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Greyskull
Thundurkel said:
I would not be surprised if the price went up to be honest with you. Taxes and such taking a bite out of the bottom line.
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Obama May Change Medical Marijuana Policy
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I would not be surprised if the price went up to be honest with you. Taxes and such taking a bite out of the bottom line.
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Funky Donkey
What gripes my ass is that liberals don't even talk about decriminalization. The only politicos I've heard wanting to implement a sensible approach to mj was Ron Paul (R) and a number of third party wannabe's.
Dems control Washington right now. Where the fuck are they? What are they saying? They're only there for the money and power, nothing else.
FD
Dems control Washington right now. Where the fuck are they? What are they saying? They're only there for the money and power, nothing else.
FD
That's exactly what I was saying that's how my friend who got me into the scene and my first trip to Mendo was. He believed in letting shit go for CHEAP and he always felt people would just buy more and it would even out at the least but it ended up working out to make him more cash...
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IE2KS_KUSH
If MMJ advocates believe they are going to get anywhere by having a small tent, then they are mistaken.
To move cannabis forward, we all need to be apart of it, the tent needs to be big, we need everyone we can get. MMJ users, are by far a small minority of cannabis users, MMJ use, can be advanced by means of piggybacking onto legitamate cannabis reform. IMO
That's really the bottom line of where this all comes down. I really believe the "MMJ Movement" is perhaps the greatest goof on all of us. It has for all intents and purposes derailed and stopped any cannabis reform from being on the table. And everyone is just "ALLLLLLLLLLLLL ABOARD!" Don't think twice about it. But when you do give it a second thought, it is kinda scary. To me anyway. But I am kinda a "douchebag rightwing wacko", so most of you it probably won't bother too much! LOL
All that said, I still grow some master kush for you anyway, even if you think I am crazy, because one day you will know the truth!
To move cannabis forward, we all need to be apart of it, the tent needs to be big, we need everyone we can get. MMJ users, are by far a small minority of cannabis users, MMJ use, can be advanced by means of piggybacking onto legitamate cannabis reform. IMO
That's really the bottom line of where this all comes down. I really believe the "MMJ Movement" is perhaps the greatest goof on all of us. It has for all intents and purposes derailed and stopped any cannabis reform from being on the table. And everyone is just "ALLLLLLLLLLLLL ABOARD!" Don't think twice about it. But when you do give it a second thought, it is kinda scary. To me anyway. But I am kinda a "douchebag rightwing wacko", so most of you it probably won't bother too much! LOL
All that said, I still grow some master kush for you anyway, even if you think I am crazy, because one day you will know the truth!
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"its not like people will lose money. once it becomes decrim//legalized MORE people will be using,,, and sense it will cost less money,, people will also be BUYING MORE. "
Ive wondered about that. I remember reading some studies while back about the places where cannabis had been decriminalized like Netherlands. The cannabis consumption went up slightly then went down and stayed at pre decrimnalized period rates. In fact, interest and use in cannabis went down among the younger age groups after cannabis became decrimalized and a normal part of society. I wish I could dig upp that reading, Ill look for it.
Ive wondered about that. I remember reading some studies while back about the places where cannabis had been decriminalized like Netherlands. The cannabis consumption went up slightly then went down and stayed at pre decrimnalized period rates. In fact, interest and use in cannabis went down among the younger age groups after cannabis became decrimalized and a normal part of society. I wish I could dig upp that reading, Ill look for it.
Here in the USA the number of drug and MJ users, as a percentage of the population, is about the same now as it was before drugs were illegal. There have been some statistical blips along the way but, for the most part, legality or illegality has little effect on the percentage of the population that uses drugs or MJ.
There's a group of former LEO's who now advocate legalization because of the total failure of the drug war - I can't remember the name of the org, but they have the actual statistical information if anyone is interested.
PC
Just to add to Pharmacan's post, here is the L.E.A.P. website - http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php
Capn
Member
As IE2KS has said, Obama does not have the power to change the laws.
If you think this is about money, you got another thing coming. This is about power and control.
They will keep weed illegal for as long as they keep draining the economy with it.
The majority of all narcotics are produced, brokered, and shipped by the bastards who are pulling every figure head of American't politics/world politics strings.
They've gotten so good at it most people are happy it works this way. Sad truth is, our (from what I read, any) monetary system is inherently flawed.
We haven't had a treasury since 1921. Changed to the IRS owned by the IMF.
Who is the people they are talking about in the constitution? According to this ruling, we are not "the people" mentioned. (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)
Welcome to the CorperatiUN. 50 years and going strong.
If you think this is about money, you got another thing coming. This is about power and control.
They will keep weed illegal for as long as they keep draining the economy with it.
The majority of all narcotics are produced, brokered, and shipped by the bastards who are pulling every figure head of American't politics/world politics strings.
They've gotten so good at it most people are happy it works this way. Sad truth is, our (from what I read, any) monetary system is inherently flawed.
We haven't had a treasury since 1921. Changed to the IRS owned by the IMF.
Who is the people they are talking about in the constitution? According to this ruling, we are not "the people" mentioned. (Barron v. Mayor & City Council of Baltimore. 32 U.S. 243)
Welcome to the CorperatiUN. 50 years and going strong.
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IE2KS_KUSH
THanks for the good laugh today!
THanks for the good laugh today!
Originally Posted by IE2KS_KUSH
or you are not informed enough to expand beyond the boring sound bite that you are just regurgitating.
Quote:
Originally Posted by IE2KS_KUSH
I think it's more crazy to believe that the party of more, bigger, government, more laws to protect you from you, is going to reign in ANY federal agency, and advocate less government involvement, it flies in the face of the Democratic party core belief system. But we will see, or as I believe, we won't..
Hey that's a fun poke, I guess? Care to expand on that? I am not sure I understand? Usually a fun euphemism such as that is meant to poke fun no offense taken, but really, what do you mean? You might as well have started off with, "I know you are but what am I" LOL.
I have no clue, what you are talking about. Could you please just show me where I "blamed all the fuck ups of the last 8 years, whatever whatever blah blah..." If I did just cut and paste it please.
AS for my own frustrations following the elections, again, please just quote the relevant post you are referring to.
On a side note, it is funny that you consider the last 8 years, "conservative rule". LMFAO, if you really think that it was a model of conservatism, then you might not fully understand what conservatism is.
This appears to be you reading my post, getting in a huff because maybe we disagree, and you assuming you know me and my personal beliefs about "everything" including things not mentioned in this thread. So far, everything that I have cited in your post, has absolutely nothing to do with the present conversation, and appears to be nothing more than a boring attempt to sidetrack discussion of anything that I actually posted, because it may make your head explode I guess! LOL
My "conservative policies", wow, what the fuck are you referring to again here? Please enlighten me, and show me exactly what you are talking about. LOL Guess I could have just lumped this line in with the previous one. Did it just piss you off that much that I said some not kind things about liberal ideaology? Is that what sparked this completely out of context post here? Again nothing you have posted here, relevant to anything with the discussion, just a very limp-wristed type of flame attack on me because while talking about the actual topic of this post I pointed out some very "DUH DUH DUH" type of observations about liberals with regard to the way they take advantage of ignorant sheeple that make up some of the fringe of their base, while being less than sincere about the issues that seem to drive those sheeple. WAAA! I don't know who you are, but sorry if it gets your panties in a wad! LOL It's just my opinion, you don't have to like it, don't expect anyone to, or care for that matter, I am just here to speak "nuthin' but the treal".
REALLY! That's a hell of a thing to hear at the end of your post here! LMFAO!! ARe you serious! Can you read? IdK how many posts I have on this topic in this thread, don't recall how many you have.
BUt I know this one, the one that every word and sentence is literally a shallow attempt to discredit someone simply because you may disagree with them and cannot think of anything relevant to say,
Literally has absolutely nothing to do with the thread topic, AND IN YOUR ENTIRE POST YOU IN FACT OFFERED NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE IN ANYWAY! YOUR WHOLE DAMN POST!
Is it fucking opposite day again! WTF LOL!!
Again, if my opinion is not yours, whatever, doesn't mean I am spewing "conservative soundbites", but please by all means, SHOW ME! WHERE ARE THE SOUND BITES!!!!!
So care to respond directly to my questions here? CAre to show me what you claim I said? Care to re-read your post out loud to yourself, then re-read my previous post that you quoted.
TELL ME WHICH ONE HAD NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS THREAD!
HOLY SHIT YOU GOTTA BE FUCKIN' KIDDING ME!
Very "A-typical", and boring.
But again, no hard feelings friend. Your post deserved a direct response, so that's what you got. Maybe next time you read something I write and start to get the shakes, take a step back, and make a post that is relevant and challenging to what I said, as opposed to baseless, weak, transparrent, completely out of context, and nothing more than a pathetic attempt to make this about "oooh ohhh, he's not a flaming bed wetting limp wristed liberal get'em guys!"
Instead of offering a relevant strong argument for your position. As soon as you made that post, you conceded defeat in the debate friend, you are responding from a position of weakness, clearly.
But if you just make another mindless flaming post directed my way, then don't expect a real good back and forth discussion. There are enough people here that are genuinely interested in the back and forth. Not the feet stomping, pointing, and hissing.
All ears eh?
I dunno about that.
To other members here, I apologize for making yet another irrelevant post, but at the same time, I am not gonna just turn the other cheak, DM deserves a response, he said he was all ears. BUt please DM, don't answer my questions here, if you feel compelled to make a post solely about me, then by all means create a whole new thread. I am flattered really!
Here, we were talking about Obama, whom last I checked was a liberal, and how he may change/or not MMJ policy. Hence my posts with reference to liberal dogma as it relates to our cause, the advancement of cannabis. And when I say "our" cause, I include everyone, even drooling kool aid drinkers, because whether you know it or not, we are all on the same team. It's not about liberal/conservative. Never has been. One side will lie and mislead people intentionally to get support (w/ regard to cannabis), the other seems to just tell you straight up take it or leave it they don't want anything to do with it.
I can respect someone that is honest. You can work with someone if they are honest.
NTM, if we had "true true real" conservatives, instead of these soft like snickers republicans, things may be drasticlly different.
I would not have considered the last 8 years a bastion of conservatism by any means LOL!
THanks for the good laugh today!
Originally Posted by IE2KS_KUSH
or you are not informed enough to expand beyond the boring sound bite that you are just regurgitating.
Quote:
Originally Posted by IE2KS_KUSH
I think it's more crazy to believe that the party of more, bigger, government, more laws to protect you from you, is going to reign in ANY federal agency, and advocate less government involvement, it flies in the face of the Democratic party core belief system. But we will see, or as I believe, we won't..
Hey that's a fun poke, I guess? Care to expand on that? I am not sure I understand? Usually a fun euphemism such as that is meant to poke fun no offense taken, but really, what do you mean? You might as well have started off with, "I know you are but what am I" LOL.
I have no clue, what you are talking about. Could you please just show me where I "blamed all the fuck ups of the last 8 years, whatever whatever blah blah..." If I did just cut and paste it please.
AS for my own frustrations following the elections, again, please just quote the relevant post you are referring to.
On a side note, it is funny that you consider the last 8 years, "conservative rule". LMFAO, if you really think that it was a model of conservatism, then you might not fully understand what conservatism is.
This appears to be you reading my post, getting in a huff because maybe we disagree, and you assuming you know me and my personal beliefs about "everything" including things not mentioned in this thread. So far, everything that I have cited in your post, has absolutely nothing to do with the present conversation, and appears to be nothing more than a boring attempt to sidetrack discussion of anything that I actually posted, because it may make your head explode I guess! LOL
My "conservative policies", wow, what the fuck are you referring to again here? Please enlighten me, and show me exactly what you are talking about. LOL Guess I could have just lumped this line in with the previous one. Did it just piss you off that much that I said some not kind things about liberal ideaology? Is that what sparked this completely out of context post here? Again nothing you have posted here, relevant to anything with the discussion, just a very limp-wristed type of flame attack on me because while talking about the actual topic of this post I pointed out some very "DUH DUH DUH" type of observations about liberals with regard to the way they take advantage of ignorant sheeple that make up some of the fringe of their base, while being less than sincere about the issues that seem to drive those sheeple. WAAA! I don't know who you are, but sorry if it gets your panties in a wad! LOL It's just my opinion, you don't have to like it, don't expect anyone to, or care for that matter, I am just here to speak "nuthin' but the treal".
REALLY! That's a hell of a thing to hear at the end of your post here! LMFAO!! ARe you serious! Can you read? IdK how many posts I have on this topic in this thread, don't recall how many you have.
BUt I know this one, the one that every word and sentence is literally a shallow attempt to discredit someone simply because you may disagree with them and cannot think of anything relevant to say,
Literally has absolutely nothing to do with the thread topic, AND IN YOUR ENTIRE POST YOU IN FACT OFFERED NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE IN ANYWAY! YOUR WHOLE DAMN POST!
Is it fucking opposite day again! WTF LOL!!
Again, if my opinion is not yours, whatever, doesn't mean I am spewing "conservative soundbites", but please by all means, SHOW ME! WHERE ARE THE SOUND BITES!!!!!
So care to respond directly to my questions here? CAre to show me what you claim I said? Care to re-read your post out loud to yourself, then re-read my previous post that you quoted.
TELL ME WHICH ONE HAD NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS THREAD!
HOLY SHIT YOU GOTTA BE FUCKIN' KIDDING ME!
Very "A-typical", and boring.
But again, no hard feelings friend. Your post deserved a direct response, so that's what you got. Maybe next time you read something I write and start to get the shakes, take a step back, and make a post that is relevant and challenging to what I said, as opposed to baseless, weak, transparrent, completely out of context, and nothing more than a pathetic attempt to make this about "oooh ohhh, he's not a flaming bed wetting limp wristed liberal get'em guys!"
Instead of offering a relevant strong argument for your position. As soon as you made that post, you conceded defeat in the debate friend, you are responding from a position of weakness, clearly.
But if you just make another mindless flaming post directed my way, then don't expect a real good back and forth discussion. There are enough people here that are genuinely interested in the back and forth. Not the feet stomping, pointing, and hissing.
All ears eh?
I dunno about that.
To other members here, I apologize for making yet another irrelevant post, but at the same time, I am not gonna just turn the other cheak, DM deserves a response, he said he was all ears. BUt please DM, don't answer my questions here, if you feel compelled to make a post solely about me, then by all means create a whole new thread. I am flattered really!
Here, we were talking about Obama, whom last I checked was a liberal, and how he may change/or not MMJ policy. Hence my posts with reference to liberal dogma as it relates to our cause, the advancement of cannabis. And when I say "our" cause, I include everyone, even drooling kool aid drinkers, because whether you know it or not, we are all on the same team. It's not about liberal/conservative. Never has been. One side will lie and mislead people intentionally to get support (w/ regard to cannabis), the other seems to just tell you straight up take it or leave it they don't want anything to do with it.
I can respect someone that is honest. You can work with someone if they are honest.
NTM, if we had "true true real" conservatives, instead of these soft like snickers republicans, things may be drasticlly different.
I would not have considered the last 8 years a bastion of conservatism by any means LOL!
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IE2KS_KUSH
hey just wanted t say first Cap,
I understand a lot of what you are saying.
but really we were kinda talking specifically about what he may or won't do as it relates to cannabis/mmj.
but yeah, I hear you loud and clear bro, I bet you and perpetual and myself agree on far more than what we disagree from the way it sounds.
your first reply did sound kinda mean, but hey I am not exactly princess peach either lol!
but what do you think about the raids?
surely after obama gets his federal ss force going we will see more raids in more states wouldn't you think?
hey did you catch alex jones on coast last night! LOL ! if you didn't or don't know who he is then check him out, right up your alley I have a feeling!
I understand a lot of what you are saying.
but really we were kinda talking specifically about what he may or won't do as it relates to cannabis/mmj.
but yeah, I hear you loud and clear bro, I bet you and perpetual and myself agree on far more than what we disagree from the way it sounds.
your first reply did sound kinda mean, but hey I am not exactly princess peach either lol!
but what do you think about the raids?
surely after obama gets his federal ss force going we will see more raids in more states wouldn't you think?
hey did you catch alex jones on coast last night! LOL ! if you didn't or don't know who he is then check him out, right up your alley I have a feeling!
perpetualnewb
Member
now that is a reply i can read and actually gather information from. i feal, as ikush said we mostly likely have many similar views, but i think i may be more optimistic than most. For without me looking at these things optimistically, the outlook becomes very grimm. So at this point in time a will take any small step and take it as a victory, although what i believe is right and what would really benifit this country is still a long way off. every movement needs its booker t washingtons, martin luther kings, and malcom x's. Im just much more of a booker t i suppose.
For God's sake put down the fucking pipe, people. Let the smoke clear and come back to sobriety.
Obama only has to pick up the phone and tell the DEA to de-list marijuana from Schedule 1.
He hasn't done it.
He gains nothing by doing it - by that I mean in terms of power and money.
He gains more enemies by doing it, not less.
Believing that these people (liberal politicians) are going to be your salvation is no better than believing the Easter Bunny will change the law.
Since the passage of the Harrison Stamp Act there have been multiple times in history where there has been a complete control of Congress by liberals and control of the White House by liberals.
Yet they still put us in jail.
These people are not emancipators. Emancipators are found in the Republican Party.
But you demonized us and made a jail for us. It's like you put me in jail for a crime I didn't commit and then you come back to me and need my help to solve the crime of the century and you know I'm going to tell you to fuck yourself because we both know what you did and why you did it.
Stop trying to make common cause with these people. They only win by dealing out misery and misery is all they have for you.
Obama only has to pick up the phone and tell the DEA to de-list marijuana from Schedule 1.
He hasn't done it.
He gains nothing by doing it - by that I mean in terms of power and money.
He gains more enemies by doing it, not less.
Believing that these people (liberal politicians) are going to be your salvation is no better than believing the Easter Bunny will change the law.
Since the passage of the Harrison Stamp Act there have been multiple times in history where there has been a complete control of Congress by liberals and control of the White House by liberals.
Yet they still put us in jail.
These people are not emancipators. Emancipators are found in the Republican Party.
But you demonized us and made a jail for us. It's like you put me in jail for a crime I didn't commit and then you come back to me and need my help to solve the crime of the century and you know I'm going to tell you to fuck yourself because we both know what you did and why you did it.
Stop trying to make common cause with these people. They only win by dealing out misery and misery is all they have for you.
nothing like political banter...
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IE2KS_KUSH
While I agree with much of what you are saying, I have to disagree with 2 points.
1. Obama cannot, and does not have the authority to removve cannabis as a controlled substance or reschedule it. He just doesn't.
Who does? Congress, and the AG. That's pretty much it, aside from independant petitions from groups or individuals that are made directly to the FDA I believe. However, when this is done, and 1 is currently under review I believe, they tend to wait about 20 or 30 years before they come back and tell you to fuck off, unfortunately.
2. While I agree that liberals, and democrats are in no way ever going to do anything w/ regards to what we are discussing, simply because it flies in the face of their core dogma, at this point, I do not believe that the GOP is any better. Now if you want to rephrase what you had said, I would definitely be in agreement with you that a real, true, conservative would be a much better prospect, the GOP currently does not have a real hard conservative like that anywhere to speak of. Most Republicans serving are almost indistinguishable from their more liberal counter parts, sadly.
When I think conservative, I think of Buckley, and Reagan, not the current republicans that are out there.
True conservatism is not being represented at all by the Republican party, it's very sad.
Nice post though, and like I said, I believe that we probably can see eye to eye on this I betcha.
At the risk of deraiing this thread:
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Using/growing cannabis, and being a staunch conservative, are not mutually exclusive. I happen to be of the opinion, (at the risk of derailing this thread) that until such time that a strong conservative (A REAL ONE) leader takes charge, we will not see any eh hmm... "CHANGE", with regard to federal laws on cannabis. I know many think that is crazy, maybe it is but it is what I believe.
Historical references to the help we have received from "Real Consevatives"
1986
Anti-Drug Abuse Act - Mandatory Sentences
President Reagan signed the Anti-Drug Abuse Act, instituting mandatory sentences for drug-related crimes.
In conjunction with the Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984, the new law raised federal penalties for marijuana possession and dealing, basing the penalties on the amount of the drug involved. Possession of 100 marijuana plants received the same penalty as possession of 100 grams of heroin.
A later amendment to the Anti-Drug Abuse Act established a three strikes and you're out policy, requiring life sentences for repeat drug offenders, and providing for the death penalty for drug kingpins.
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When I think conservative, I think of Buckley, and Reagan, not the current republicans that are out there.
1989
Bush's War on Drugs
President George Bush declares a new War on Drugs in a nationally televised speech.
Now I may be wrong but what exactly are you expecting the Ronald Reagan's and Bushes of the world to do for our community? I think I will pass on their kinda help if you dont mind.
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Emancipators are found in the Republican Party.Thats funny MPD! Even coming from a Weed God!
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Using/growing cannabis, and being a staunch conservative, are not mutually exclusive. I happen to be of the opinion, (at the risk of derailing this thread) that until such time that a strong conservative (A REAL ONE) leader takes charge, we will not see any eh hmm... "CHANGE", with regard to federal laws on cannabis. I know many think that is crazy, maybe it is but it is what I believe.
Historical references to the help we have received from "Real Consevatives"
1986
Anti-Drug Abuse Act - Mandatory Sentences
President Reagan signed the Anti-Drug Abuse Act, instituting mandatory sentences for drug-related crimes.
In conjunction with the Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984, the new law raised federal penalties for marijuana possession and dealing, basing the penalties on the amount of the drug involved. Possession of 100 marijuana plants received the same penalty as possession of 100 grams of heroin.
A later amendment to the Anti-Drug Abuse Act established a three strikes and you're out policy, requiring life sentences for repeat drug offenders, and providing for the death penalty for drug kingpins.
Quote:
When I think conservative, I think of Buckley, and Reagan, not the current republicans that are out there.
1989
Bush's War on Drugs
President George Bush declares a new War on Drugs in a nationally televised speech.
Now I may be wrong but what exactly are you expecting the Ronald Reagan's and Bushes of the world to do for our community? I think I will pass on their kinda help if you dont mind.
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Emancipators are found in the Republican Party.Thats funny MPD! Even coming from a Weed God!
lol to all the people who are saying that Obama can't change medical marijuana policy or affect the dea raids....
Last night at work a DEA agent came into my bar to drink. After about 8 or so drink he said he was in Law Enforcement. So I asked specially what agency... he said federal drug enforcement. I asked about his views of Alcohol (which I was selling him) vs Pot. I made it seem like I would be concerned with mmj taking business away from the bar since it is a competing drug. He said its going to get worse now that they can't mess with the mmj dispensaries because of state law... I asked him, but your a fed and federal trumps that right? He said things have changed with Obama, and that they have to respect both laws. He also admitted that they are concerned with the source of the marijuana, that they don't want it coming from violent gangs, he said mmj in clubs still comes from the cartels. And then it devolved into a discussion about if a mmj club was true non-profit, cannabis only came from and was given to patients, and all money was clear and everything was on the up without shadiness. He said thats impossible and would never happen. So will there still be investigations... no doubt. But if a coop is transparent there will be no raids. When I asked about the job thing, he also confessed that its a big issue, that none of the people on his side of the war want to lose their jobs. He said however that switching positions to another agency to have people become regulators of mmj would be a good idea....
So yeah Obama did something you fucking tards.
Last night at work a DEA agent came into my bar to drink. After about 8 or so drink he said he was in Law Enforcement. So I asked specially what agency... he said federal drug enforcement. I asked about his views of Alcohol (which I was selling him) vs Pot. I made it seem like I would be concerned with mmj taking business away from the bar since it is a competing drug. He said its going to get worse now that they can't mess with the mmj dispensaries because of state law... I asked him, but your a fed and federal trumps that right? He said things have changed with Obama, and that they have to respect both laws. He also admitted that they are concerned with the source of the marijuana, that they don't want it coming from violent gangs, he said mmj in clubs still comes from the cartels. And then it devolved into a discussion about if a mmj club was true non-profit, cannabis only came from and was given to patients, and all money was clear and everything was on the up without shadiness. He said thats impossible and would never happen. So will there still be investigations... no doubt. But if a coop is transparent there will be no raids. When I asked about the job thing, he also confessed that its a big issue, that none of the people on his side of the war want to lose their jobs. He said however that switching positions to another agency to have people become regulators of mmj would be a good idea....
So yeah Obama did something you fucking tards.
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IE2KS_KUSH
NO one has anyway of knowing if you are full of shit or not, but I am going to go out on a limb and say you are. There are a few reasons.
1. I have some doubts that a DEA agent, is going to go into a bar, have 8 drinks, and blab to some douche bar tender about anything.
2. FEDERAL LAW DOES IN FACT TRUMP STATE LAW. PROVIDE A LINK, ANYTHING ASIDE FROM YOUR "CONVERSATION W/ A SUPPOSED DEA AGENT".
Really, wow, I will have to let my brother know that. He ran owned 2 dispensaries, he was on the up and up, and transparent as hell, that's one of the reasons he was in fact arrested and charged. Much easier to get him than a shady MMj operator, the shady ones don't get biz lic, sellers permits, pay federal and state income taxes, be members of the chamber of commerce etc...
Well, that' it I guess, you hear that everyone, Obama DID do something, he just didn't tell anyone except for this one DEA agent that likes to go into bars and tell bartenders that he is a DEA agent whilst getting smashed (legally drunk) and I am assuming probably driving home. Makes sense.
My bro will be happy to hear this, I will tell him tonight, and let him know he can go ahead and cut off that ankle monitor too, and stop worring about his case, because in the infinite wisdom of this douche, "Obama DID SOMETHING". lmfao.
Care to provide a link to anything to back that up, besides your "convo" that we just have to take your word on.
That's weird that the 1 dea agent got the memo, but none of the other agents that are conducting raids and investigations didn't. HMMM? That's wierd my brother has still got a federal case. Maybe none of the folks involved got the memo though.
OR
MAYBE YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT.
PS,
You realize there have already been raids on Obama's watch right? Just checking.
I will wait for you to post some specific references to what exactly it was that Obama "did". This should be good.
TheGrapeApester
Member
all they need to do is de-criminalize it and make it a fine or something and they would still get to rape people with all the tickets they could hand out but you dont have to worry about having your door kicked in by some dea agent trying to get a promotion for fighting against something that was banned in the 20's or 30's to get mexicans out of the country.....worked really well huh?
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Hey this is far from a de-rail my friend. Good post in fact, right on topic and perfectly reasonable as far as I can see. I will do my best here.
First,
What RR did, had a whole lot more to do with the cocaine/ and crack epidemics that plagued us during his terms. Watch cocaine cowboys. The state of Fl was a war zone at the time. They needed the fed to step in. This is not an excuse but in fact a good reason. At the time, drugs had openly declared war on innocent people. He did what he had to. He did not launch an all out campaign against pot by any means, pot happens to be a "drug" as far as the fed is concerned, but like I says, the real target was cocaine/crack at the time.
Bush was a tool, he was not a conservative. Not in the mold of Buckley or RR anyway. Compared to a liberal you could say that he is to the right, but he is not a hard line conservative.
Google William Buckley, he was the "father" of conservative thought. Kind of the leader of the ideology.
A true conservative adhering strictly to conservative dogma, would in fact not support federal enforcement of drug laws. Federal drug laws fly in the face of the core values of the conservative ideals.
This today has been obscured by the GOP and religious faction in the GOP.
The reason I mentioned RR, was because he is by far the closest anyone has come to representing the true conservative values I am speaking of, although he was not perfect.
I believe the point is, liberalism subscribes to the belief at it's core that we all need more, bigger gov, more regulations, we need to be told what to do by big bro, and we need more gov in our lifes. I would be willing to listen to anyone explain how a liberal would be willing to make any head way w/ regard to cannabis. It would directly contradict their core beliefs, that's why so many think it's laughable, just as you do.
A true conservative fundamentally believes that it is up to the states and the individuals, and that fed gov does not have a place in that.
That's what I believe. I am a hard line conservative, not a bible thumper, (not anti-religion), I just don't give 2 shits about it, but I am fine with you believing what you want. Today most folks associate bible thumpers, and the GOP as "conservatives" because that is how they are labled by popular media. Which like alot of what the media does, is in-accurate. It's just that compared to the current crop of liberals, even a Bush or McCain, looks like a conservative. Compared to BUckley, they are leftist bed wetters LOL!
Hope that helps, I don't think I will change your mind, but hope that you begin to see where I am coming from and maybe it will make a lil' more sense.
Again, great post.
Great debate, that's the kind of back and forth the is respectable! +rep for you bra!
As far as what the other guy was saying, I believe his point was that real conservatism tells us that the individuals have all the ability and oppurtunity in the world, and that most of the "power" should rest with them. Real conservatism calls for empowering the individuals and putting faith in them, as opposed to the government.
Liberalism preaches the opposite. YOU CAN'T make it without help from big brother, you AREN'T smart enought to make your own decisions ect....
And if you bring those 2 ideologies to the context of this thread, whom is more likely to help our cause?
We have extreme liberals, in power now. We have yet to see a "Buckley" type in offce.
