Notcoolzeuss' first grow. Very Aggressive. 16 clones, all Reeferman strains

[Notcoolzeuss]

ncz - I think they look fine for their age. They will fill in later in flower. You're going to have a nice first harvest.

Thanks Mr. GreenJeans. I was beginning to think the same thing. I looked around for other pictures of mj the same age, and mine look ok to me. I tested the ph of the runoff anyway, because I've heard that Fox Farms OF gives you ph issues down the road. Most people use lime in their mix the second time round. I used the same water I feed them which is 7.0. The runoff tested at 6.9. Is that a bit high? I have a bag of lime. Is it possible to add that to water before feeding?

nice.. how long did ya vegg them babies?

Anywhere from 2 to 3 weeks. I got unrooted cuttings on 1/1/06....all rooted 1-2 weeks....flipped to 12/12 on 1/28/06. Thanks for checking in.

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

ncz - pH7 water might be a bit high for your mix - I'd pH adjust it down to around 6 and then water. From what I've read it is good to get them down in the low 6's wet and let the soil buffer them up a bit as they dry, better all around nute absorption. The lime will take the pH up higher, you don't want to do that. pH down, or an alternate ( I've seen citric acid used too ) should do the trick.

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

Here are some fresh pics. You can definitely see some trichomes, especially on the G13 x Black Widow.



G13 x Black Widow



Willie Nelson



Viper (close up)



Same Viper, wider shot



Same G13 x Black Widow (close up)



The Jungle



The G13s are raised because they are so much shorter than the rest

 

[Guest]

I like to see jungle's from time to time... Nice work Zeuss

 

[Mr GreenJeans]

Nice jungle and macro shots!

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

Well, I just got back from a quick trip to the hydro store. God, I love that place!! Anyways, those of you who have followed my grow are aware that I am quite a fan of Fox Farms. I have FF Ocean Forest Soil, FF Perlite, FF Growbig, FF Bigbloom, and FF Tigerbloom. After seeing some people post pics after using the new FF line of ferts, beastie bloomz, I decided to pick up the tripack. So now I have the Open Sesame, Beastie Bloomz, and Cha-Ching. I am fully aware that there is no way in hell that these products can be organic, but Fox Farms other stuff isn't quite organic either, so that's not a big deal to me. I just want to give my girls a nice little boost while in flower, and these puppies should do the trick. I've seen quite a few nice pics from people who used it on this site. Hopefully, I'll see the same results.

Peace

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

Hey everyone. Thanks for checkin out my first grow. I have a question. I originally had my growbags supported on a metal grid at the bottom of my cab like......


but after the stretch, due to vertical issues, I had to remove the grate. At the time, I didn't think it was a big deal because I originally built it for drainage purposes. I water my plants outside the box, one at a time, and there is extremely little water ever reaching the floor of the cab. I noticed a slight stall in growth, and realized that they were sitting on the cement floor, and that was leaching all of the heat from the soil. The bags were very cold. So I bought a nice wool Martha Stewart blanket, and laid it on the cab floor. I also put two heat mats underneath the blanket. Each of 10 of the grow bags is partially resting on part of one of the mats. (The other 6 bags are on a shelf I built because they are half the height of the others{G13 x Black Widow})
Sorry, I have a tendency to ramble. Anyway.......

With the heat mats underneath the grow bags, after I water them, is there any danger of mold or bud rot due to a damp, warm environment? Or maybe root rot? I know that's mostly a hydro issue, but I think I heard that it can happen in soil. I know heating the root zone is beneficial for seedlings and clones, so I figured it would be fine with the adults too.....right??

So...

Heating mats under grow bags during flower....good or bad?

Thanks

 

[Guest]

Hey bud, nice little grow youve got going.

I wouldnt put any blanket directly under the bags, especially a wool blanket. The humidity will cause mold not to mention the water draining on it, even if it is a little bit. It also causes a fire hazard having water draining onto any electrical components. Ive never experienced a fire from water leaking onto heating pads but I do have several worthless heating pads as a result. I would suggest buying one of those propagation trays from the hydro store and putting the heating pads underneath if cold temps are an issue.
Anyways.... great job on the grow and wish the best of luck to you.

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

Thanks for the reply Potent. I am still using the heating mats, but I only have them on for an hour or two a day. Just enough to keep the rootzone from getting too cold. I don't think mold will be an issue, as I have been very careful about letting them drain properly after feeding, before I put them back in the box.

Of course not one day can go by without me having another question/issue, but today I have a new problem. On another thread that I posted on this site a few weeks ago, someone replied to me after seeing pictures of my girls. He told me that my stems were too thin. I freaked out a little, but most people reassured me, and told me that the stems would thicken up over time. Well, they have gotten thicker than before, but some are way too thin.

Now, don't get me wrong. When I decided on attempting this first ever grow, I made a list of things that might go wrong, so that I could keep an eye on them. Believe me, the problem of.......

My buds are getting so frikkin heavy that the stems barely support them.

was DEAD LAST on my list. It seems like a pretty damn good problem to have. The stems themselves aren't very thin, it's just that my buds are putting on weight. And now that I fed them Beastie Bloomz last night, I think they're just gonna get heavier.

What would you suggest? Is there any type of fert/nute, that would help thicken stems specifically? I thought that I was keeping them pretty well fed. Right now they get:

(Per Gallon of water)
5 drops Superthrive
2 tsp Liquid Karma
2 tsp FF Grow Big
2 tsp FF Tiger Bloom
1 tbls FF Big Bloom
1/2 tsp Beastie Bloomz

That's every other watering. I was feeding once a week. They've been drinking faster lately(more roots?), so I've been feeding them once every 3 to 4 days.

By the way, the only strain that I'm having the thin stem issues with is the Vipers. The rest are fine. Another thing......If anyone is familiar with the strain G13 x Black Widow, are they always this short????
When I flipped to 12/12, the tallest, which were the four Vipers, were 12 inches each. At the same time, the G13 x Black Widow were about 9 inches. Now, almost 30 days later, it seems like all the girls are done stretching.
The Vipers are all at least 40 inches high. The Willie Nelsons and Love Potions are anywhere from 30 to 40 inches high. Then, the G13 x Black Widows are all exactly 12 inches, and they're buds are very small compared to all the others. Is this normal??
I'm a little confused about the whole Indica/Sativa thing. I'm guessing that Indicas grow more like trees, and Sativas like bushes????? Maybe??
I'm also thinking that the WNs, LPs, and Vipers are all mainly Indica, maybe mixed with a little Sativa????? And maybe that the G13 x Black Widow is pure Sativa, and that's why they are so short???? Am I off base here, or is this probably right. I'm just confused because on Reeferman's site, he lists the G13 x Black Widow as flowering at 7 weeks, and all my other strains finish between 8-12 weeks. But the G13 are waaaay behind the others in terms of size.(They are however, the frostiest).

Sorry for all the questions, but I just wanted to clear this up. I wish I could post pics of the thin stems for ya, but my wife is away on a business trip, and she took her camera. So.....no pics til Wednesday night unfortunately.

Thanks for stopping by.

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

Sorry about the dumb questions above. Just when I thought I knew something about weed, I ask a stupid question like that. Well, after doing some investigating on my own, I figured out that I had Sativa and Indica mixed up. The indicas are the short ones. And I also found out that G13 x Black Widow is pure indica, and grows VERY short. So, at least now I know I didn't screw them up to make them short.

By the way.... I already can see a huge difference after using the Beastie Bloomz only 5 days ago. The buds are gettin' really big and frosty. Well, not too big, but certainly big for being at day 31 of flower. They get one more dose of the Bloomz, and then it's on to the Cha-Ching. Can't wait to see what that does. Still waiting for the wife to get back from her business trip with that camera. I'll have some real nice pics to post on Wednesday night.

Peace

 

[Opt1983]

Zeuss, i wouldn't worry so much bout the stems. If the buds get too heavy thats a good thing! just find a way to tie them up so they don't topple over. Make sure from here on out u keep that light as close as possible...u want them buds to get as dense as can be. sounds like your doing fine bro.... it's basically just a waiting game now! -Opt

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

Zeuss, i wouldn't worry so much bout the stems. If the buds get too heavy thats a good thing! just find a way to tie them up so they don't topple over. Make sure from here on out u keep that light as close as possible...u want them buds to get as dense as can be. sounds like your doing fine bro.... it's basically just a waiting game now! -Opt

Right on. Thanks for the tips. I actually raised my lights about a week and a half ago, as they were getting a little too close. Of course, as if they were playing a cruel joke on me, they immediately stopped stretching. So, after waiting to see if there was some kind of growth stunt, I decided last night that they were indeed done stretching. So, I moved the lights back down to where they will remain until harvest. My MH is about 15 inches above, and my HPS about 12 inches above.

About the stems. Like I said....I'm really not worried. Having buds that are too heavy is a problem that I relish in having. They're not even that bad. When they're all in the box, they help support each other. The thin stems were only noticable when I pulled them out of the box for feeding, and the stems were sagging. They kind of fit perfectly together in the box, and hold each other up. Awwww...isn't that nice.

Anyways, although I usually have no problem finding something to worry about, I'm quite content now. Nothing left to do but kick back, and enjoy watching these girls grow.

Thanks again for the reassurement, Opt1983.

You da man!

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

Finally!!

Some updated pics




This is Viper. She's the one with the thin stems. You can see her cola is bent, but when she's tucked in the box, she leans on her sisters.





Same Viper

Cool thing about the 4 Willie Nelsons I ended up with. One is more of a shorter, bushier pheno, and the other is a tall thin pheno.



Here's the taller, thinner pheno on Willie Nelson



Same plant



This is the shorter Willie Nelson pheno



Close up of the cola of the same plant





Willie Nelson cola



Viper cola



I like this view



Love Potion



closeup of same plant



G13 x Black Widow (these girls are 1/3 the size of all my other plants)



closeup of same plant

Thanks for stopping by.

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

Nobody likes my pictures?

I was so excited to post them

Any experienced growers out there! Do these look OK for 32 days into flower. I feel that they are a pretty good size for not even being half way there yet. I really love the close up pictures of the Viper and Willie Nelson colas that I used the flash for. The cam flash makes the bud so much greener. I'll start using that flash for every picture now. I wish I had a better camera, because there's no way to show you how frosty they look already!! I'm really psyched.

Thanks for stopping by.

Ahhhhhh.....one more time





I REALLY like these pics!!

 

[Sleepy]

uh...they look awesome.

uh...they look awesome.

don't worry what people are 'saying'...

your plants look very healthy. seriously.

stake them up now, and you won't have to worry about looking in on them after one has fallen over.

>you have no bugs/or deficiencies in the grow, you are doing fabulous!

go easy with the ferts/additives.

you shouldn't need superthrive.

nice pictures!

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

don't worry what people are 'saying'...

your plants look very healthy. seriously.

stake them up now, and you won't have to worry about looking in on them after one has fallen over.

>you have no bugs/or deficiencies in the grow, you are doing fabulous!

go easy with the ferts/additives.

you shouldn't need superthrive.

nice pictures!

Hey!! I just posted in yer thread. I come back here and see you visited mine. Too funny!!! Thanks for the advice. I think I'll lay off the ST like you suggested. I should stake them, but I needed to clarify some stuff first.

What is best to use as stakes?
I have a tone of leftover Romex electrical cable. I can strip the insulation off, and I'll have some nice, bendable, copper wires, but I'm not sure if the coper will rust or screw with my PH.

I'm also a little nervous about sticking anything blindly into the soil. Isn't it possible to damage the roots in this way?

Thanks in advance for anyone who can help. Sleepy, thanks as always. Every post and thread that I see you in, you're always helping people grow. People like you are the reason I love this site so much.

Peace

 

[Opt1983]

Zeuss, if your worried bout damaging the roots.... do what i do lol... use some twine. Almost alwayz the main cola (center stem) is almost alwayz nice and sturdy...it's the other branches that come off of that stem that usually need help..at least in my situation. If that is the same for u..all i do is take some yarn, twine whatever and tie that loosly onto the main stem...then the other end loosly onto whatever branches are falling over...the main stem holds them up. just my 2 cents! -Opt

 

[rusto]

i like what i see

 

[AbaZabba]

Very nice zeus, they looks about right for 32 days with your type lighting setup. Theyre also about to hit the swell period,
I love the viper,it looks so

Goob job bro, and good luck re-vegging for some more clones of those ladies.

 

[Notcoolzeuss]

Sleepy- Thanks for the encouraging words. Always good to run into you whether it's in my thread or yours. I hope you don't mind if I steal your system for replying to others. It's just such a simple and succinct way of responding to everyone's individual comments, I had to steal it.

Opt- Thanks for checking in again. I actually already did tie a few side branches from the Viper to the main stem. It worked well, but when I pull the plant out of the cab to water, the whole thing sways like crazy. It's no big deal. What better problem to have than buds that are too big. I wish the problems in my real life were that good.

rusto- I like what I see too. Man, I've always loved smoking weed, and recently decided it would be my one and only drug.(I quit drinking alcohol) As much as I love mj, I can't believe it took me this long to try growing it. It's a whole different relationship when the plant is still alive.

Abbazabba- Thanks for checking in. From other pics I've seen on this site, it seems like they do look about right for 32 days flower. Thanks. Swell period!!!!! They've been swelling like crazy for a week. More swelling!!! That rocks!! I have one more feeding of the Beastie Bloomz, then I switch to Cha Ching. Those should help make a difference. I swear they've already taken off since I first added the Beastie Bloomz a week ago, but since this is my first grow.....who knows if it's doing anything? My favorite strain changes every ten minutes, but right now my fav is the Viper too. Originally, they looked like they stretched too much, and they were a bit tall and thin, but now, they have the thickest colas, and they're frosty as hell!!! I've never seen a grow or smoke report on Viper yet, so I'm looking forward to being one of the first.

Everyone- Thanks for your tips and advice. The only reason they look so good is because of you guys and people like you guys who share the knowledge. I love this place. I gotta show my first grow off to someone!! I appreciate all of the advice on the thin stems. Believe me when I say that I am not worried about it. Not to mention that it's only two of the Vipers that are having the issues. 2 plants out of 16. No biggie. I'm gonna pick up some stakes today. Maybe some bamboo. It depends on what I can find. Not a ton of gardening supplies in the hardware stores when it's 20 degrees outside. I'd go to the hydro shop, but I'd end up buying too much. I can't control myself in that place. I'll continue to update as I get closer......and I'll be using the flash for every picture now. I can't believe it took me this long to figure out that I should use a flash. In fact, I think that I'm gonna pick the best one from each strain, and get some nice close ups so you guys can see how frosty they are.

Peace