Okay let's talk abt Psychics.

[trichrider]

Milieu Control: One of eight criteria of Mind Control according to Robert Lifton's theory of Thought Reform. Milieu control is the systematic, strict regulation of human communication, relationships, and access to outside information and alternative viewpoints.

the watchers be busy to keep this occult.

 

[Genghis Kush]

"We replace the unknown with the known through the substitution of words and by the time a child is two or three they have completely created a cultural mosaic of words that is interposed between them and reality. Reality from that point on is only an unconfirmed rumor brought through the medium of language and every culture accentuates different parts of reality so that in a sense every culture is a different reality."

 

[floralheart]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The Mayans had access to other dimensions where knowledge can be attained.[/FONT]

I'm in another dimension
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[DrFever]

lol

 

[BruceBanner]

how i see it is a person has a 50 / 50 chance of predicting a out come for instance..
NHL's Stanley cup final game 7 there is a 50 / 50 chance of either team winning . No matter what one team will win ...
Same thing can apply for being physic you got a 50 50 chance either you are right or you are wrong ..

Yes if you put things that way, but if I tell you what happened to me, the numbers are going to change:

Just before I waked up (and I was aware of that timing) I had a dream before I stud up and went to high school: Classroom, Serbian language, professor opens up the book with names of scoolars, draws finger, and says Sremcevic Marina (name of my friend in class), dream ends. I went to school, in school backyard I tell that dream to Sremcevic Marina just before that Serbian language class, and we go in. The scene plays exactly like in dream, literary replay, Classroom, Serbian language, professor opens up the book with names of scoolars, draws finger, and says Sremcevic Marina. That was my first vision of future, and the only one in full picture and sound replaywise identical. After that I had not such full 3D visions, but voices instead told me what's going to happen...

 

[floralheart]

i believe the bildabergers are working with the pizzamakers

 

[Weird]

The Mayans had access to other dimensions where knowledge can be attained.

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its also possible that human language developed in order to express science(natural observations) and religious(spiritual) concepts.

McKenna has some interesting ideas on the subject:

Yeah because of what DMT taught him and I would bet it was an entheogen that did it for the Mayans at well.

Lack of a real breakthrough psychedelic experience keeps the paradigm of the mind in full effect.

 

[CannaBrix]

Language and semantics can prove any argument is right or wrong. Or any theory, or any thought. Language comes before complex thought.

It is one of the most fascinating subjects to think about.

A person can be so ingrained in science and facts until language is dissected, and the semantics of the conversation are pointed out.

Sam-
As much as the scientific method is absolutely one of the greatest things we have done in terms of objectiveness and moving forward, that conversation of science vs religion just cannot be had.

You are discussing in two different frameworks.

Look closely at the word fact, and you can see how a religious argument defines fact much differently than a scientific argument. Where for one the basis of truth lies in the scientific method and direct observation, the other has truth inside oneself and holds emotion and faith as basis.

From your viewpoint their truth is flawed, but direct observation has been proven in different ways to not always be 100% accurate to itself. Such as Genghis' example of the observed cat. Or even how you can be in this moment right now, regarding all you experience as truth, and yet it is possible you are dreaming.

And so, not one or the others basis of truth is correct or incorrect, but a different discussion coming from different basis.

 

[trichrider]

gravity is a fact not proven.

psychic abilities may just be probabilities deduced.
I don't know...

it's entertaining in the least and educating on the other hand.

there are some high intelligences that find it easier than others to comprehend quantum theory and mathematics, why is it so difficult to recognize some have abilities to see things others deny exist.

quantum physics describes constituents of atoms that no one has ever seen. this is an accepted theory, yet is more difficult to prove than precognition.

seers have been and still are utilized by the elite.

 

[CannaBrix]

So trich,

You are saying there is a difference between something known to exist and something demonstrated to be true by evidence or argument?

Ahh hmmmm so then there is a difference.

We can directly observe gravity [see everything around you right now], but we cannot show evidence or argue logically enough that we can demonstrate the certainty of the theory.

 

[waveguide]

watch these boys trying to scoop the ball out of the air and put it in a box

..if we were to audition their .. generous offerings..

..apparently, reason is subservient to semantics! (some people never learn to Be without using words in their minds.. all it takes is a walk in nature..)

..and look at that guy up there, telling you that maybe mayans learned awareness from entheogens.. awareness is the fucking domain of every fucking UNcivilised thing in the universe. it's only the dipshits who need a reference to know if they're allowed to think something. is god in pencils? ask a doctor, a priest and rabbi and go fuck yourself in the morning.


..and quit calling things "scientists". what the fuck is that? has anyone got a diploma or any shit that says they're a "scientist?" does it say "i'm a scientist" on anyone's drivers license? nope, always says what kind of science cocksucker they are, its you word bending bitches that want people to see a vague, generalised authority of "scientists"

you can tell these authoritarian tavistock cocksuckers because they use authoritative memetics.

won't someone help me identify these in-sect bastards?

 

[trichrider]

As a whole, science is divided into two parts: one is called “material research” and the other, “formative research.” This means that matter and form are perceived in every element of the entire reality before us.

For example, a table consists of matter, meaning the wood, and consists of form, the shape of a table. The matter, being the wood, is the carrier of the form: the table. Also, in the word “liar,” there is matter, which is a person, and there is a form: the lie. The matter, which is the person, carries the form of a lie, meaning the custom of telling lies. And so it is in everything.

Hence, science, too, which researches the elements of reality, is divided into two parts: material research and formative research. The part of science that studies the quality of the substances in reality, both materials without their form, and materials along with their forms, is called “material research.” This research is empirical, based on evidence and deductions derived from practical experimentation, and these practical experimentations are treated as a sound basis for valid deductions.

The other part of science studies only forms abstracted from materials, without any contact with the substances themselves. In other words, they shed the forms of true and false from the materials, which are the people who carry them, and engage only in research to know such values of superiority and inferiority in these forms of truth and falsehood as they are for themselves, bare, as though they were never clothed in any matter. This is called “formative research.”

This research is not based on practical experiments, for such abstract forms do not appear in practical experiments, as they do not exist in the actual reality. This is because such an abstract form is imaginary, meaning only the imagination can picture it, even though it does not exist in the actual reality.

Hence, any scientific research of this kind is necessarily based solely on a theoretical basis. This means that it is not taken from practical experimentation, but only from a research of theoretical negotiations.


http://www.kabbalah.info/eng/content/view/frame/2857?/eng/content/view/full/2857&main

 

[mufinman]

I'm confused now, so it doesn't 'matter'? I do not know.

 

[Weird]

most indigenous people used entheogens

in fact I challenge you to find one that did not (maybe Eskimos?)

marijuana is an entheogen

you use entheogens and I am willing it is the anchor to your self realization

irony isn't a strong enough word

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogen

 

[mrcreosote]

“Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.”

Are you sure about that?

Hehe.

 

[Madjag]

You have no idea who I think I am.

 

[Weird]

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278262604003288

In search of “master mindreaders”: Are psychics superior in reading the language of the eyes?

Abstract

Much of the effort to understand the brain substrate of theory of mind and empathy has involved the study of individuals with deficits in that domain, such as those on the autism spectrum. Studying individuals with presumed superior abilities in picking up social signals may yield important additional information. We predicted that psychic readers may have superior abilities and tested this by contrasting a group of 22 professional psychic readers with matched controls on a measure of theory of mind (“Reading the Mind in the Eyes” test) and a multidimensional measure of empathy [Interpersonal Reactivity Index (IRI)]. Although psychic readers were not superior in reading the language of the eyes, they were shown to have more cognitive empathy, as measured with the “Fantasy” subscale of the IRI. We discuss the merits of research involving “experts” in social cognition and propose other possible groups of “master mindreaders.”

 

[Weird]

I am sure most every one has heard of salesmen that can read a person and "bully" them into buy most anything they want them to buy.

"I can sell ice to an Eskimo"

Part of that capability is acute empathy, it is a capacity many "movers and shakers" the real "rainmakers" possess.

It is also grossly inappropriate to use it that way.

Depending on who you are and what you do sometimes benign skills can seem foreign or even alien to others.

 

[Weird]

You have no idea who I think I am.

It is the reality of it isn't it?

It is funny at any moment I can identify with a number of ethnics from Hispanic to Germanic as my own. I can also identify with both extreme poverty as well as a measure of success.

You can't tell that through the computer, you can't tell a the totality of a persons experience through a post on the internet. I take what I have learned from other walks of life, philosophies, religions, science, nature and use it as I see fit.

One of the most difficult things I pose when I challenge peoples logic is the programming life in and of it self posses on our though process.

I mention the ethnic part because it is an easy dynamic to use as an analogy. I could have the same discussion with religion or politics.

I find that most "pure" breeds are very proud of their genetic contributors and as they should be.

I feel that way too, but I have 4 different ethnic households (2nd generation immigrants) in which I felt as home in.

In the end it illustrates the potential for harmonic diversity where before there was segregation, not only genetically but as far as perception. Racially the newest generations are far less separated than those that come before.

It is one of the facets of my life that have lent to me having and incredibly open mind, something I find very important and very lacking in this world 15 years into the new millennium.

Everything was meant not just to change, but evolve, even the way we perceive the world and understand each other and the world around us.

The more information we receive the more information upon which to base an understanding of the world.

 

[Genghis Kush]

Human races don't exist.
It's an idea invented by European people to justify their oppression of others.

By speaking of "races", you further the idea that they exist and therefor become a "racist".

there is great genetic diversity among humans and some of us are separated by almost a hundred thousand years of evolution, that has led to massive ethnic diversity, but still there are no biological "races".