octagon growketel project 800w

[Spanishwilly]

Hi Mr Jones,
Any more pics? I'm putting together a vertical project too. I have to use store bought shelves and such as I am a useless handyman. How did you make your decision regarding the dimensions of your octagon? I want to get it right as well.

 

[idontsmoke]

Hey Mr.Jones

Inspirational stuff and great grow.

One question for ya, what do you do for odor control?
If i got this correct, you vent your whole grow from the bottom of the hex, then through the cooltube and out?
Im building small vert cab with 150W HPS and i need some ideas, hope you dont mind me stealing them.

 

[omenman]

dam son..good job....what plugs did you use in your 2inch tubs..i was thinking of making a huge one with those 4 inch y pipes but this may just be as good with strait pipe as well

 

[VerdantGreen]

hi mr jones - one Q sent me over to check this out. you are clearly pretty handy at the old DIY

i wonder if scrog would serve you better in this setup. or each side of the octagon could be a vertical modular screen. seems the lack of being able to adjust the distance from bulb to plant is a problem. for sog you would really need a straib that hardly stretches at all.

you may like to check out my grow diary. mine is a conventional modular scrog so it won't all be useful to you - but i am achieving the yields you are striving for .

good luck

V.

 

[one Q]

What up VG!! Glad you came through. See here like OP said, if he had ran the ideal strain he could have pulled the proper numbers.

All chronic, or 7 sides of chronic and 1 side with the scrog w/ a mix of strains topped and trained would be the good for variety and efficiency.

Peace

 

[Mr.Jones]

How do you keep the hydroton in the tube when you tilt the tubes down? hmm
May I suggest:
-Capping them w/ a regular cap w/ a proper hole cut to fit the drip line.
Make the hole oval so that you can lift/spin the dripper then drop the wall.
-Add a chain to the wall so that you can drop it to a set height and just work on the girls
-add a curved piece of wire mesh at the top to scrog a dome like an " r[/SIZE] " that you can train to and not have to stuff back any longer.

Your grow was/is great and you know youll blow up once its fine tuned. With 250s the difference between old and new bulbs is HUGE.

Good luck hope to see an new thread with all ONE strain or just 1/2 and 1/2 and see how to get the most of that kettle.

Dope shit Sir Jones. Peace

Q uality

hey thanks man - yeah the capping is a must and the chains too (maybe even some small pillars attached to each wall so they have something to lean on - cause chains will hang around everywhere then) those would be the next steps!
the scrog is a nice idea but i hope using the right strains, more homogenous cuts and right veg. times i wont have issues with overgrowing anymore

the next round might be a chronic vs. superskunk either 1/2 1/2 or even one wall chronic and one superskunk (since superskunk handles low light very good)

Hi Mr Jones,
Any more pics? I'm putting together a vertical project too. I have to use store bought shelves and such as I am a useless handyman. How did you make your decision regarding the dimensions of your octagon? I want to get it right as well.

what kind of lights will you be using?
my formula was (lightstrenght (in w) divided by 10) x 2 + plant height x 2 = diametre in cm

for my system it was (250w/10) x2 +20cm plant height x2 = 50 + 40 = 90
and then you can take or give a few cm if you want and how it seems to be right

what pics do you need? hope i can deliver them

Hey Mr.Jones

Inspirational stuff and great grow.

One question for ya, what do you do for odor control?
If i got this correct, you vent your whole grow from the bottom of the hex, then through the cooltube and out?
Im building small vert cab with 150W HPS and i need some ideas, hope you dont mind me stealing them.

yeah i pull thru the cooltube and blow it out in my filtre

if you are intressted i think i have some pictures left which show it quite nice

if you need help/advice im goinf to try to help

dam son..good job....what plugs did you use in your 2inch tubs..i was thinking of making a huge one with those 4 inch y pipes but this may just be as good with strait pipe as well

you mean to put the plants in? i just used normal netpots ... and 3inch pipes or so

hi mr jones - one Q sent me over to check this out. you are clearly pretty handy at the old DIY

i wonder if scrog would serve you better in this setup. or each side of the octagon could be a vertical modular screen. seems the lack of being able to adjust the distance from bulb to plant is a problem. for sog you would really need a straib that hardly stretches at all.

you may like to check out my grow diary. mine is a conventional modular scrog so it won't all be useful to you - but i am achieving the yields you are striving for .

good luck

V.

scrog would help me alot but i hope i can do it without a scrog like i said - if i do it right i wont need a scrog - still i thought about it as well because doin it right is easier said then done
if i use chronic again im just gonna veg. it for 4 days (putting in the superskunks first, they need a week)

What up VG!! Glad you came through. See here like OP said, if he had ran the ideal strain he could have pulled the proper numbers.

All chronic, or 7 sides of chronic and 1 side with the scrog w/ a mix of strains topped and trained would be the good for variety and efficiency.

Peace

yeah i like this idea
variety is always an issue going sog - but with this plan it would work out nicely

another thing i will do if there is a second round in the nex time im gonna go aero when i analysed the root system i saw that the lower plants had the very strongest rootsystem and the big plants in the middle didnt and aero will fix that i hope

nice to have some ppl stick around

 

[Laylow0]

Wow what skill with the DIY. Will stay tuned for sure....

 

[Spanishwilly]

what kind of lights will you be using?
my formula was (lightstrenght (in w) divided by 10) x 2 + plant height x 2 = diametre in cm

for my system it was (250w/10) x2 +20cm plant height x2 = 50 + 40 = 90
and then you can take or give a few cm if you want and how it seems to be right

[/quote]
Hi MrJones.
I'm using a 1000w HPS, so it's (1000w/10)x2 + (2x 40cm height) or
100x2+80= 280cm?
Is that right? That's a lot wider than I thought possible. Would be cool though.

 

[Mr.Jones]

what kind of lights will you be using?
my formula was (lightstrenght (in w) divided by 10) x 2 + plant height x 2 = diametre in cm

for my system it was (250w/10) x2 +20cm plant height x2 = 50 + 40 = 90
and then you can take or give a few cm if you want and how it seems to be right

Hi MrJones.
I'm using a 1000w HPS, so it's (1000w/10)x2 + (2x 40cm height) or
100x2+80= 280cm?
Is that right? That's a lot wider than I thought possible. Would be cool though.[/QUOTE]

wow well for a 1000w thats a whole diffrent story i guess (i dont even have a clue of growing out 1000s) but 40 cm plant height is a lot! - you gonna go for a vertical sog or are you growing a few big ones? if you think of doing a few big plants i would consider to go scrog (8ft of catpiss style) but for a sog i would say 40cm plant height is far too much - (from y experience the plants arent going to grow straight towards the light but in a 50 degree angle up, which ends upin your case of having 60-80cm tall plants which is (in my opinion too big)
the formula i used i guess would work but 250w is a diffrent story than 1000 ... for a 1000 i would consider to go for a radius between 180-220 - should be plenty.
another question is if you use a cooltube or not, because if you do plants burning will not be a issue! with my 250 the plant could grow about 5cm near the tube and nothing would happen just the moment they touched the tube they started burning! i guess its possible to build it with a 1000 - using around the right diameter but its going to be a very hard to be handeled system.
i would rather go with 2x600 to build a system which is some taller but alot more slim you could go with a 150cm diameter and a height of approximatly 1,6-2m.

if you dont mind i would love to see what you are really planning (plant number, strain, height, feeding system ...) would be alot more easy to help!

 

[Spanishwilly]

Hi, sorry
here's the misunderstanding I think. I thought the height you were after was the finished height. I'm planning on them being 20 cm after veg and double that after finishing. I'm growing KO Kush.

 

[Spanishwilly]

Hi MrJones.
I'm using a 1000w HPS, so it's (1000w/10)x2 + (2x 40cm height) or
100x2+80= 280cm?
Is that right? That's a lot wider than I thought possible. Would be cool though.

i would rather go with 2x600 to build a system which is some taller but alot more slim you could go with a 150cm diameter and a height of approximatly 1,6-2m.

if you dont mind i would love to see what you are really planning (plant number, strain, height, feeding system ...) would be alot more easy to help![/quote]

Well, I still might use 600's but probably not.
It's KO Kush, which only roughly doubles in size after flip, I'm told. (Also challenging to get great yields from, I'm given to believe.)
As I'm not handy, I'll be using IKEA stainless shelves which are 92cm wide and are 92cm high. They can be stacked, which I'll do.
So, that makes six shelves plus the floor at the bottom for seven growing levels total, with more than two metres height of growing "surface."
It'll be two 1000w HPS suspended vertically with no cooltube and lots of extraction.
It's going to be hand-watered coco, pot size to be decided. Probably 10-12 litres. I'm keeping this as simple as possible, at least at first.
Really the question on my mind is whether to use four shelf units or use five to make a hexagon.
So. 7 shelves with 4 plants each is 28. Four walls makes 112 plants.
Five walls of course makes 140 plants, but it really pushes the walls back a lot from the lamps.
That's about it. My new wiring in the basement "rec room" is going in Monday.
Thanks, Cardinal

 

[Mr.Jones]

i would rather go with 2x600 to build a system which is some taller but alot more slim you could go with a 150cm diameter and a height of approximatly 1,6-2m.

if you dont mind i would love to see what you are really planning (plant number, strain, height, feeding system ...) would be alot more easy to help!

Well, I still might use 600's but probably not.
It's KO Kush, which only roughly doubles in size after flip, I'm told. (Also challenging to get great yields from, I'm given to believe.)
As I'm not handy, I'll be using IKEA stainless shelves which are 92cm wide and are 92cm high. They can be stacked, which I'll do.
So, that makes six shelves plus the floor at the bottom for seven growing levels total, with more than two metres height of growing "surface."
It'll be two 1000w HPS suspended vertically with no cooltube and lots of extraction.
It's going to be hand-watered coco, pot size to be decided. Probably 10-12 litres. I'm keeping this as simple as possible, at least at first.
Really the question on my mind is whether to use four shelf units or use five to make a hexagon.
So. 7 shelves with 4 plants each is 28. Four walls makes 112 plants.
Five walls of course makes 140 plants, but it really pushes the walls back a lot from the lamps.
That's about it. My new wiring in the basement "rec room" is going in Monday.
Thanks, Cardinal[/QUOTE]

for my part i would always choose the version which gets closer to a cyrcle over the one tending to be more like a square - its not hard to explain why the plants in the corner of a 4 sided vertical grow wont get as much light as the plants in the middle of a shelf - so the pentagon version should perform some better than the squared one (and 140 plants under 2000w of light is about the right amount!
you gonna write down a report of your project?

 

[Spanishwilly]

for my part i would always choose the version which gets closer to a cyrcle over the one tending to be more like a square - its not hard to explain why the plants in the corner of a 4 sided vertical grow wont get as much light as the plants in the middle of a shelf - so the pentagon version should perform some better than the squared one (and 140 plants under 2000w of light is about the right amount!
you gonna write down a report of your project?[/quote]

Thanks, I think I will do that. Yes, I'll do a journal, but right now it seems like all I'm doing is researching and looking and talk talk talking about it, here, and over at Vert.ical Green.
My electric service and water for the room are being hooked up on Monday, and I have the beans. My wife is picking up some OMAR shelf units from IKEA to stack into my column. Check them out online, they're shiny. A bunch of castors too, so half of it can be rolled back.
Anyways, this is your thread. I'll keep you posted, I promise. Thanks for the help, and be sure I will bend your ear again next time I need advice.

 

[FunkyFarmer]

Nice grow rapport Mr.Jones, thanks! Did you ever finish another run with it? It could be interesting to see how much you could improve the system. I think you could almost double your yield if tuned in. Ideas for improvement:

1. Trim lower fan leaves after a couple of weeks for air circulation and force resources to the main colas which are in the light.

2. Use a product like bushmaster to stop stretch very early on, which will increase the bud/lighted area.

3. Stick a small fan in the bottom centre, to get some serious air flow and fresh CO2 to all plants

4. Use just a single high yielding Chronic pheno.

5. Use some bloom boosters if you didn't already (e.g. pk13/14 & some triacontanol).

Stay green, FunkyFarmer

 

[~Shhh~]

@MR.Jones: Very nice work Mr.Jones! Excellent build... The design is one of the best I have seen. I have gleaned a few ideas for my own vertical system from your thread, many thanks for that.

I think you would definitely see great results once you prune the excess growth that will produce nothing but air bud and take away from the colas- from the bottom third of the plant starting 10 days into bloom until stretch stops. Also as you note, 1 single strain in their will produce better yields and be more manageable.

As you are using the 250w light penetration will become an issue fast as you noticed... So I think keeping the plants at a height where the 250 can get through the foliage to the lower part of plant is key in getting the numbers to work.

Looking forward to seeing another run with the mods.

@spanishwilly Nice find with those shelves spanishwilly! I could make use of those... I think you should buy 4 of the 92cm x 36cm x 92cm (H) and 4 of the 46cm x 92cm x 92cm(H) shelves. This would give you the octagon shape that is desired if the circle is unachievable. Regarding height I have seen a few systems that were designed to hold 2 x 600w that are just over 1m in height- the ecosystem looks like it has about 1.2m height for plant growth is and the pi rack which is designed to hold 4 x 600w is 2.2m tall. Considering the plants on the top shelf will grow to about 30 - 45cm. I'm not sure you will need 2 levels of the shelving.

Whatever you decide on, keep us posted!

 

[choch]

Amazing yield considering all the variables you have to dial in on a first run in a new system with multiple genetics.

Any chance of a smoke report on the chronic? Can't be too bad if you're planning on filling half the system with it next round.

 

[Mr.Jones]

Amazing yield considering all the variables you have to dial in on a first run in a new system with multiple genetics.

Any chance of a smoke report on the chronic? Can't be too bad if you're planning on filling half the system with it next round.

the chronic lets just say i had very low expectations at first. everybody is saying: its a commercial strain, nothing special about it.
and well it did yield awesome so we were sitting around and rolled up a joint and put some in it (like we tested the rest of the bunch) and (like i said) had low expectations - it wasnt tasting like something special - but the effects were amazing. its a pretty indica dominant stone but with some small sativa influence (at least i felt them). i wasnt able to stand up (or at least i wasnt in the mood to) but still i couldnt really chill out because everything was kind of exciting - slightly trippy!

so all over its a very good smoke accept of the taste - let it sit still for about 2 month and its developing!

@MR.Jones: Very nice work Mr.Jones! Excellent build... The design is one of the best I have seen. I have gleaned a few ideas for my own vertical system from your thread, many thanks for that.

I think you would definitely see great results once you prune the excess growth that will produce nothing but air bud and take away from the colas- from the bottom third of the plant starting 10 days into bloom until stretch stops. Also as you note, 1 single strain in their will produce better yields and be more manageable.

As you are using the 250w light penetration will become an issue fast as you noticed... So I think keeping the plants at a height where the 250 can get through the foliage to the lower part of plant is key in getting the numbers to work.

Looking forward to seeing another run with the mods.

yeah the key is when to flip - strains will be chronic only or maybe some super skunk

in the next time there wont be another round - i want to make a couple of flat ones before going vertical again (there is still alot to learn for me!)

Nice grow rapport Mr.Jones, thanks! Did you ever finish another run with it? It could be interesting to see how much you could improve the system. I think you could almost double your yield if tuned in. Ideas for improvement:

1. Trim lower fan leaves after a couple of weeks for air circulation and force resources to the main colas which are in the light.

2. Use a product like bushmaster to stop stretch very early on, which will increase the bud/lighted area.

3. Stick a small fan in the bottom centre, to get some serious air flow and fresh CO2 to all plants

4. Use just a single high yielding Chronic pheno.

5. Use some bloom boosters if you didn't already (e.g. pk13/14 & some triacontanol).

Stay green, FunkyFarmer

can you tell me more about "bushmaster" that sounds like something i should take a look at!
the chronic pheno i already got!

okay: can you belive that ... i took around 75 clones for my vertical setup and i think 73 did root - so now i took 28 clones for my flat setup and just 6!! of the rooted after 2 or 3 weeks! i cant imagine how i still can fuck up cloning!

 

[FunkyFarmer]

in the next time there wont be another round...

Orh come on, pretty please with sugar on top?!

can you tell me more about "bushmaster" that sounds like something i should take a look at!

Bushmaster is produced by Humbolt County and most probably contains the plant growth regulator called paclobutrazol (they don't say what's in it besides the usual kelp bullshit). What it does is to inhibit gibberelin, that is the cause of stretch. Buds will be tighter and it stops stretch dead in it's track, so you shouldn't use it until plants have the desired height.

However, there are also some minusses, so it is very important to use it carefully. Using too much will cause nutrient burns, claw leafs, potassium burn and stunted growth. It seems the safest way to use it, especially in hydro is foliar application at week ~1-2 while running nutes at lower concentrations than usual.

Another plus is that flowering begins within 2-3 days after using BM, and you can therefore cut off 1-2 weeks of 12/12 if you have vegged your cuts to desired high first with no loss of yield.

Some growers complain that it seems to lower crystal production a bit, but other haven't noticed any difference. If used wisely it shouldn't be a real problem.

Do a google search before using as there are some great threads to be found.

Rgds, --FunkyFarmer

 

[BloodyTreez]

wow, that was damn excellent idea. U have the experience, I know your next run will be a big step up. Keep up the good work Mr. Jones.

Regards,
BT

 

[supermanlives]

bushmaster sucks. it stops the stretch for sure but the quality of the finished product sucks.