Nutrients and Additives (UK)

[funkymonkey]

I had a pipe carved out of the stem of a huge Durban Poison x Skunk#1 I did outdoors years ago, was a great pipe but it got lost or stolen at a festival, sadly.

Soon as I can afford it I'm gonna get me some Regen-A-Root, it's way cheaper than other root stims. I liked Root Excelurator a lot but it's too expensive for me to afford, Rhizotonic's good too but also too expensive.

 

[funkymonkey]

Just a quick question for the Ripen users. Have you had it cause male flowers? I have been feeding Ripen and Molasses to this Jack Herer x Bubblegum for the last 7 days, she is at 57 days and really packing on the budmass now, gonna be a nice yielder. Today I noticed a couple of single stamen male flowers, (little yellow nanners) which surprised me, I'm thinking the Ripen has caused this.

 

[cheesey]

Just a quick question for the Ripen users. Have you had it cause male flowers? I have been feeding Ripen and Molasses to this Jack Herer x Bubblegum for the last 7 days, she is at 57 days and really packing on the budmass now, gonna be a nice yielder. Today I noticed a couple of single stamen male flowers, (little yellow nanners) which surprised me, I'm thinking the Ripen has caused this.

ive only used ripen the 1 time and will neva use it again . it changed the smell n taste of my cheese grow . 10oz of cheese wasted .

 

[Scrogerman]

Yeah i know what you mean about the Ripen, can have bad effects on flavour etc if used for too long ive found, especially at a higher EC. it stresses the hell out of plants(it is a forcing solution) & will cause nanners with prolonged use ive found. LOL i was gonna run it this time but im still toying with the idea atm, i might run it at half strength for 5 days or so then & bloody good flush & its OK, sure i could taste Sulpher on Bud that wasnt flushed so good when Ripen had been used, i did see an improvement in trichs though. i think thats the way to go with the GHRipen, Lower EC's(its at the end, EC should be reduced anyway), & dont use for long periods, seems to help with this.

Was that cheese completely ruined cheesey? or did the nastyness cure out at all? Thats a real F###ker when something like that happens.

was you getting a nasty sulpher lick to the Bud? & smell too?

 

[Londinium]

I have only ever used Ripen in Emergencies when I need a Finish very quickly...but I only used at 1/3ish strength as any stronger and It did seem to affect the taste in a way I didn't like much...Didn't get the Hermie probs but there is Sulphur or something in there which kinda poisons the plant to get it to die so could confuse sex if used at full dose I'm sure. JBo ;]

 

[funkymonkey]

Shit, ya got me worried now, I've been using the Ripen at full strength - EC 2.0, plus some molasses. Only visible effect on the plant so far is the nanners. Think I'll stop using it and start flushing.

I have 5 Mexican cuts at 59 days, I'm going to start giving one of them Ripen tomorrow to judge what the Ripen does if used at full strength for 10-15 days.

 

[Scrogerman]

Shit, ya got me worried now, I've been using the Ripen at full strength - EC 2.0, plus some molasses. Only visible effect on the plant so far is the nanners. Think I'll stop using it and start flushing.

I have 5 Mexican cuts at 59 days, I'm going to start giving one of them Ripen tomorrow to judge what the Ripen does if used at full strength for 10-15 days.

flush it too fk bro, it does give a nasty taste at High EC for sure & its definately where your late nanners are coming from, the sulpher lick wasnt just me then, thought so! Its supposed to improve aromatics which is wierd, id recommend caution.

 

[~Shhh~]

Ripen contains Abscisic acid (ABA) IIRC it triggers Ethylene production which in turns makes the plant ripen prematurely.

Not happy with the taste stuff you guys are talking about as I was gonna use it myself for a week @ 1/2- 1/3 strength then a week of water FTW, are all of you guys getting a bad taste when using it?

Cheesey what strength did you use it @ mate? And did you plain water flush after (if so how long).

I gotta get some hydrotops nutes ftw! They were good when I used them before, that triple F was the shit. Didn't u have to brew it up a bit with air pump?

 

[cheesey]

Ripen contains Abscisic acid (ABA) IIRC it triggers Ethylene production which in turns makes the plant ripen prematurely.

Not happy with the taste stuff you guys are talking about as I was gonna use it myself for a week @ 1/2- 1/3 strength then a week of water FTW, are all of you guys getting a bad taste when using it?

Cheesey what strength did you use it @ mate? And did you plain water flush after (if so how long).

I gotta get some hydrotops nutes ftw! They were good when I used them before, that triple F was the shit. Didn't u have to brew it up a bit with air pump?

half strenth i used for 5 days with a pure water 10 day flush . the buds didnt smell like cheese and tasted like ass.

 

[~Shhh~]

Oh that sounds shit, I'll give it a miss then I think as I have psychoberry on the go and they are cheese based, don't wanna fook the taste over at all.

Does everybody get this dodgy taste using ripen?

 

[funkymonkey]

half strenth i used for 5 days with a pure water 10 day flush . the buds didnt smell like cheese and tasted like ass.

Eek! I've already used it for 7 days at full strength! Starting today I'm gonna flush like hell!

I really don't want to turn this plant into hash because it tastes of sulphur!

 

[Scrogerman]

Interesting stuff eddie, dont doubt you mate, its always done what it says on the tin for me, with NFT & DWC, certainly adds trichs & swell, ive noticed it can fk the flavour up if used for too long at high EC without a proper good flush, a sulpher lick to the buds was noticed, nasty anyway, a few people reported the same. still i think im going with 5 days on half strength & a 7 day flush, usually ample in DWC. I might not bother if my 2 pheno's are finishing close to one another. I was thinking of adding B'Cuzz Bloom stim with it & carboload lol.(got them cheap)
best of luck & thanks for the feedback!

 

[EddieShoestring]

calm down, FM-it's a pretty standard hydroponicaddititive-
i didn't know it had Abscisic acid in it and the ethylene thing-but it makes sense
i've never not had any taste issues with it-nor any male flowers-but don't go as high as ec2.0-normally i give them 1.5ish

neither does it kill the plants off (as it says on the label)-i know this as last year i flowered a SSHf2 in coir with Ripen. I then re-vegged the plant without flushing out the coir-it went swimmingly well.

cool sman-i'd like to hear from more Ripen users-
cheers
eddieS

 

[Scrogerman]

yeah man, & id like to find out why the nasty taste thing happens sometimes, does it have alot of S in it(is it 2%?), ive seen it go bad a couple of times. As for using it to flower out a whole plant, thats mad too as its a forcing solution & is supposed to make/force the plant into finishing, thats that abscistic acid in it is it? Your observations using different growing methods to mine are very interesting. if it works soo good for you, i wouldnt stop using it either. i wonder what the taste improving qualities of the B'Cuzz bloom stim added with the ripen will do, smells really sweet & the plants seem to have been liking the B'Cuzz so far, strong stuff.

is it Ethylene like Shhh is saying that we can taste/impearing flavour/aroma? will sugar carbs help combat this possible side effect, id like to get to the bottom of this one so i can try to do more about it if it ever happens again. tasted like S to me(like it smells but mild like!). This is after a short flush, could of gone longer with the flush & thats what i put it down to.

Do you use any sugars with it eddie?

 

[funkymonkey]

Well, I've been giving a ton of molasses alongside the ripen and the plant looks fine apart from the odd nanner. I've watered down the remaining Ripen/Molasses I had left in the bucket to half strength and will use that for another week then plain water until harvest, first time I've run this plant as it's from seed so no idea how it will taste.

 

[funkymonkey]

I just picked up a pile of goodies on ebay for pennies.

1 litre of Bio Rhizotonic, 250ml of Bio Rhizotonic, 2x250ml Bcuzz Root Stimulator, 1 litre Bcuzz Hydro Bloom Stimulator, 1 litre Bcuzz Coco Booster I.D.

All that lot for 24.99 inc shipping, can't be bad! Gonna trial the Bcuzz Bloom Stim + Booster combo on my next run, heard good things about it.

 

[theherbalizor]

Dam FM thats a bargain! If only for the Bcuzz Bloom and COCO stims. They are great. I use as per the bottle.

 

[EddieShoestring]

Do you use any sugars with it eddie?

No-i've not used it with sugars. The only thing that i add at that point is phdown and a low dose of seaweed extract.
I don't think that ethylene is the taste that people are getting. Ethlyene is that smell that comes with over-ripe fruit. I love it-particularly from pears-but thats just meit smells almost like a spirit or some type of alcohol/solvent but in a nice way.
I'll admit that my palette may not be the most refined-and smell/taste are subjective-but male flowers are not-if this stuff had been causing nanas i'd have seen them. Having said that it is not surprising that people have varying experiences with diff products-well, to an extent anyway.

As for using it to flower out a whole plant, thats mad too as its a forcing solution & is supposed to make/force the plant into finishing,

i know that it seems counter-intuative but sometimes you have to experiment; here's Mandala Mike:

"The art of fertilization"
Ripen
This product from General Hydroponics is a real “calorie bomb” with NPK: 0-6-5 and 2,5% magnesium. It’s almost a complete fertilizer. In cannabis cultivation Ripen is a good choice for fertilizing extreme Sativas that quickly respond to nitrogen with unwanted stretching, leafy buds, and retarded flowering. Ripen assists in halting vegetative growth in tall plants quickly during pre-flowering. It can be applied in soil grows with quality potting soil during flowering to accelerate bud development and up till the final 15 days before harvest. Since it does not contain any nitrogen, use it during early flowering only if you have the plants growing in fresh soil and sufficient pot size, so that they have a source for their minimum requirements of nitrogen. The recommended dosage is very high (4-5ml/L) so please check your EC levels for the correct dosage.

he mentions using it for stretchy sats in pre-flower. I'd never thought of that.

cool guys
eddieS

 

[funkymonkey]

Hmm, I have some Colombian Gold cuttings I'm flowering shortly, maybe I'll give one Ripen all the way through, just to see what happens.

 

[EddieShoestring]

that would be interesting. I think, in view of what others have said-i'd keep it light. I noticed that the GH gen says can only be used for 2weeks before harvest-but the SSHf2 that i'm smoking right now had light doses of Ripen (ec1.2-1.4ish) alternating with plain water during weeks 7-11. that's 4weeks.
I have been experimenting with N starvation from wk2-3. Getting v noticable yellowing of lower fans by wk4. At wk7, when i began to add Ripen, the yellowing got drastic-that's another v noticable effect with Ripen. I thought that this time i'd gone too far as some of the actual buds (not just the little leaves surrounding them) began to yellow-particularly the AK-but it still didn't effect the growth/yield.
cheers
eddieS