ojd's adventure in amsterdam and harlem

[bubbafisher]

they were old coffeshop sjust new locales///


both nice places


bout ten minutes form city center

they were there in march

 

[mr.haze420]

the shop over the chinese restaurant is the sensimilla in slotermeer, it was allowed to move, old location was torn down. as far as the coffeeshop future is concerned, still waiting to find out what happened at the location near central station.

 

[vinevamp]

ojd - great read. Thanks for sharing. Hope you're working on hash for 420. Love ya!

 

[mitsu1]

The "Ball and chain" gave me permission to go in Nov..I'm still undecided..If I go I'll see you guys at SB or bump into ya at a coffeshop....
Mr.haze420...The man with the real haze and lives in Adam..You sound like someone I met my last trip..Are you a transplant from the states? Say the NY area!!..If not it was a guess..
ojd...Thanks for sharing!! Looks like Media coffeeshop is going to get a visit from me. Thats if I can remember how to get down there..I was lost on that stoner bike ride we took down there in April..I know I was in the Katsu but how I got there is another story..mitsu

 

[mr.haze420]

will gladly point you in he direction of the media for some of their goodies. go yankee's

 

[mitsu1]

How's things in Adam? Never mind don't answer that...How else could it be It's good to see ya online..Hope to run into you again..mitsu

 

[ojd]

final update

well the best weed of amsterdam was to be found with the mr haze

also other recomendations

media very cheap,not thge biggest menu but excellent weed id sugest the hindu kush nycd and the hippy
katsu black widow, nlspecial plus and many more but didnt try,also the iceolator crystal clear 0.4 for 10 euro is a steal considering its beter than alot of iceolators that are 25 euro for 0.5
dampkring nycd, acupulco gold,alegria,mexican haze
tweed the water works they sell a 20 30 40 50euro,i tried the 40 euro and the 50 euro,they were the best hash i tried,not worth the do but if you got the money spare buy it you will love it,also the riffman hash best import hash i found, top 2 on the menu of rif very sticky and bubly and potency rocks
i was also shown some lovely amazing hashes by someone out there tried a few hits of some but didnt properly try them but they were excellent quality,far beter than what i was looking at in the coffeshops
hunters is worth a pop into they have quite a large menu and im sure youl find something,i just keep geting them to show me new jars until i find somethiung i like
also i must mention central coffeshop they have changed since ive lasty been in hear(a few years ago)they seem to be uping the ante
they had a few hazes and alegria,i was only passing through for a minute so didnt properly look at the menu,but i would suggest to check it out,i was told to try the peace maker
overall had a blast
and i cant wait untill nov
hope to see some of you out there

 

[British_Bulldog]

Thanks to everyone for the reports. I know there's some good stuff around the North Holland area, especially in Haarlem and some shops in the 'dam, but doesn't everyone who's been going to the 'dam for a number of years think that the prices have gone stupid there!

I've been going regularly for the last 10 years, and now very rarely buy anything in A'dam because of the silly prices, and hit-and-miss quality.

Of course the main reason is American customers, as they spend a lot on an airfare, then get held to ransom, and often have a lot of spending money...which the A'dam coffeeshop owners know too well.

I was told a few years ago (end 2003) that the price on a kilo of good bud in North Holland was about £1300/1900 Euro, and it can't have risen much past £1500/2150 Euro, if that, as the kilo price in the UK hasn't moved much in the last 5 years (now about £3300-3500), but if the coffeeshops are paying £1.50/2.15 Euro a gram and selling it for upto 14 Euro a gram for bud, with the minimum prices in A'dam being 7-8 Euro a gram now, then there's definately some serious profiteering/ripping off going on.

Around other areas of Holland, like in the south around Eindhoven (not Maastrict which is fairly expensive), the prices are still reasonable, at around 5-7 Euro a gram for good herb.

The one place in North Holland which is good for pricing is Nol's Willie Wortel chain with their 25% discount - i.e. buy 50 Euro and get 62.5 Euro worth. Although Willie Wortel prices (especially on the bud) have also risen to what I consider to be over inflated prices, due to the proximity of A'dam and the rise of canna-tourists coming to Haarlem, the 25% discount keeps some of them reasonable, but of course the foreign import hashes are the main reason for an educated smoker to Holland for a smoke out. As ojd mentioned, Nol's Nepalese Temple Ball is a great smoke, with a quality taste and high: the usual price is 11 Euro a gram, which is still good, but with the discount, 8.25 Euro a gram is excellent, and how it all should be in North Holland.

The only place I've ever smoked a good Nepalese in A'dam was at Dutch Flowers around 2002.

These 50 Euro a gram, etc, bubblehashes in A'dam now are ridiculously priced, and the foreign imports are much better value and tastier.

I appreciate knowing about the good deals to be had, but all these 'good deals' just seem like what the prices *should be* in my opinion, rather than being bloated in price and of dubious quality in many cases; as has been showed in some of the above reports.

On my next expedition to the Netherlands, I'm tempted to stay in the south, around Eindhoven, Breda, etc, but Nol's Temple Ball at 8.25 Euro a gram (with the discount) is just too tempting to pass on I think, lol


Peace out

 

[Farmer John]

I agree with the bubblehash thing, its just ridiculous...40-50€ a gram..lol....

 

[Guest]

On my next expedition to the Netherlands, I'm tempted to stay in the south, around Eindhoven, Breda, etc, but Nol's Temple Ball at 8.25 Euro a gram (with the discount) is just too tempting to pass on I think, lol


Peace out

purple rain coffeshop in breda is well nice

 

[mr.haze420]

considering that growing is still illegal and the gov crackdown on small growers continues, the prices for high quality herb have remained quite stable. in 1998 ssh was 20 guilders a gram, which today is 9.10 euros. ssh today in the shops is between 10-12 euros a gram. not a bad deal when you look at inflation and the price of everything else. the export biz is a different story, the cheaper the better with no concern for quality,and even those prices have gone up, there is no herb here for 2.15 euro a gram. cheap herb is now 2700-4000 per kilo. even the import hash prices are still a bargain. great hash was 30-40 guilders a gram, now 12-15 euros. 2.2 guilders to the euro, do the math. it is expensive if you come form the states due to the very weak dollar, but most people there are smoking the brick and are happy to get some kind bud. and yes there are greedy people in every biz who will take advantage of situations such as the one here in holland, the only place on the planet to buy and smoke the herb without police intervention. when you go to a coffeeshop here, look at the herb, if you do not like what you see, go to another shop, there are plenty.

 

[British_Bulldog]

Hi Mr. Haze,

The price in March 2004 in pretty much the most expensive coffeeshop in Holland, De Dampkring in Amsterdam, was 9 Euro a gram ( http://192.148.252.25/~reatta/Menus/dampkring-menu.jpg ), so in 1998 it couldn't have been more than 2004 (@9.10 Euro/20 Guilders).

More than likely the price for SSH in Greenhouse, De Dampkring, etc, was around 6 Euro in those days, around 13 Guilders a gram - I can't imagine above 15 Guilders, and the price at the end of 2006 went upto 10.50 Euro / 23.10 Guilders a gram ( http://192.148.252.25/~reatta/Menus/DampkringNov06.jpg ), and has stayed at that until this year.

Of course the cross over from the Guilder to the Euro has had a slight effect on prices overall, but the price of herb has been inflated way beyond inflation over the last 9 years.

I was in A'dam in 1998, and can't remember the exact price, but I remember it was around 25 Guilders for 3 grams of good herb, which is 3.79 Euro, say 4 Euro a gram to round up, which is around 2.8g for 25 Guilders.

I also can't even imagine any coffeeshop buyer or dealer paying upto 4000 Euro for a kilo of "cheap herb", that's crazy money for herb in Holland, and I'm sure a kilo of good herb is available for 2000-2500 Euro, more like 2000 Euro if you're a regular buyer.

Although the Dutch government do bust growers like in any other country, there is a mass commercial market in the Netherlands, and most of the herb in coffeeshops is from these large growers, accompanied by low prices, not from 'small timers' who are only growing a kilo per harvest maximum.

If the price for a kilo in north England around the year 2000 was £3000, and has now risen to £3300-3500, an increase of 10-17%, and a kilo of average-good herb was £1300/1900 Euro in late 2003, how can that 1900 Euro have gone to upto 4000 Euro, or even 2700 Euro, in less than 4 years?

Even if a kilo of average herb was sold to a coffeeshop buyer for 2700 Euro, you can bet he'd sell it for at least 3 times that, and I would say that the big coffeeshops are marking their prices up by 300-400%, i.e. 3-4 times what it costs them, and I call 'Rip off' on them for doing so.

I think a fair price for a gram of extremely good herb is 7-8 Euro, and an average gram of something staple like White Widow or NL 5-6 Euro, but these stupidly high prices of over 10 Euro a gram for bud, especially for bud which is often of poor quality, being overferted, not properly flushed or cured, and often skuffed/shaken to some extent, is a liberty to say the least.

Even though cannabis is still illegal (albeit decriminalised) in the Netherlands, despite that many people, often American/non-Europeans, think that's it's legal, the scale most commercial growers are growing on and the laws that are in place (i.e. not exactly harsh compared to the rest of the world), the price the growers are getting per kilo is relatively low, and it's the coffeeshops which are overpricing and ripping people off, particularly in Amsterdam which is on the whole a tourist trap.

Although it's true that good herb can be found if you search hard enough, it shouldn't be such a difficult job to find something that smokes well in A'dam, in fact all herb there should (based on the legal status) be well grown, flushed, dried, cured and manicured, but the reason it's not is because of laziness of growers, unprofessionalism of coffeeshop owners/buyers/dealers, and because too many people buy the poor examples available.

On my next trip to the Netherlands I will be avoiding A'dam as it's a rip-off nowadays, and just not worth it, and I urge other smokers to do the same and visit other places like Haarlem, Utrecht, and Eindhoven/Breda, etc, as the herb's usually better quality and a fair bit cheaper, plus they're real Dutch coffeeshops and not full of tourists, half of them clueless.

About the ice hashes, I remember thinking in 2004 that 20 Euro a gram was expensive, but the 40-50 Euro prices now are way OTT!


Peace

 

[Guest]

wholseale your looking at 3500-4000€ for mediocre powerplant ,quality hazes anything upto 6500€

 

[British_Bulldog]

Hi Hazyfontazy,

Those prices seem very high for Holland to me, could I ask what you're basing your prices on? Have you bought or sold at those prices?


Peace

 

[Guest]

my m8 reckons thats what you'd pay ,,powerplant is usually 8 € a gramm x a1000 gramm=8000 € ,so based on doubling there money ,thats what we expect the wholesale to be 4000€

 

[Farmer John]

I know a guy who sells a lot of hash and weed over there and usually quality weed is 5k€ and hash 5.5k€ a k or was in 2005 so yeah hazy something like that, he told some (capital S and change the e to first letter of alphabets lol) charge 5.5 and up for bud and 6+ for hash, go figure.

 

[British_Bulldog]

Well 5000 Euro is the price in the UK, and I really can't see the price being the same in Holland as it is in England.

It was a dealer in a well known coffeeshop who told me in late 2003 that they pay less than 2000 Euro for a key, and he was shocked and amazed that keys went for upto 5000 Euro in England, so how has that price doubled in the last 4 years?

Seriously, would you guys pay 4000-5000 Euro for kilos on a regular basis if you lived in Holland or were a foreign buyer from local countries? I know I certainly wouldn't.

 

[Farmer John]

The guy I know sells to coffeeshops and to festivals etc. or at least used to, dunno how much local people pay for their headstash...

 

[Guest]

well i said 4000 so theres a 1000 profit x 10 minimum if imported = 10000€ profit minimum,,so yeah if u was gonna sell 10 kilo and make 10000 € regular i think the sellers and buyers would be more than happy

 

[British_Bulldog]

Well Farmer John, I'm shocked and amazed the guy you know is able to command such a high price in Holland, or that the coffeeshop buyers are stupid enough to pay that; what compounds my surprise is that the Dutch are shrewd business men, and that's not good business practice; either that or the herb must be very high quality and worth the price, and/or a rare strain.