old school breeders serving up total crap!!

[siftedunity]

This is a very long answer to your question. North American skunk, which is where skunk originated, is the traditional skunk you want. When the strain was brought over to the Dutch, they bred it into some sweet-type of thing. Dutch skunk and North American skunk are two TOTALLY different things. If you want the traditional skunk-smelling skunk, go with a Canadian breeder. It hasn't been too diluted...yes there's shit like "island sweet skunk," but some companies still have the traditional ass-smelling skunk that we all know and love. Skunk in Amsterdam, from say Sensi, is totally different from a traditional skunk from someone like BCSC.
Do some research my man! You'll find what you're looking for.
Also, to make matters even worse, people in Europe call EVERY strain that isn't garbage "skunk" now. Like we call it nugz...they'll be like "hey any skunk?"
Europe has a tendency to weird things up.

i always thought it originated from afghan stock

 

[floralheart]

Most seed breeders really are hacks, no offense. I said most. People eventually get arrested and that usually kills the parent stock. Most seed breeders that I know have been arrested. Now the other thing is hype. Many creative writers, photographers, website owners conspire to hype up seeds to make a killing. In my opinion the best way to grow weed is from a known clone. It is not that hard to find fire and once you do you just need to strike a deal. It will save you a ton of wasted time trying to find a keeper in who knows how many packs of seeds. If you would spend xx on seeds to find a mother why not spend that amount or more for a clone that is already proven?

because it's boring.

and defeats the purpose of the hobby. imo

 

[floralheart]

Subcool still kicks ass.

I agree with the overall vibe of the OP.

 

[sallyforthDeleted member 75382]

Yeah I agree with op. Ace and cannabiogen and s******s are really still on the mark, but I look around today and there is soooo many knew breeders, I gets confused.

Too much hype on the og's etc.

Oh serious are still good. The main breeder Simon is always tweaking his strains to keep them from going "bland".

Also Landrace's are a good way to go.

 

[moondawg]

hello
have you done any of kc brains indoor? i have been trying to decide....

mr. brunch, ive grown KC36 indoors and the haze special. The 36 was a nice strain - a big yeilder. Sweet, piney smell and a good solid 8 of social, happy smoke. The haze is fucking killer but takes a good 90 days to finish completely. not such a big yield but its worth the wait..

I have a buddy that grew 33 indoors and it turned out well. He flowered them at 8" and they finished up in about 70 days at 3' but topping kept him busy.

His outdoor strains are unreal with vigor. Just unreal. Litterally like nothing youve ever seen before. An expereinced grower could probably grow them indoors but have the knife ready or youll be wrestling them around the grow room.

 

[Buddle]

I remember the stinky skunk.The more growing became an indoor thing the more the stink was bred out as a precaution..Very sad.
I agree that breeders that sell untested seeds shouldn't even call themselves breeders ....and then charge 80.00 or whatever for them..thats pure greed man...and imo its ruining the industry.There are so many BS crosses out there its hard to know what we are getting these days. A genuine cut or an S1 or a ???? Makes me value the stuff I acquired in the 2000's that much more...

 

[Gifstah]

Yeah I agree with op. Ace and cannabiogen and s******s are really still on the mark, but I look around today and there is soooo many knew breeders, I gets confused.

Too much hype on the og's etc.

Oh serious are still good. The main breeder Simon is always tweaking his strains to keep them from going "bland".

Also Landrace's are a good way to go.

I have to disagree. My last run (2nd grow) was with 6 white russians, 6 completely different phenos, all had a boring taste and weak potency. I have had amazingly good white russian so this was very disappointing.
The 1 Critical + Pheno I had blew them all away all day.

 

[izzywozzywizzy]

Hi, i wonder how many breeders invest our money back into research instead of buying holiday resorts ,speed boats and fast cars thats the big commercial ones ,the small independant ones probaly scrape a living.i see subcool is building new breeding facilaties in the hills no holiday resorts Set ,10 ppound a seed no wonder theres dodgy sales and matketing ploys going on 20 years ago you couldnt give seed away .

 

[The Revolution]

As years go by these older breeders tend to lose their original donor plants. Sometimes the male, sometimes the Female, and sometimes both plants are lost all together, and parents are selected from another generation. So there new varieties could be way off or much different than what they served up the year before. Also as breeders grow in popularity, they start to outsource their work, and others are making their seeds. They may not even be using the same plants, but their own version of the old legends. This is pure greed I believe, and no matter how large a Co. has gottten, they should still produce quality product for all to enjoy. I tend to stick to the breeders that are a bit more under ground. You may have to search a little but, theres all kinds of treasures out there, that arent necessarily available commercially. Its truly a shame that so many are doing this, when there are others distributing much better seed, and putting a lot more pride into their work.

At the end of the day, its the buyers who control the market and industry. Dont support shady, or hack breeders. Do your homework.

 

[izzywozzywizzy]

And dont forget peeps some of these guys are knowingly scamming the sick,shame on These parasites.

 

[woolybear]

My friends have very good weed growing. I have spent a lot of time finding reliable people that always have the best best best. And I do not have to always get the same stuff, as there are more than one person and they are diametrically opposed in effect (the weed is). I live in an area that produces a lot of weed and finding the right people took time. I would and could grow clones from both of those and include more. I think growing one strain is not a good idea. Sometimes you feel like a nut and sometimes you don't

I recently found out my area has a lot of people growing weed, apparently. Is there a thread about making weed friends

Or do you partake of pro-stoner activities, like hacky sack?

Like you wrote spent the time. But how about the place? /smoking reefer

 

[sanvanalona]

First I agree that most seed breeders are shit. IME after meeting some of the big names I would only get seeds from maybe 2 dutch companies and a couple english and spanish ones too. That said I do not believe that clones lose their phenotypic expressions with age, I have had the same diesel plant for so long and it has not changed regardless of where I grow it.....only changes with how it is grown. Has anyone had first hand experience with a clone changing over time? How long did it take? If so that would make sense as to why the skunk is gone, I have been on a search for some roadkill for a very long time.....so far the chem/og/sour fam is the closest that I have found.

 

[gingerale]

^ Consensus seems to indicate they can develop random or spontaneous mutations, sometimes beneficial, sometimes deleterious. I haven't personally seen it happen, but it seems plausible and others have witnessed it.

 

[purpleberry]

If you can find the runt pheno i had in greenhouses GWS fems ,you wil have the holly grail of skunk. It stunk so bad i couldnt grow it. I threw a sack double bagged in my trunk for a hour and a week later i could still open the trunk and people would think theres a sack in there. Really short indica with FAT buds, and super frosty. One of my top 3 easy. Lost it because i had someone holding it since there was no way i could grow it. Ive been tempted to buy 100 seeds and look for it again, But the other 8-9 plants i grew sucked , so i dont really want to look for it. It could have been a 1 in a thousand pheno.

 

[Norkali]

Yes, Dutch and Euro breeders are losing the 'touch' that used to be there....but as mentioned, we have stateside boys doing big things with genetics....GSC anybody?

It does worry me though....the best way that I can think to describe it is that we are losing our 'primary color' lines (Skunk, Haze, Afghani-Indicas, Jamaican/equatorial sativas) that used to be held stable by said Dutch/Euro breeders in our fascination with all of these new fancy poly-hybrid interbred 'flavor strains'

Example - Seedbank selection from the 70's-late 80's/early 90's:

Simple - basics; can create anything you need using what's in the box.... LOL - perfect, "Preferred by Teachers!" lmao - how appropriate....I wonder if the big names would agree.... ?

Compared to our seed selection today, it seems like this is what we're moving towards...."Mom hit with colliodial silver, resulting pollen used to pollinate this select S1 cookie-dubble-bubble-sour-fire which was an exceptional plant from our F3 generation..."

Completely unstable, fun for a while, NOVELTY, weird unexpected results, a longing for our good old standards....?

 

[Useful Idiot]

Yes, Dutch and Euro breeders are losing the 'touch' that used to be there....but as mentioned, we have stateside boys doing big things with genetics....GSC anybody?

It does worry me though....the best way that I can think to describe it is that we are losing our 'primary color' lines (Skunk, Haze, Afghani-Indicas, Jamaican/equatorial sativas) that used to be held stable by said Dutch/Euro breeders in our fascination with all of these new fancy poly-hybrid interbred 'flavor strains'

Example - Seedbank selection from the 70's-late 80's/early 90's:

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Simple - basics; can create anything you need using what's in the box.... LOL - perfect, "Preferred by Teachers!" lmao - how appropriate....I wonder if the big names would agree.... ?

Compared to our seed selection today, it seems like this is what we're moving towards...."Mom hit with colliodial silver, resulting pollen used to pollinate this select S1 cookie-dubble-bubble-sour-fire which was an exceptional plant from our F3 generation..."

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Completely unstable, fun for a while, NOVELTY, weird unexpected results, a longing for our good old standards....?

Now that my friend,REALLY cracked me up!!

 

[ChemFrog]

Ive also noticed new breeders using Hermi prone plants to breed with for eg Casey jones,chems

I find it a joke when the breeder gets angry and then blames the growers for heat stress or light leaks when infact it is down to there own shitty breeding practices and selling untested seeds, there are sum of these polyhybrid breeders on icmag and if you say anything bad about there seeds the fanboys will jump on you and make you look like the evil one.

Seems like everybody is jumping on the gravy train without a care for the customers.

 

[highsteppa]

whatever, we have the internet now, do your research, read reports, make an educated choice. True the untested elite crosses can be a little annoying, but then theres stuff like white fire...as far a sensi and tfd being junk these days well, everything is change amd there's plenty of warning on bunk out there/

 

[gingerale]

I find it a joke when the breeder gets angry and then blames the growers for heat stress or light leaks when infact it is down to there own shitty breeding practices and selling untested seeds, there are sum of these polyhybrid breeders on icmag and if you say anything bad about there seeds the fanboys will jump on you and make you look like the evil one.

I know right...I'm logging a strain now by one of the forum's breeders, and every time I report back with some real life concerns I've had or trouble I've bumped into, it's made to seem like I'm the one at fault. There are probably better growers than me out there but I'm far from incompetent. If 80% of phenos from your strain get bad stem rot and die in my Rapid Rooter when no other strains are doing this, and I'm using the rooters correctly....it's not my fault this is happening. I'm no breeder, but if I were I am sure that one of my top priorities would be mold/insect/disease resistance along with growth rate and clonability. Extreme frost and all that is great, excellent to have, but give me health and vigor any day.

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

I ordered some Feminized Jack Flash #5 from sensi, only 2 single seeds and got a kandy kush freebie feminized. anyone grown this stock lately that can attest to it being junk. Did I waste my money on Sensi seeds? Was this a remake with out the parents or? A lil worried now about their seeds from all I read about Ben loosing his parents a while back.