ok so what the **** is this

[Dr. G]

SOIL:
What STRAIN are you growing? sour bubble
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?) clone
What is the age of your plants? 1 mth vegg 4 weeks? flower
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? flower
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc) untrained
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot) 3.8 gal
What substrate/medium are you using? (percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) ffof/lw
What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each? How Often? *Knowing the brand is very helpful* pbp lk sweet calmg hydroplex all at normal levels
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? well i dont do this since it doesnt really show correct ph but all my water is phed to 6.3-.4
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen? pen calibrated every week
How often are you watering? day b4 wilt
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding? every other watering they get full food with no hp on the other they get sweet hydro plex and lk
What size bulb are you using? 2 600w
What is the distance to the canopy? 1.5 feet
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) 35-40
What is the canopy temperature? 77
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) 77-69
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) alot
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? theyoscilate
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? no
Is your water HARD or SOFT? ro
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?no
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?no
Are plant's infected with pest'sno



ok so all my other larger sour bubbles arent doing this this plant got one less watering since it was smaller and the others got bushmaster by accident and this did not it seams to have stoped progressing today its started like 4 days ago 2 days ago they got water and i ran 3 gals of ro water through her b4 she got water with some sweet and hydroplex


has anyone seen this b4?

here are the ones that showno signs of it but the bm did kinda make them weird

 

[MynameStitch]

Ok, first i need to know a few things before I comment on this....

Does those leaves feel bubbly? when you touch them?
or is it just spots that have no feel to them?

THat does not look like a nutrient issue but more of a fungus or diease type issue and I have never seen this before.......
One thing is can you take a few more pics of the plants without the hps light on?

That plant is not the right color of green.......

pbp lk sweet calmg hydroplex all at normal levels

Ok, we need to know the exact amount of all of them with how much water....
Also we need to know how often you water since you are feeding every other watering......

 

[Dr. G]

no bugs ive been wastching very closley and the hole come from the 4th day of being crispy ad yes there bubbly and they are a lighter green than they should be but just alitle sb for me is very dark bluegreen

should i cut these leaves off?

im goingto go take pics and quareneen the plant till lights on tomorow

 

[Dr. G]

flower day one nov 1. got 1.5 tsp per gal of grow big 40 ml per 5 gal of silicone blast 2 tbs per 5 gal of pbp bloom 30 ml per 5 gal lk 30 ml per 5 gal sweet and 30 ml per 5 gal cal mag

10th 30 ml lk per 5 gal 25 ml per 5 gal cal mg 30 ml sweet

15th 7tbs pbp per 5 gal 45 ml lk per 5 gal 25 ml cal mg per 5 gal 50 ml sweet


but on the 20th i ran 3 gals of ro water through the pot b4 giving it 3 pints of that mixture (3 widemouth ball jars full)

20th? +/- they got 3 ml hydroplex per 5 gal 40 ml lk 50 ml sweet 25 ml cal mg

these pics are taken 5 mins ag and these plants havebeen in dark since 3pm so they seem to bewilting alittle more than they normally are

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

at first i thought nute burn, but after thinking....
isnt that 'rust spot' fungis?

alternately, depending on ppm's it might be a calcium def... ive seen similer leafs b4...u did say u were in RO maybe this is a calcium heavy plant.although cal-mag has 3 elements, maybe its a boron or MN def...sensi-cal has more trace elements.

are the affected leafs brittle? and does some of that brown/rust stuff rub off?

if theres a powder rubbing it might be rustspot...

 

[Dr. G]

i am using sensi cal sry forgot and tghe larger plants do not show this

 

[scrappy]

I don't know what it is, but that's a Bog strain..I have Bog plant that does that same thing...every clone..only plant in the garden that does it.....the plant came from a Bog Medley pack '04....hhmmm????....not sure if that means anything, or just coincidence.......

 

[Dr. G]

this is an older clone that i got from someone

 

[Thaniel]

It could also be a fungus. I had a septoria issue that looked like this a few years ago. Anyone else agree?

 

[scrappy]

do you know if this happened in the past?...maybe ask your friend if they experienced this before..

 

[shrike]

I'll second the rust spot fungus.

The underside of the leaves look like they have a kind of water mark on leaves that appear unaffected but as time passes and the spot burns through to the surface you start to notice it.

A good fungus spray on the undersides and surface of the leaves will help, try a safers product.

You should increase the air circulation and decrease the humidy to discourage this.

When I grew indoors it because a ritual for me to spray the plants a couple of time during veg, and then lay off the sprays for the flower phase.

P.S. Your plants look slightly over fertilized as well! But not the cause of the spots, look at the leaf curl.

 

[Dr. G]

my rh is deff down and i have 3 fans moving alot of air in there and 2 exausts

should i cut the leaves off and see if it progresses?


and how bout organicide?

 

[MynameStitch]

Did you have this plant outside at all, or trim the plant with pruning sheers or something else that was used outside?

This is defiantly NOT septoria, septoria is black spotting.. this is bubbling issue, which has to be a fungus issue going...... I thought at first too like BN said, I thought it was a pest issue.....

But the point is how did the problem get there in the first place?
Need more information first.....

lower day one nov 1. got 1.5 tsp per gal of grow big 40 ml per 5 gal of silicone blast 2 tbs per 5 gal of pbp bloom 30 ml per 5 gal lk 30 ml per 5 gal sweet and 30 ml per 5 gal cal mag

10th 30 ml lk per 5 gal 25 ml per 5 gal cal mg 30 ml sweet

15th 7tbs pbp per 5 gal 45 ml lk per 5 gal 25 ml cal mg per 5 gal 50 ml sweet

Why in gods name are you feeding them all that!?
THats absolutly insane dude.......

I mean that is a killer seriously that is way to high I bet your ppms are in 2,000 or more with all that in there.....

 

[10k]

N toxicity causing lockouts folks

 

[MynameStitch]

10K do you think that bubbling is a calcium lockout that was never fixed and it progressed into what you see now?

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

i stand beside rust spot
some non mj rust spot pics









is the plant otherwise ok???

the pics seemed to indicate "yes"....
if you think its not rust fungus (might not be!) then your other option would be to leave the plant alone. seams like u got a good nute regimine going..thoes fans will turn yellow and fall of later anyways.

 

[MynameStitch]

Dude his feeding is out of line, I mean it's like bottles of the stuff lol.

I am just waiting for the thread poster to answer my questions before I go anywhere else with anything.

 

[10k]

10K do you think that bubbling is a calcium lockout that was never fixed and it progressed into what you see now?

N tox and k tox can lock out calcium for sure
I see leaf edges rolling in and some clawing in those pictures, and look at how damn green they are too.

 

[Dr. G]

Did you have this plant outside at all, or trim the plant with pruning sheers or something else that was used outside?

This is defiantly NOT septoria, septoria is black spotting.. this is bubbling issue, which has to be a fungus issue going...... I thought at first too like BN said, I thought it was a pest issue.....

But the point is how did the problem get there in the first place?
Need more information first.....




Why in gods name are you feeding them all that!?
THats absolutly insane dude.......



I mean that is a killer seriously that is way to high I bet your ppms are in 2,000 or more with all that in there.....

my ppms are only 1200 on feed days 400 on not ive grown 4 crops perfect with this scedual

no outside stuff ever all my house plants are totally fine allmy other 23 ful flowering mj plants are fine all my veggers are fine

my even smaller jilly beans are fine they had 0 vegg time and there arent burt at all fromt he same mixture

should i cut off leaves?

and my sb has taken more than twice that amount of food cuz the pbp bottle says 2 tbs per gal


and yes i deff had a n overdose im going to cut itouta the equation next time and use none after vegg i always seem to think they need n the 1st week and the sbs i thinkare n sensitive but they are a very dark blue green color anyway

and the buds are developing fine justnot too much sugar which they should be covered

and whatshould my feeding be more like i think im just goingto do pbp f with lk and cal mg and the next one be sweet cal mg hydroplex insteadof useing lk and sweet everytime oh i also use hygrozyme sometimes

 

[MynameStitch]

Dude, 1400 on plants that size is too much imo. Not to mention you are using an over abundance of cal mag, you should not use like more than 1 to 2 tsp per gallon of water dude.... you are completely slamming your plants with nutrients they should not be getting over 800 ppms, you are in soil, this is a huge difference than hydroponics, the soil holds in nutrients where hydro you are the sole provider of nutrients to the plant.

PPMS need to be higher in hydro than soil imo.
I would flush the hell outta that plant and stop feeding it so damn much, cut it down ALOT.
THose plants are not that big either, which is another reason why they do not need that much.....

THey should be covered? Well stop slamming them with so much nutrients and let them grow with the amount they need... you would not feel well if you were overfed all the time would you?

You should be feeding that plant every 7 days, not 5 days.
I do not even know where to begin to tell you what dosages to use...... Cause you use so much, I would use 1/2 teaspoon per gallon of grow big right now and like 1 tsp of the bloom and if you want to use additives I would use them every other week, I honestly think those additives do not work like they say it does..... when yo uuse multiple additives like that..... your ppms get up there high, cause additives use nearly the same stuff as in grow and bloom nutrients but they also add a few other things so you end up adding more than what you think you are and doubling up on nutrients like nitrogen bloom and such.