the CFLs. I've already had to raise the lights - twice! You might notice this is a new CFL fixture (9 x 23w), I had to build one with more room to accommodate the larger plants coming from my new veg armoire.

 

[Dr.King]

2 weeks later, my three larger pure purple hazes are "flowering" steadily under the CFLs. I've already had to raise the lights - twice! You might notice this is a new CFL fixture (9 x 23w), I had to build one with more room to accommodate the larger plants coming from my new veg armoire.

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Nice looking plants man. All Green is what we like to see . If your pure purple hazes are like my OTH's they will get very tall. I did straight 12/12 on my OTH's and Green Hazes. OTH's got 5 foot tall and the Green Hazes got over 6 foot tall. I had to LST the top on both which turned out to be a great thing. They all basically Srogged their self which are making them fill out so nicely. They all still have 2 months flowering left.

How long did you veg yours for? I've heard Purple Haze doesn't stretch as much as Green Hazes so that's good news. Good luck man.

 

[Terpene]

How long did you veg yours for? I've heard Purple Haze doesn't stretch as much as Green Hazes so that's good news. Good luck man.

Roughly 2.5 months of veg on those three. You're right, they're going to get VERY tall.

 

[Dr.King]

Roughly 2.5 months of veg on those three. You're right, they're going to get VERY tall.

Nice! You will be very happy the with end yield result if you vegged for that long . Mine are looking to yield probably 2-3 oz's each, not bad for 12/12 but took quite a while. The quality of the cannabis is so much better, it's well worth the wait. What kind of height are you limited too? Hope you have high ceilings lol.

 

[Dr.King]

Update on my Oldtimers' Hazes and Green Haze. Been running these beauties for 4 and a half months now nearly 5 months since 12/12 from seed. 2 weeks ago I switched the light cycle down to 11/13. Think in 2 weeks or a month should I switch it to 10/14? The OTH's #2 was mutated but female so I kept her anyways. Each have 3 gallons of coco and I am having to water every other day now. Using 400w MH, 240w Led(over Green Haze), 1 dual 4 foot T5 with 10,000K Finishers from Agro Max(Over the OTH's). Posting photos to get some insight on maybe how long they have until their ready for harvest. I have a general idea but figured who better to ask then the best. Here are some photos, thanks all and happy growing.

Mutated OTH, She has been receiving Overdrive and it sure did plump it up a bunch.

My nice OTH, still receiving Big Bud. Figure I'll switch to Overdrive within the next week.

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Whole Plant

The Green Haze is the one I am having questions on. It still looks so green, I know it's suppose too. She is still receiving Big Bud as well an planing to switch to Overdrive in 2 weeks.

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Rest of the Plant

 

[Terpene]

My three taller purple hazes are now four weeks into flower under the CFLs.

Two of the three are actually throwing pistils at week 4, which is about 3 weeks ahead of my last purple haze. The spindly third haze has a couple of pistils here and there, but looks much more similar in development to my 26 week pheno.

 

[master chine]

Dam ...5 month loool à will be dead à dry à look them grow

 

[Terpene]

5 weeks in, 2 of the 3 phenos are well on their way. Meanwhile, the spindly pheno continues to stretch into oblivion. You can see the stretchy one in the top left corner of the shot.

 

[Dr.King]

5 weeks in, 2 of the 3 phenos are well on their way. Meanwhile, the spindly pheno continues to stretch into oblivion. You can see the stretchy one in the top left corner of the shot.

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Nice looking, they are all very uniform. That stretchy one remembers me of my Green haze lol. 26 weeks is why I had to change my lighting to 10/14 for my Green haze. It just will not ripen up even with 11/13. Not having atleast or over 1000 watts in my 5x5 tent doesn't help much either. Can't wait too see your finished buds, should be tasty .

 

[Terpene]

At 5.5 weeks, my three purple hazes are starting to really show their differences. I labeled each pheno with black / blue / green zip ties around the stems.

First up is the "black" haze. The most vigorous and first to show flowers (and frost), its filling the fastest and looks more like what I'm used to from an Ace haze thai line. The stems smell very much like any oldtimers green haze I've seen, greenish, mature sandalwood, incense, spice.

The "green" haze is a little less vigorous with a bit more distance between nodes. It showed flowers about the same time as the black haze, but has focused a bit more on stretch at the expense of flowers. Stems smell very much of sandalwood, but "clean" - freshly sanded sandalwood as opposed to older beachwood..

The "blue" haze is spindly to the point it needs to be attached to a trellis and looks like its going to be a long running haze like my last one. Stems have that typical purple haze blackberry liquor aroma.

 

[Dr.King]

Harvested my Oldtimer's Haze(this one was 18 weeks) and I must admit it is the best I have ever smoked. Loved it way more then Malawi or Panama. It really is next level cannabis. Anyone doing outdoor grows I would recommend picking these up and growing some super trees. I know I plan too in 2 years once I move so I can do outdoor grows. First time in a long time since I have had that "first time" type of high again.

Time for a smoke report. First couple of bong rips sent me floating into the air. Actually felt like I was floating sometimes, loved it. Also had quite a bit of color changing effect. Sorta psychedelic, no tracers more cool lights and my mind letting me believe that somethings appeared differently then in reality. I was packing my third bowl up for many more rips, before I packed it up again my reflection in the bowl made it appear as a eye staring at me. I was then making it go in and out so it would go from small to really big and was really making me laugh for nothing. Which I love my weed to do. It is my holy grail for now. This was one week after harvest without a cure. I can only image how it will be in 2 months, can't wait .

 

[Bleiweis]

Wow! Looks lovely Dr.King! Must be superb for sure

 

[Thcvhunter]

Is the Kerala pheno to be found in OTH?

 

[rolandomota]

Do you mean mango taste when you say kerala pheno?

 

[Thcvhunter]

No, I mean Indian Kerala plant - super long flowering, wispy, intense trippy high lasting 4hours

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