Official Summer 2010 Party Cup Challenge

[FullDuplex]

FullD's bubbling gets a big up from me too..AND..
the PH balancing.

Anything with DC in needs to be watched.

I recall this from the past, i wonder why DC has such a tendency to hermi

(I've got some theories on her..but I'll save it for the hybrid thread...live trials......)

See now you have me wondering, you know i have the attention span of a flea.

I also have some close ups of the girls showing how tric and pistil changes change the colour etc..

I'm thinking how to identify trait changes may be more relevent in the hyb thread..
but if you want them here..yell.

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Love to hear your thoughts on this. You can post it here if you like or if you want to save it to start the hybrid thread off with a bang thats cool too. Either way you know that you always have free reign in my threads.

P.S. your Bad Betty pistills actually say Red pheno to me...
but I cannot tell if it is simply "camera" colour on her....

don't want to get your hopes up White Knight..

see you always have a twist for me. From what i can tell they do resemble dargo's red one, but when i look at her from the bottom, sides, and through the looking glass all i see is white.......not that i am complaining but at this point im thinking about contacting S_a_H and see if i can officially change my name lol

One good thing out of this white run i have going is the fact that i should be able to get some nice oil out of this. The big budwider is really starting to crystal up on me

 

[uptosumpn]

Thanks for the usefull in FD...! let me ask you this..since brewing tea is mostly to multiply benificial fungi, bacteria, ect. ect,. AND to ADD lots of oxygen....I was wondering?.... I have some AN Voodoo Juice, Tarantula & Phirana as well as some BS Molasses.......Minus what you said to use already to brew......do you think any of these would be benificial to ADD to the mix/brew???? OR should I stay more organic?? Also thinking about buying some worm castings to add....My soil is Pro-Mix HP.....<no nutes in it.....I'm new to brewing and teas.......

You got it 1/2 of hydro GB and then 1/2 of Tiger bloom. I use this at the time i see sex, run it for about a week and then the following week i use 1/4 GB and 3/4 tiger. Then 1tb after that. I usually never have to go more that this but on this cloven girl i wanted to see how much she would eat and she take sit all like a champ. My air is run at all times so there are always bubble in the water i usually run the water for 24 hrs with no mix other than to ph balance, and then add the rest the next day. Then after about an hr i feed the mix to them and what is left stays bubbled till next water.

About my teas, keep an eye on my Tips and tricks thread for the info. I need to get over there and update. Ill have some good info after this grow. As well as pics and some other info on technique.

 

[uptosumpn]

BTW, look at what I just found...hope the mods dont mind me posting this.....found it here on ICMG in another thread......

http://simplici-tea.com/5gallonbrewer.htm

whatta you guys think??? makes it simple and easy IMHO...
click the "What is Compost Tea?" link when finished lookin @ product.

 

[FullDuplex]

Thanks for the usefull in FD...! let me ask you this..since brewing tea is mostly to multiply benificial fungi, bacteria, ect. ect,. AND to ADD lots of oxygen....I was wondering?.... I have some AN Voodoo Juice, Tarantula & Phirana as well as some BS Molasses.......Minus what you said to use already to brew......do you think any of these would be benificial to ADD to the mix/brew???? OR should I stay more organic?? Also thinking about buying some worm castings to add....My soil is Pro-Mix HP.....<no nutes in it.....I'm new to brewing and teas.......

Hey man any time. About the AN products. You have to think about it in terms of synthetic and organic/natural. From what i have read AN uses lab created microbes and and other lab created ingredients in there product line. To me this screams synthetic, so with that thought in mind ill share a little something with you.

When i first started using/brewing tea's i learned a ton, and unfortunately killed a few test plants in the process form high levels of nutes, i could see the burn everywhere. No MJ just some pepper plants, roses, and tomatoes. Things that like the same range of pH as our friends do. As i was learning i figured out what was wrong with the mix or at least the major malfunction. It was the FF nutes i was adding to the organic mix i was using. After i made a batch that was with out the FF stuff i began my testing. After a week solid of testing i was showing vigorous and aggressive results.

So in theory i would hold off on adding the AN stuff, and use them alone as they are.

Just as a teaser worm castings and happy cow (compost) are the best two bases for the tea. and there is one thing i use in my tea that most would never think of, and i think that it has made it that much better for me. Ill share this detail in the other thread when i post the ingredients.

 

[FullDuplex]

Guys i wanted to stop in and just say thanks. Its not too often you can be around so many different personalities and get along. The reason i came to this site was to find a place where i could share what ive learned, as well as learn more about what i like to do. I have been a member on other sites where the mentality is "i'm better than you, and my way is the best way." That state of mind gets you no where fast. And i left due to that fact.

In the short time i have been here i really have learned a ton from the auto world as well as made a few friends. You can post your theories, thoughts, tips, and other key points here and not have to worry about someone taking your advice to the heart and lashing back as if you were after them. The community here pretty much sees eye to eye and if there is a problem it doesn't usually stick around long.

Its just good to be on the same page with people working towards one goal.

 

[uptosumpn]

And for those very same reasons^^^^^^^^ is why I too joined ICMag my friend! the BEST forum thus far!!!
*note; just noticed this is my 420th post!!!!!

 

[uptosumpn]

Great Info as usual FD! Oh, can you post a link to the other thread that your gonna post the ingredients in......
And I may be a lil bit confused....jus to clearify.....bubble the ff gb & tb @ first signs of sexing .....DONT USE SYNTHETIC NUTES WITH ORGANIC NUTES WHEN BREWING ANY TEAS! CORRECT? But I can feed the synthetic stuff,<as I normally do "SEPERAETLY" with tea mix?
Oh, did you see/read the link I sent you??

Hey man any time. About the AN products. You have to think about it in terms of synthetic and organic/natural. From what i have read AN uses lab created microbes and and other lab created ingredients in there product line. To me this screams synthetic, so with that thought in mind ill share a little something with you.

When i first started using/brewing tea's i learned a ton, and unfortunately killed a few test plants in the process form high levels of nutes, i could see the burn everywhere. No MJ just some pepper plants, roses, and tomatoes. Things that like the same range of pH as our friends do. As i was learning i figured out what was wrong with the mix or at least the major malfunction. It was the FF nutes i was adding to the organic mix i was using. After i made a batch that was with out the FF stuff i began my testing. After a week solid of testing i was showing vigorous and aggressive results.

So in theory i would hold off on adding the AN stuff, and use them alone as they are.

Just as a teaser worm castings and happy cow (compost) are the best two bases for the tea. and there is one thing i use in my tea that most would never think of, and i think that it has made it that much better for me. Ill share this detail in the other thread when i post the ingredients.

 

[mossy]

RED-head..P AK-47.
My hunch said the RED in JEM was Columbian Red..
AK-47 has Columbian heritage..
Looks like we have a Red connection.
Notice..no tric reflection from a Flash...
Self-coloured trics..
they Matt out.

Reflective/shiney trics on ALF#3

Pink and Peach...you can tell that one is a Girly...candy colours

 

[mossy]

and this one is the younger ALF#3..look at the shocking PINK..
that gives her a lot of her colour.

The ALF#2 mom was a Pink...

Be back to yap in a couple of hours..hopefully...

I've got chores...

Have a great weekend guys...

 

[FullDuplex]

the BEST forum thus far!!!!

couldn't agree more on this one

Great Info as usual FD! Oh, can you post a link to the other thread that your gonna post the ingredients in......

And its the last link in my sig, the one that says theories of one

And I may be a lil bit confused....jus to clearify.....bubble the ff gb & tb @ first signs of sexing

Always bubble I run the pumps 24/7 in the jugs with or with out nutes in the water.

DONT USE SYNTHETIC NUTES WITH ORGANIC NUTES WHEN BREWING ANY TEAS! CORRECT?

But I can feed the synthetic stuff,<as I normally do "SEPERAETLY" with tea mix?
Oh, did you see/read the link I sent you??

That is correct, i feed both my self. I tested only one plant this time on tea only and this is the way i will be going in the future. I may just be leaving my FF stuff for backup now.

I did see the link and thats a nice kit. I myself use a 3 gal bucket and mix 2 gals at a time, then strain it out and jug it. This kit offers ease of all this with little mess.

 

[uptosumpn]

OH, thanks! and gotcha...bubble all the damm time! lol!
and does that mean you like the kit???
Think i'm gonna get it....like you said; easy..!

And its the last link in my sig, the one that says theories of one
Always bubble I run the pumps 24/7 in the jugs with or with out nutes in the water.


I did see the link and thats a nice kit. I myself use a 3 gal bucket and mix 2 gals at a time, then strain it out and jug it. This kit offers ease of all this with little mess.

 

[FullDuplex]

Wow mossy the girls look amazing. I especially like the one with the candy colors. That has to be the wildest thing that i have seen other than your fairy lights. All three of my Alf#3 have started to take off so maybe one of them has something interesting in store for me. I know that i have said this time after time but i want some color to breed to.

I think that i have to agree with you that the reds lined up on that P-AK cross. Looks fantastic. But it does bring me to my next question. On the ones with the colored trics have you noticed a difference in potency between them and the regular ones? i know that you are looking to go as far as tric variation to select ones to breed with. Have you noticed a difference here with the colored tric?

 

[mossy]

I especially like the one with the candy colors

.
Tric change due to the introduction of a "White" into the line..
it produces the muted/candy colours.
She is as pink as a babys bum on the bottom of the calyx..
But..
the ALF#2 mom was an embarassing Pink..

All three of my Alf#3 have started to take off so maybe one of them has something interesting in store for me.

Well..I hope 1 is bloody purple...break your famine.
Did you see Bighill got the Black Knight title..
He has posted a White..with black bud and leaf tips..
AND the deepest Purple available in the JEM line in my thread...
Luck of the Draw eh!

On my first season I had all whites and everyone else had colours...
I lusted all summer over colours...
and look what happened...
now I lust after whites...

Be Careful what you wish for..it might just come true...

I know that i have said this time after time but i want some color to breed to.

I know you are longing to See colour..
But..
it doesn't matter in terms of breeding.
The colours in JEM etc are mobile..
so a white will still carry the colour gene.

On the ones with the colored trics have you noticed a difference in potency between them and the regular ones?

Not up to now....
It only turned up @ F3 in the Purple AK line..
But JEM carries it..
so I have worked with a bit and haven't noticed an appreciable difference.

I'll scope her as she matures an see it there is a tric structual
change
BUT..
I'm not expecting one.

Have you noticed a difference here with the colored tric?

It is not a coloured tric..it is a glass tric..
so it takes on and magnifies the clour below it..with no obstruction.

In ALF#3 the White tric mutes the Viewed colour..
because the tric has its own colour it Lessens your eyes view of the calyx cover colour.

in Purple AK a see through/glass tric magnifies the depth of the Viewed colour.

BUT...
you know I will do extensive/exhaustive tests on her..
just to aid your
research....

Work..work..work..sigh...

 

[FullDuplex]

Tric change due to the introduction of a "White" into the line..
it produces the muted/candy colours.
She is as pink as a babys bum on the bottom of the calyx..
But..
the ALF#2 mom was an embarassing Pink..

This is an interesting trait. The way that she goes through a change as she develops/puts on her trics. So im guessing that there is a mix on the trics here. Some that are clear and magnify the color and others that are there that do not, therefore changing the color adding the rainbow effect.

Well..I hope 1 is bloody purple...break your famine.
Did you see Bighill got the Black Knight title..

Lol me too, but if not im cool. There are still quite a few F1 beans over here that will allow some color down the road. Its just like you said its all about the luck of the draw. With the color gene being there i know that it will come out when its time.

I saw where you have him the title There has to be a black knight to every white one....

now I lust after whites...

Sorry i cut the post short. Be back in a bit to finish had to step out

 

[FullDuplex]

now I lust after whites...

Its funny how things work out huh

I know you are longing to See colour..

Indeed i am, but i know its all part of the puzzle. Deep inside her is the ability to change color, its just a matter of when and where. As the right genes line up it all starts coming together.

so I have worked with a bit and haven't noticed an appreciable difference.

Interesting. Something tells me that if the tric is that clear that it would be more pure. Maybe more THC? Just a theory.

I'll scope her as she matures an see it there is a tric structual
change

I knew i could count on you

I think that there may be a suprise there for you, something has to be going on to get that clear.

BUT...
you know I will do extensive/exhaustive tests on her..
just to aid your
research....

Work..work..work..sigh...

Cant wait to your report my friend, You always have great detail to share. Nice thing about it is that you always have a pic to back it up and show us all what you are seeing

 

[FullDuplex]

start of week 7

start of week 7

Cup runner

BB

Busy Pheno

Non cup BW

**EDIT the last one smell like mangos

 

[20/4]

Cup runner



Non cup BW

**EDIT the last one smell like mangos

What a winner! Cannot wait to hear a smoke report from her, one of the more frostier autos ive seen forsure! Great job FD and hats off to mossy!

 

[mossy]

WOW FullD...
them girls is looking Lovely as Pie.....

They are in Brilliant condition...

Better than mine which are starting to show the build up of salts on their leaves.
I think I will still be able to improve on that by getting a more precise
PH scale.

The first cup girl has the same balance as my Peach ALF.
Impressed with the size of her main-stem in the small pot.

Love the BB with the kushy type branching..
I'm surprised that she is not showing colour with that build.

The bushy is great too..if we could get everyone in small cups to re-produce like that..I would be happy.
She looks to be a good weight.

and the non-cup..needs a tiny set of red LED's on..and she could be your christmas decoration.

Make sure you get your fingers up behind the leaves..
you see she is cutting off any natural ventilation

Mangos is the smell that seems to be coming out on the Green/white JEM pheno..
so she might be a JEM dom..
BUT..
those pistills seem a bit carroty/gingers for her to be pure JEM.

Smoke test will be interesting.

Interesting. Something tells me that if the tric is that clear that it would be more pure. Maybe more THC?

I checked her...

Cant wait to your report my friend, You always have great detail to share. Nice thing about it is that you always have a pic to back it up and show us all what you are seeing

Bit of this...

Bit of that...

AND looking quite mature...

when are you taking your off...?

Just a theory.

Well..lack of info means we have to make our own theories

and My initial thoughts are....
it is going to come down to percentages of the differing trics.

I can Find THC trics on almost every girl..
and even on the outer petals of the boys...
But they are there in very differing Quantities.

I need more work done on it..
more girls through the scope.
My problem is I have actively chasing the high THC in my girls..
so I need some other crosses..to get a good cross section.

I have some on the boil..so I'll be cross checking.

20/4...cheers m8..much appreciated.

 

[FullDuplex]

WOW FullD...
them girls is looking Lovely as Pie.....

I cant wait to taste the treats

Better than mine which are starting to show the build up of salts on their leaves.
I think I will still be able to improve on that by getting a more precise
PH scale.

I definitely think the pH will help. This is one thing that i have not seen first hand. I'm not sure really what this may relate to as i have had some bad pH but never saw a build up. I know that a lot of bottled ferts can go "salty" after a while cause the FF stuff is baaad for it.

Its something i am going to have to try to create over here to see if its pH related or water related. I do have a theory, you do use rain water more often correct? And if i remember correctly from some of your photos you live near a large body of water. If so is that body of water salty? or Fresh water? If its salty.....My theory is that the natural rain fall there has a higher content for natural salts than say rain water here where i am land locked. Maybe this could be your source of the buildups Just an idea.

Impressed with the size of her main-stem in the small pot.

All i can say is Fans, fans, and more fans

Love the BB with the kushy type branching..
I'm surprised that she is not showing colour with that build.

Shes my little stunner, it does have a nice kush look to it and her tric cover is stunning on her buds.

and the non-cup..needs a tiny set of red LED's on..and she could be your christmas decoration.

got to go to the store today just might have to pick some up for a photo shoot.

Make sure you get your fingers up behind the leaves..
you see she is cutting off any natural ventilation

You bet, she has a fan on her most of the time to assist, and ill start moving the fan leaves to open her up a little.

Smoke test will be interesting.

Indeed and i am debating on sampling her as she is getting close....

I checked her...

And she looks fantastic!

when are you taking your off...?

Not sure what you mean but if you mean chop, the two smaller ones soon as they are finishing fast and have a nice milky cover with about 5% amber. Then the larger two will go about another week or so as i still have 85% clear on the both of them. There gonna be thick

and My initial thoughts are....
it is going to come down to percentages of the differing trics.

I agree we just have to figure out which ones carry what levels and then how to breed in that direction. I believe this is the secret key to AF domination. The ability to introduce higher concentrated levels of certain THC tric's rather than just heavy production. If we can meet both key elements, coverage and content, then well have a winner for sure.

It seems to me though you are on the right path.

This budwider shows it.

Cup girl for your tric shots.......

 

[FullDuplex]

Ahh well greetings my friends. i come to you today bring some exciting yet sad news. I checked the above plant this morning, my cup girl, and the non cup runner and they both are showing about 5-7% amber. This means chop time.

After seeing what i found this morning i placed the two in to a dark room for the remainder of the day. Once i get home and settled this evening it will be time to chop. Once i am done i will post pics of before and after chop to show the manicured buds. After this they will go into the bud dryer that i made yesterday as to dry in the box is not an option this time. I will still have two in there running for about a week or so. The BB and the BW will run side by side in the last few weeks to gather as much light as they can.

I have learned so much from this grow that i am bursting at the seems with info to share. Keep an eye on my tips and tricks thread as there will be mounds of info over there that i am going to post. As always feel free to join me there after this grow for the info.

Soon enough i will get this book together and then it will be in text form rather than a thread. For all to read and share.