Notcoolzeuss' first grow. Very Aggressive. 16 clones, all Reeferman strains

[Mr GreenJeans]

Man ncz - you did a super job. Especially so for your first grow! Hmmm, some tasty treats in the near future for you. For me the first puff of self grown medicine was the sweetest of my life , from the look of your girls your first tokes will rock your world.

Enjoy! -MGJ

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

Thanks Mr. GreenJeans

Here's some more pics.



This is what I left on my best G13 x BW for a reveg. From what I've read, you need to leave some bud on the plant. That's where all teh new growth will come from after the plant comes out of shock,a nd starts to reveg, if she does at all. It all depends on the genes. We'll see.



This is her temporary home until I harvest the rest. When the cab empties out, I'll put the four reveg plants in there with 24 hours of light for a month to two months, and see if they can reveg for me. For now. This girl will sit under this CFL on 24 hours.



These are all the buds from two plants drying on my racks....and some close up budshots








Only four or five days now!!!!

Peace

 

[ZeusOGrefugee]

NCZ, nice name!!!!!Ive been following ur thread religiously, but thtis is my 1st post. First off, BEAUTIFUL plants, and a job VERY well done for a first time. My first was a bit of a disaster, but on my 4th grow now, I think i got it pretty dialed in. Good luck with the harvest, and I cant wait for the smoke reports. I have been wanting Love Potion for a while ...I need a good sativa for my anxiety....peace, and please check out my thread in the Cannabis Laws forum...


http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=25692

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

Hey everyone!! I'm blushing from all of these wonderful praises. Thank you very much. It makes me feel good to know that experienced growers are telling me that my first grow looks good. That's the kind of reassurance that makes me feel as though all my research paid off. There is no shortcut. It seems like there are two basic ways to go about growing. Using bagseed, and learning on the fly until you get it right; and read, study, read, ask questions, and read. I wouldn't say that either one is better. It seems like most growers who just dive right in don't experience success until after a few grows, and they get an understanding of the plants needs, reactions, etc. On the other hand, even if you study as best as you can, there are some things you just can't learn until you try. I read about the dangers of overwatering your plants 50 times before I started my grow. And yet, when I transplanted, I overwatered and nearly killed two of my plants. It worked out in the end, but no amount of reading can replace experience. The reason I chose to study and prepare before beginning is extremely simple and selfish. I wasn't gonna spend 2 to 4 months trying to grow mj, and end up with an inferior product, or no product at all. So I did all the studying I could. I'm just glad it's working out for me. It shouldn't be surprising to me that I took to this so well. I have always had a very strong love of cannabis, and have always preached the injustice of criminalizing it.

ZeusOGrefugee- Nice tag. I like your avatar too. South Park is a great show. Thanks for the comments. I really did a ton of prepwork for this grow, so the success I'm experiencing is due to lots of reading, and lots of patient growers answering my noob questions out of the goodness of their heart. No matter what peripheral soap opera shit is going on in the world of cannabis growers, breeders, and vendors, I have no doubt that there will always be a group of dedicated growers who will continue to share their wealth of knowledge of cannabis cultivation with others for the good of the planet. It get's me all teary-eyed.

Mr GreenJeans- You are too kind as usual. I'm pretty psyched for that first true toke of cured bud. I have smoked soem quick dried buds, which were okay, and some kief from my trim, which was AAAAAWWWWWEEEESSOOOOMEEEEE!!!!! . But I'm extra psyched for the actual bud. I'm glad that you have found a way to get your medicine. For me, I'm just a rec user, although, I would call mj medicine that keeps me sane, in the same way that most people need Happy Hour to keep them sane. I don't drink, so mj is my recreational drug of choice.

sunnyside- Thanks for checking in. I've seen some of your grows. Very impressive!! Bamboo would have been the way to go, but since I was in a rush to get my girls staked up before they tipped, I went the DIY route. I had some really cheap American flags I bought for last 4th of July. They were gonna get thrown out anyway, as the fabric was fraying, so I pulled the flags off, and used the wooden sticks for stakes. They were a perfect size and strength, and cost me 50 cents a piece. I'll probably use real bamboo for the next grow. Speaking of stakes, if anyone out there is staking plants, I highly suggest a handy accessory to compliment your stakes. A roll of uncut twist ties. God, these have made my life easier. I'll post a pic below. Sunnyside, your "Monster" pic is what motivated me to go out and get the Fox Farm PK boost Tri-pack. Thanks for the compliments on my attitude. I attribute much of my positive attitude, and overall laid-back attitude to the fact that I am a habitual cannabis user. If everyone smoked, I think we'd have a lot less problems...but alas...that's just my dream.

Opt1983- Hello yet again. You are like the "Norm" of my thread. When you walk in, everyone say's "Opt!!!". Thanks again for the compliments. Man, there's some nice people on this site!! Thanks for the compliment on writing my experiences. I never finished college (no need since I'm in sales), but I always considered myself a good writer, and truly love to write. As if you couldn't tell that from my ten page posts. But I'm glad to hear others say it. I just hope that some of my posts help a noob out somewhere who's thinking of growing him/herself. I want EVERYONE to grow.

Lord Fatwa- Thanks for stopping in. I did in fact enjoy some quick dried bud and some scissor hash of Monday night. So far, my favorite has been the kief I've gotten from my trim. I smoked kief once, a long time ago, in Northern Cali, from a friend/growers stash. I loved at the time, and as soon as I took that first hit of kief, I recognized the flavor, that little tingle in your thoat, the ten minute cough, and finally.....couchlock city ! I loved it.

AbaZabba- Thanks for checking in. Dried bud shots will be coming this weekend!!!

Now on to.......more questions, of course!

Now I've read a lot about drying/curing on OG and here. I think I know what I want to do, and how to do it. But now that I have all of these experienced growers in here checking out my grow, I'd like some of them to weigh in.

I'm not gonna get in to specifics of how to dry and cure, and the different methods, because I think I know which will work best for me, and I'm pretty sure I know how to do it. I'm concerned about the differences between an air cure, and a water cure.

From what I understand, the pros of watercure are:

-Only 1 week to finished product
-Not as much aroma (Could be pro or con, depending on how you look at it)
-Removes more chems, and therefore there is no pre-harvest flush needed
-Possibly adds potency***
-Very non-harsh smoke

Cons of watercure:

-Removes a lot of individual strain taste (Has a slightly hash taste)
-Lowers weight ***(Yet same THC, therefore some say=more potency)
-Looks more brown than green
-Possible loss of trichomes if not done gently

This is what I have been led to believe are the pros and cons of a watercure, as compared to an air cure. Since this is my first harvest, I have decided to cure some bud both ways. Of the four plants I chopped Monday, 2 are drying right now, and two are in water. I wanted to see what watercuring was like, but I also wanted some properly cured bud ready sooner, so my reasoning for watercuring was twofold.

Has anyone that tried dry and water cure had any bad experiences? IF you have tried both, do you now always cure all bud one way, or do you watercure some bud, and aircure some bud as well? I'm just trying to get a better idea of the differences between the two, other than what I typed above. Is there anything important about either method that I'm missing?

PS- In case you're wondering about my drycure methods; I plan on driying on racks until stems snap, then paper bag for 1 week, opened once or twice a day, then jar cure for another 1-3 weeks burping jar once a day.

Thanks in advance for your insights on curing!!!

Peace



This is the roll of twist ties I mentioned above. If you are staking plants, I highly recommend these. Just a great tool.

 

[Underground Man]

Where did you get your silkscreen?

I have done watercuring on schwag. It unbricked the weed and made it less harsh but removed all taste. I'd only do it if the taste is bad to start with. Of course this is coming from a guy who smoked schwag exclusively until now. But doing that on schwag convinced me not to do it on my first harvest.

I am also concerned about trichome breakage. I had read that it is best to pin the weed down, and carefully siphon the water to change it to avoid disturbing the weed and causing trichomes to break. I am afraid that you may be breaking trichs by turning the jar over. YMMV

harvest looks good

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

Where did you get your silkscreen?

I have done watercuring on schwag. It unbricked the weed and made it less harsh but removed all taste. I'd only do it if the taste is bad to start with. Of course this is coming from a guy who smoked schwag exclusively until now. But doing that on schwag convinced me not to do it on my first harvest.

I am also concerned about trichome breakage. I had read that it is best to pin the weed down, and carefully siphon the water to change it to avoid disturbing the weed and causing trichomes to break. I am afraid that you may be breaking trichs by turning the jar over. YMMV

harvest looks good

I also had heard that watercuring was good to use with weed that tastes bad to remove the harshness. I've also read some good growers who swear by it too, so, that's why I'm trying both.

I think that you're right about turning the jar. I probably would have done better to weigh them down. Not to mention my stoner ass misread a watercuring thread, and I've had the lids on them for two days. Oh well. They're uncovered now, so I think they'll be fine.

Interesting that you mention trichome breakage, though, because I wanted to check that, so when I changed my water for the first time, I poured the wastewater through a coffee filter. There were some trichs on the coffee filter after, but not that many. In fact, I would venture to guess that you could lose the same amount of trichs simply handling bud that you were air drying/curing. However, when I handle my buds after they dry, I plan on doing it over a large sheet of glass for just that reason, but you get my point.

Unfortunately, I too, have smoked my fair share of scwhag, but let us rejoice!!..because those days are behind us!!

Thanks for stopping by. Peace

PS- I almost forgot. I ordered the silkscreen online from a link that my man Sleepy gave me. Thanks again Sleepy!! It was cheap, and I had it in five days. I got 110 micron 42x36 sheet for $12.95. With shipping, it came to $21.99. Here's the link-:http://www.dickblick.com

See ya

 

[NiteTiger]

You're water curing all wrong bro, you're gonna destroy that bud!!

Get them outta that jar! They need to be in an open air container, and kept out of direct light. You leave them in that jar, and nasty things could happen, because none of the nasties are being removed, they're just being redeposited on the outside of the bud!

Here's a post I did on proper Water Curing

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

You're water curing all wrong bro, you're gonna destroy that bud!!

Get them outta that jar! They need to be in an open air container, and kept out of direct light. You leave them in that jar, and nasty things could happen, because none of the nasties are being removed, they're just being redeposited on the outside of the bud!

Here's a post I did on proper Water Curing

I removed the lids from the jars early today, and changed the water out. Are you saying that I need to put them in a container with a lot of water surface area? Now that I think of it, that makes total sense.

Alright, between starting and finishing this post I changed my containers. Now they're in two bowls, and I was easily able to weigh down the buds with teacup saucers. Does this look better? After I post this, I'll check the watercuring thread you posted. Thanks for the heads up Nitetiger!!

Also, I have at least been keeping them in the dark from the start. I don't think two days in the jars with lids on will ruin the bud. At least I hope not. They'll still have plenty of time to leach whatever nasties they've accumulated now that they're in the proper containers....I hope.

 

[NiteTiger]

Nah, 2 days won't ruin your bud. I just wanted to say something before things got too far along and you got 'slime'

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

Nah, 2 days won't ruin your bud. I just wanted to say something before things got too far along and you got 'slime'

Thanks for the heads up. I'm just glad you happened to stop by and post. Funnything, the watercure thread you posted.....I read that before. It was very helpful. I wish that I had REMEMBERED IT!! Irony can be so ironic.

BTW..I'm totally lit on scissor hash right now. Yeah....I think I can get used to this.

Peace

 

[NiteTiger]

yeah, scissor hash can do that to the old memory

 

[Usagi]

My Vipers are finally here!! I have been watching your grow with great interest. I can't wait to hear the smoke report!

Do you think that Viper can be scrogged or sogged? My wife tells me that I can't use my closet for growing anymore. (P.W. I know!)

I am wondering how stealthy and small a space I can successfully grow Viper in.

 

[Sleepy]

dickblicked another one!

dickblicked another one!

hehehe

really nicely done.

enjoy.

no more schwag...

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

My Vipers are finally here!! I have been watching your grow with great interest. I can't wait to hear the smoke report!

Do you think that Viper can be scrogged or sogged? My wife tells me that I can't use my closet for growing anymore. (P.W. I know!)

I am wondering how stealthy and small a space I can successfully grow Viper in.

Usagi Welcome to my grow thread. Thanks for stopping by. I'm very psyched for you. The Viper is a very original and newer choice. I haven't found any pics of Viper grows here at ICmag, and at RM's site. You're the only other person besides me that I know who is, or who plans on growing Vipers. I think you'll be very happy. As for the PWed thing, I'm right there with ya. I get accused of that quite a bit........by my single friends. My married friends know how the whole marriage/compromise deal goes, so they aren't so quick to taunt. I'm sure your just being a good husband. Anyways......on to your questions:

I think that the Viper would be a phenomenal candidate for a scrog. One of my Vipers was severely overwatered, so she grew differently, but the other three are just bunches of colas. Whereas, the Willie Nelsons and Love Potions have a main cola, and shorter, stockier buds on the side branches, which are lower in height than the cola, the Vipers look like a collection of middle colas, all very similiar in height and size. It's like they scrogged themselves with an imaginary screen. But beware, they are very tall, and have thin stems. But, some of my other plants were sagging, and needed to be staked as well, so that might just be something I did wrong. Either way, if your're scrogging, the screen will be the support, so it wouldn't matter.

I would definitely recommend scrogging them(Remember..I haven't actually scrogged myself, so all of this is conjecture) You're gonna need some height wherever you do grow them, so prepare accordingly. I started from clone, so it's different, but I flowered them at 12 inches. They are now about 40 inches. I imagine if you're growing from seed, and need to wait for preflowers so you can sex them, that your veg time would be longer, and therefore they would be taller than 12 inches when you flipped the switch. You see what I'm getting at. The Vipers, at least the pheno that I ended up with, will stretch like crazy.

Good luck on your grow. The Vipers are getting chopped this weekend....that is, if I ever sober up from this friggin bubble hash!!! I made some DIY bubble hash, hippie style, and man, am I loving it! I'll have a smoke report for ya on the Viper within a couple weeks, so stay tuned.

Peace

Sleepy- Thanks for the compliments, and for stopping by. Always a pleasure. And thank you for the link you posted for silk screen. I have been enjoying my kief. You have been extremely helpful as always.

Peace

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

Hey everyone. I have some updayes for ya.......and of course, in typical Zeuss fashion, some more questions. So here's what's new:

Harvested G13xBW is still being water cured. They should be ready to pull out of the water Sunday or Monday. I will post a smoke report very quickly after smoking.

The Vipers are next up on the chopping block, but, there's some things I need to clarify first. More on that later.

The Willies and Love Potions are slated for chop in about a week and a half, but there are still some questions I have about harvesting in general. Again, I'll get to that later.

So I went down to check on my girls last night for the first time in a while, and I noticed an interesting new development. The Vipers have added an interesting new feature, and I'm not sure whether I should be worried or excited about it. Here's the deal. Some of the fan and bud leaves on the plant are starting to darken in color. At first, I thought mold or mildew, and was very worried. But the closer I inspected them, the more healthy they appeared. Also, the coloration seems to be starting at the leaftips, and moving inwards. I didn't think that mold grew this way. Also, my RH in my growroom has been 45% for weeks, so any mold issues would be a surprise to say the least.
So after I had ruled out mold and mildew, my mood started to change from worried to excited. I remembered looking at budshots of other growers which had strange colored leaves, usually purple. Of course, I'm trying not to get too excited, as I doubt little ol me was able to get some purps on my very first grow. So, experienced growers out there! I need your help!

Please look at these pictures, and let me know if you think the dark coloration around leaftips is a bad thing, a good thing, or an inconsequential thing. If it is starting to turn purple on me, will this have any poitive effect other than cosmetic? I'm slated to chop the Vipers on Sunday, but if they're starting to turn purple, should I wait? I checked the trichs on multiple plants/strain last night, and every single one has a very good amount of amber, so the trichs are ready. Here's the purp(maybe) pics:










You can see that the coloration has barely started, but there is definitely something going on.

My other harvest question involves ripeness. I have read that ripeness is all about the trichomes, yet I have also read that there are several signs to look for when deciding whether or not your plants are ready. I have read that when the buds are at the peak ripeness, the calyxs will swell up, and this is very noticable. This is why I ask. According to Reeferman, the Willies and Love Potions have an indoor flowering time of 10 to 12 weeks. I have read that sometimes breeders flowering times are incorrect, but usually the plants take longer than expected. Do they ever finish sooner than forecasted by the breeders? I ask this because 1 out 4 of my Willie Nelsons, and 1 out of 4 of my Love Potions, look like they are ripe as hell. Their calyxs are swollen more than any other plant in the cab. I checked the trichs on them, and they are on the money. Tons of cloudy and amber, no clear.
Could it be possible that 1 out of 4 Willies , and one of the 4 Love Potions have ripened earlier than their sisters, and may need to be chopped early? Here are pics of the colas I am talking about. You can see what I mean by swollen calyxs. They look friggin delicious.







These are the Willie



This is the Love Potion

Thanks in advance!!

Peace

 

[Guest]

Hey Notcoolzeuss; The purp in the pics is normal. As for chopping always go by the trichs if they are amber/cloudy then shes done. Because of the cross in Willie & LP You can absolutely get an early finnisher. Geat grow! Hope you like my new name. lol

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

Hey everyone. Sorry for the lack of updates. I've been very busy at home, and have had some family issues to deal with, but I'm back. My wife left town for two weeks this weekend, and unfortunately, she has commandeered her camera. Therefore, no pics today. However, I have a friend coming over tonight, and he will be lending me his camera for the interim. So there will be pictures at some point.

The air-cured buds were jarred yesterday, and the watercured, was totally dry as of yesterday, and I have jarred them as well. I've been doing as much readin g as possible on curing lately, as I am highly interested. I'll have some really good pics of buds dried both ways. Here's the differences that I have noticed so far:

The water cured buds look much smaller, which is no surprise, as I've heard water-cured loses more weight than air cured. Also, the water-cured looks a whole lot different than the air-cured. The water-cured is brownish colored, with lots of visible trichs that are sandy colored. The air-dried are bigger, much greener, and the trichs look more white and crystally, rather than sandy. Under the microscope, the trichs on the water cured appear as though they have shrunk significantly. When I compared to trichs on air-cured buds, they were much, much smaller. The air cured still has a bit of a leafy, chlorophyll taste, whereas the water-cured has more of a neutral, hash-like taste. I've read that water cured is less harsh. It may feel less harsh being inhaled, but it makes me cough like a bitch. As far as potency, I have not really seen much of a difference yet. I would say that the water-cured is slightly more potent, but I imagine a lot will change as they actually "cure".

You see, I had read that the week-long water cure replaced the entire process of air-curing. But as I read more from people who water-cure frequently, they indicated that the water-cure process takes the place of the air-drying, but for truly cured bud, the ater-cured should be jar-cured just like the air-dried. I heard that although the water cure takes away smell and taste, which it does, if you jar cure it after, it will regain some of it's original taste and smell. This makes sense, so I jarred up the airdried, as well as the watercured yesterday. Each week, I will smoke a bud os each, and give you guys smoke reports. When I get the camera tonight, I'll post pics showing the difference in color between the two. They look MUCH different.

As far as yield, my initial suspicions seems to have been well founded. The G13xBlack Widow seem to have yielded a very miniscule amount. The buds don't seem like they filled out as good as they should have. Given that they were treated exactly the same as the other 12 plants, and the other 12 plants look huge, I am quite perplexed. I'm thinking that it may just have been the genetics, and I got some bum cuttings. Not that I'm unhappy. I mean, this is the first bud I ever grew, and I am very excited to have it at all. I just wish that the first plant I ever chopped down was a little larger. Oh well. Next weekend, I'm chopping the 12 plants left in the cab. Now that will be a very good day.

G13xBlack Widow dry weight-61 grams.

I'll post some more updates and comparisons later. Gotta go for now.

Peace

 

[Underground Man]

thanks for the update.

I didn't realize you still had 12 plants to harvest looks like you will have a great yield.

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

Yep. The G13 x Black Widows that I harvested were 4 out of 16 total plants. I now know that the G13s were not fully mature, and were harvested too early. The trichs seemed fine, but the buds were very airy, and seemed underdeveloped. I don't give a shit, however, because on Sunday I harvested 4 Vipers, and 4 Love Potions, and.........GODDAMN!!!! Yesterday was a very good day. I had no idea how amazing this would be.

I'm sorry I don't have any pics yet, but I'll snap some tonight. I can't even take a guess as to my yield, but it's gotta be damn good. They look better, smell better, and just plain blow away the G13 x Black Widow that I harvested. The Vipers budleaves did turn a little purple on me, and you can see a hint of purple in the buds. They are soooooo thick and big, as are the Love Potions. Undried and uncured, it still tasted amazing, and knocked me on my ass. And the kief!!! Fuhgetaboutit!!

I don't even know how I'll cure them. I don't think they make mason jars that big!! A few off the colas have to be at least 15 inches. I'll post pics when I get home. Thanks a ton to anyone who helped out along the way. I really appreciate it.

Peace

 

[Sleepy]

way to go!!!

way to go!!!

.........GODDAMN!!!! Yesterday was a very good day. I had no idea how amazing this would be.
Peace

aint that the best!!!

congrats, NCZ!!!