Oldtimer's Haze

[Sideshow-Bob]

Hola

Couldn't sleep and was reading through this thread, it's beautiful! i've seen and read it at least 10 times now, and it continues to amaze me, thank you all for keeping things real

so much good energy in this thread, so much love, we really need this kind of mindset in these times! really sad to see kaiki leave - thank you for everything you have done for us! you'll continue to be an inspiration for growers worldwide...

You honour me charlie! Thanks so much troesma!!!
You're absolutely right about that special qualities in the high wich can't be easily replicated nowadays. I don't know if its only due to genetic diversity lost, or it's because an hybrid as such captures the essence of the time and the vibes of the people who bred it.
The OldTimer's Haze opened my mind in many different ways, from grower perspective, from smoker perspective and from cannabis lover in all. It never ceased to surprise me, from the time i read about it, to the time when i was smoking the last buds of my purple haze almost two years after germinating the seed! At that point i had some trips on it that were a complete blow-out for me. Truely psychedelic experiences that you get from entheogens like mushrooms or LSD.
But for people who didn't fell in love with her like i did, maybe it wasn't 'too potent' or 'too tasty', because they have different parameters for potency or taste. For me is, withouth doubt, among the best (and i've grown and smoked lots, believe me).
Thanks so much to you charlie, and the ACE collective, we could have this completely different cannabis experience. And love to OldTimer who preserved this time-capsule over the years.
here its the purple Old Timer's Haze with 6 months cured

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un abrazo grande

great post!

I have not had the chance to try the pure OT Haze yet, but different Purple Haze x Panama phenos, all of which were fantastic hazy expressions!

It is a bit harsh to smoke at times, and smell doesn't really translate to the taste that well, but the room sure smells hazy after burning it.

it still maintains a certain wildness -unworkedness, which contributes to its amazing complexity. the haze aroma is so incredibly complex, yet uniquely elegant and easily spotted once you know it.

where it really shines is when it's vaporized! perfect translation of the smell to the taste, and the effect is pure sunshine, you just have to let go and grin

like tasting sun shining through the fractal cloud edge

though i find a cure of at least 2-3 months essential for the sunshine effect, shortly after harvest it tends to be too physically stimulating and racy for my liking and can be a rough ride with quite a bite of paranoia (but even more psychedelia)

hazes teach us patience a lot!

thank you all for the good vibes and heres some more to add

 

[Sideshow-Bob]

Some freshly manicured Purple Haze x Panama:

 

[Galactic]

Re: Oldtimer's Haze

Really dank! Spaceman stuff it looks

 

[sativagrower87]

Nice foxtails, Bob!

 

[De La Luz]

Nice foxtails, Bob!

 

[Tlapapa]

beautiful buds mate!!

 

[dubi]

Thanks for share it Sideshow-Bob and for your kind words

Im still amazed about the number of views in the oldtimer's haze thread. Plenty of good info about this very special and extremely tropical haze line.

The Green Haze 19 x Panama and Purple Haze 23 x Panama were very successful hybrids, only released around 2008-2009 but we still receive
very good feedback about them. Will try to reproduce them again in the future.

 

[Prest1]

What is an ideal light cycle for them in veg? 18/6 as normal? Or something closer to 13/11 or something? Will have a look back through this thread.

 

[Tlapapa]

My oth's - Three males, two green phenos, one purple male, one purple female and the last still not showing sex.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

My oth's - Three males, two green phenos, one purple male, one purple female and the last still not showing sex.
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i luv those thin leaves

 

[recent guest]

I finally thought I had time to read all the way through this thread but I was wrong. Sorry Ace'rs, would you be able to give me a quick tidbit of info?

I live in a place, like most, where plant count is a factor in criminal charges so I want to keep my plant count below 6 (realistically about 10) so that I stay legal. I purchased two packages of OTH.

IN MY OPINION, NOT ONLY ARE YOU SOME OF THE MORE QUALIFIED CANNABIS BREEDERS I KNOW OF, YOU ARE EXTREMELY GENEROUS: BOTH PACKS CONTAINED MORE SEEDS THAN THE 10 ADVERTISED. THANKS.

The question is, if I grow out 8 of these seeds, what are the chances that a purple phenotype will emerge?

If a purple phenotype emerges, at what point does it become evident that it is a purple (when does it "show its true colors")?

To maintain the genetics but try to develop an all purple population, how would one select for a purple male? Do the males develop purple leaf blades/petioles, or purple pollen sacks?

Is your purple haze selected from OTH stock in this fashion?

I also just purchased Vietnam Black x Thai and Purple Haze x Thai: I know these are not the subject of this thread, but are purple phenotypes more common in either of these, meaning I would be better off germinating 8 seeds of either as opposed to OTH? (Moot point really since I already have 4 OTH seedlings (100% germ)

I would really appreciate the information. Id go for a green haze over a colorful hybrid any day, but if you can have both, why not?? Saludos.

 

[recent guest]

My oth's - Three males, two green phenos, one purple male, one purple female and the last still not showing sex.
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Ok for instance in this shot, how can you tell youve got a purple female at this stage? Beautiful plants, too, Tlapapa!

 

[Terpene]

Based on my pure purple haze, green haze thais, purple haze thais, other hazes, etc. - I would say you can expect fall colors in late fall (16-19 weeks into flowering) or when cold temperatures hit your area. My advice is to grow them BIG and select only females, it should help to keep the count down. The cooler your temps, the more purple you're going to see as coloration is the plant pushing phosphorus into its exposed areas in an attempt to toughen up to acclimate to the temps its experiencing. Some plants do this regardless of temps, especially the more purple lines.

The males I would chuck into flower as soon as they show sex so you can collect the pollen and kill them. Colorful males will tend to push that color into their kids. Store the pollen in an airtight container in the fridge for maximum life and paint it on with a paintbrush where you want beans. After killing the males, you can plant more females for a smaller additional harvest.

 

[Gerardbutler79]

Thanks for share it Sideshow-Bob and for your kind words

Im still amazed about the number of views in the oldtimer's haze thread. Plenty of good info about this very special and extremely tropical haze line.

The Green Haze 19 x Panama and Purple Haze 23 x Panama were very successful hybrids, only released around 2008-2009 but we still receive
very good feedback about them. Will try to reproduce them again in the future.

Hey dubi I see these available at another popular vendor online. Was the Purple Haze 23 mother used for them?

 

[recent guest]

The males I would chuck into flower as soon as they show sex so you can collect the pollen and kill them. Colorful males will tend to push that color into their kids.

Helpful post thanks Terpene. I threw my male Chocolope into flower as soon as it showed sex, but this was fairly quickly, within a month, so the plant was still very small.

When you say 'colorful males', how exactly do they demonstrate that color to you? For example, you say that color will come after many weeks of flowering, and my experience with Canned Abyss' Spyder corroborates this, but pollen can be collected from a male fairly soon after 12/12 is begun.

I just wonder, besides vigor and growth strength, how is it possible to select for desirable traits, and in this case specifically color, in a male cannabis plant?

(if this question is better directed to another thread/forum, then I'll put it elsewhere, but Im hoping it can stay here because Im specifically asking about how to select for a purple male from Oldtimer's Haze)

 

[Terpene]

Past vigor - frost, color and smell of your fingers after rubbing the stem. Not all males will frost and some lines won't color up, but I generally look for pink / red flowers when I select males of colorful lines.

Rubbing the stem goes for any cannabis plant though, its a great way to get an idea of what the plant will smell like / taste like early in the game.

 

[recent guest]

Past vigor - frost, color and smell of your fingers after rubbing the stem. Not all males will frost and some lines won't color up, but I generally look for pink / red flowers when I select males of colorful lines.

Rubbing the stem goes for any cannabis plant though, its a great way to get an idea of what the plant will smell like / taste like early in the game.

Thanks. Yeah I read Jorge Cervantes book and thats basically what he said, so thats what ive done, but never selected for color. Do you happen to have any pics of males or know of any pics of males showing color that you could link to/pm a link?

 

[Tlapapa]

Ok for instance in this shot, how can you tell youve got a purple female at this stage? Beautiful plants, too, Tlapapa!

sory for the picture mate, it has poor detail. I'm almost sure the female is going to be purple in some degree, because it started showing those color in early vege period, when the temperature was still high. The others have very green stems, no trace of purple color what so ever.
best

 

[Terpene]

Actually, yes. Here is a Dj Short Flo male which was purple in veg and had a real nice earthy smell to it, so I kept it to pollinate a GHS Marley's Collie (Jamaican x Maple Leaf Indica) I had lying around.

Veg:

Flower:

Interestingly, this particular Flo male was basically sterile. From what I hear, this is pretty standard of DJ Short's lines. I cut it, and beat it against my Marley's like a feather duster until it had no flowers left. I got 1 whole bean from the project - which when we grew it out was a male. I named the male "Retarded Monkey Fish Frog" (watch southpark sometime) and then used that male to cross to everything based on how robust it was.

The resulting crosses have all been colorful, earthy / marley's collie smelling, vigorous and pretty indestructible.

 

[recent guest]

Actually, yes. Here is a Dj Short Flo male which was purple in veg and had a real nice earthy smell to it, so I kept it to pollinate a GHS Marley's Collie (Jamaican x Maple Leaf Indica) I had lying around.

Veg:
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Flower:
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Interestingly, this particular Flo male was basically sterile. From what I hear, this is pretty standard of DJ Short's lines. I cut it, and beat it against my Marley's like a feather duster until it had no flowers left. I got 1 whole bean from the project - which when we grew it out was a male. I named the male "Retarded Monkey Fish Frog" (watch southpark sometime) and then used that male to cross to everything based on how robust it was.

The resulting crosses have all be colorful, earthy / marley's collie smelling, vigorous and pretty indestructible.

Awesome and very helpful. Thats a gorgeous male!