NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THIS - The Kalergi Plan.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

After appealing to the new Italian leader Benito Mussolini in an open letter published in Neue Freie Presse (unanswered),(35) Coudenhove-Kalergi set about writing what would become his programmatic book for the new movement. Pan-Europe (36) was published by the movement’s own house, the Paneuropa-Verlag in October 1923, with each copy sold or sent to men of influence containing a card inviting the recipient to become a member of his new ‘PanEuropean Union’.(37) While Pan-Europe as a term had a longer provenance that Coudenhove-Kalergi gave it credit for – certainly, Fried had already explicitly called for a Pan-European Bureau and/or Union (38) – it was at least true that as an organisation, Pan-Europe ‘began with the appearance of this book’.

(39) The Austrian Chancellor Ignaz Seipel looked favourably upon this new organisation, and granted it the considerable prestige of offices in the imperial Hofburg Palace in Vienna.
Pan-Europe both sold well and received a great deal of attention, including a front-page
review in the Neue Freie Presse.

(40) By 1926 it had sold 16 000 copies, and by 1928 it had been
translated into most major European languages.(41) Contemporaneous accounts of its tremendous influence abound; as Alfred Bingham wrote in 1940, Pan-Europe ‘did more to make Europe think of its own unity than any other one book’.

(42) In addition to receipts from this book, the organisation was given a considerable financial boost from the donation of 60 000 German gold-marks by the financier Max Warburg, to cover operational costs for the first three years of the organisation’s existence. In April 1924 the movement launched its official organ, the German-language journal Paneuropa – occasional French issues were also published – which was to continue regular publication (ten issues yearly) until 1938.(43)

- In these early years, political signs too were encouraging, especially when
filtered through Coudenhove-Kalergi’s rose-tinted lens:

(36) R.N. Coudenhove-Kalergi, Paneuropa (Vienna: Pan-Europa-Verlag; 1923). To avoid confusion, here and hereafter I
refer to the 1923 book by its English language title Pan-Europe, and the journal that ran from 1924 to 1938 as
Paneuropa.
(37) Coudenhove-Kalergi, An Idea Conquers The World, 98
(38) A.H. Fried, The Restoration of Europe, trans. Lewis Stiles Gannett (New York: Macmillan; 1916), 142. For more on
Fried’s plans, and his relationship with Coudenhove-Kalergi, see K. Sorrels, Cosmopolitan Outsiders: Imperial
Inclusion, National Exclusion, and the Pan-European Idea, 1900-1930 (New York: Palgrave Macmillan; 2016)
(39) Coudenhove-Kalergi, Pan-Europe, 82n*
(40) H. Müller, "Die Vereinigten Staaten von Europa", Neue Freie Presse, 2 December 1923, p. 1-2
(41) Namely: English, French, Croatian, Spanish, Greek, Hungarian, Latvian, Dutch, Polish and Czech (L. Jílek, PanEurope (1923) et le mouvement paneuropéen. Richard N. de Coudenhove-Kalergi entre l'Empire d'AutricheHongrie et une Europe gaullienne. Guide de recherche (Geneva: Fondation Archives Européennes; 1994), 36)
(42) A.M. Bingham, The United States of Europe (New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce; 1940),
(43) A complete collection is to be found at ACV, PP 1000, 217 (German editions), 218 (French editions)
44 Coudenhove-Kalergi, Pan-Europe, 197

- above is from this thesis on Count Coudenhove Kalergi - 'The time and space of Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi’s Pan-Europe, 1923- 1939'

by Benjamin James Thorpe, BA. MA.

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/161100508.pdf

 

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[Gypsy Nirvana]

- Hmmm - some interesting looking developments - hypothesis - theories - start to pop up - when you venture down various historical rabbit/wormholes -

- Rabbit-holes might end in a box canyon - and then you have to back out - and start over - going some other route - if you can find one that is - others seem to push you thru some sort of 'Worm-Hole' - and you come out the other side into a new dimension of ideas - and so discovery -

- Whilst researching Max Warberg - it led me to the fact that Max had given/loaned 60,000 German Marks to Count Coudenhove Kalergi - Max Warberg is the brother of Paul Warberg - and related to the Schiffs - and various other top Zionists/bankers and industrialists - who would all profit from wars/revolutions -

- Max Warberg worked under Hjalmar Schacht - ''From 1933-1938, he served on the board of the German Reichsbank under governor Hjalmar Schacht. ''

Hjalmar Schacht - who was tried at the Nuremberg Trials after WW2 - was HITLERS BANKER until 1938 - so its plain to see that Adolf Hitler had a close working relationship with these Zionist Jewish Bankers/Financiers - from before 1933 to at least 1938 - and they all helped to set up Nazi Germany as one of the leading military powers in the world - and ready to go to war -

- So where do we go from here? - this claim/idea just popped up down a rabbit/worm hole - kinda blows my mind too - to think that maybe Adolph Hitler - and the very top Zionist aristocracy - bankers and financiers - that could pay for wars - and profit from them - as has been shown previously in this thread - were actually in cahoots - to some degree - and its money that brings them all together - and allegedly blood -

- The Zionists funded and organized those funds thru the Reichsbank for Hitler over many years - to develop Nazi Germany - because somehow Hitler was connected via his alleged Jewish bloodline to them? - now that's got me moving thru the historical matrix - lol

* from the link below - is the statement below -
https://charlesfrith.blogspot.com/2013/12/hitlers-circumcision.html


''It's important to remember that Hitler and Eva Braun were both of Jewish extraction (see links on names).

- Eva Braun link - https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...-braun-associated-ashkenazi-jews-9239784.html

- Adolph Hitler link - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...descended-Jews-Africans-DNA-tests-reveal.html

- I've come across this information before, but it was only last night that I finally had no other choice but to seriously entertain that Hitler was likely a Kuhn & Loeb or Schiff or Warburg AKA Rothschild banking bloodline Zionist who was coaxed and guided into power all his life until he could exploit ordinary Jews for the political goals of Zionist Jews -

- You can see this premise is a historical fact if the reader familiarises themselves with Transfer Agreement. This was a pact between Nazis and Zionists to establish a homeland for Jews in Palestine. You may also wish to double-check on Hitler's Jewish ancestry and do a little research on how the banking bloodlines frequently place their illegitimate children into positions of power -

- It's mind-blowing stuff, but so well documented that it's impossible to reject this narrative of Hitler, if the reader has soberly researched the Banking bloodlines and how they use their bastard children to do their dirty work for them.'' -

* now we have a meme below based on 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion' - countering that Hitler was some sort of Rothschild agent - and was the cracked-actor - the stooge - the fall-guy - of the Zionists Bankers (with great orating skills) to create a massive war in Europe -

- Jacob Schiff funded the Japanese during the Russo-Japanese war of 1905 against the Russians - and also Alexander Karensky - who was the lead guy in the Russian Revolution in March 1917 - when the Tsar of all Russia was overthrown - and a close friend of Lenin - and Schiff's funds also found their way into funding The October Bolshevik Revolution in Russia of 1917 too -

- so what I get so far is - Zionist Jewish bankers - funding and helping Japanese Imperialism - Russian-Communists/Marxists/Bolsheviks and German National Socialists/Nazi's and Britain - (funded Churchill) and the USA - (funded Roosevelt) - and also 60,000 Reichsmarks to none other than Count Coudenhove Kalergi - to propel them into wars killing tens of millions of Christians - and a few million Jews - (mostly poor working class Jews) - which they profited from immensely -

- WW2 - was like a 5 horse race (U.S.A.- Britain - Russia - Germany and Japan ) - and all horses in the race were backed by those that would profit most from its occurrence - they just couldn't lose -

- Question: for each Jew that died in a conflict/war from 1900 - 2000 - how many Christians or Muslims died?

- If you put on the religious/ethnic group goggles on - and see this whole scenario from a Jewish/Zionist perspective - maybe you would feel like you were 'Winning?' -

- so moving on - whilst surfing a bit more - on this here internet - I came across this meme - and thought - how could that be?

- WW2 = Fascist v Fascist???!!!! Outrageous!! - - wasn't it communism and western democracies v fascism? (but who funded all of them - and why?)

** now lets do a study on what exactly Zionism is - shall we? - could it be said that Zionism = Fascism? - if so we might be onto something here - <stares into space - in contemplative mode>

 

[Absolem]

Henry Ford was a early supporter of hitler. As were many others. It was also the Ford family that was a major player in the arms race that stopped hilter with their massive war production in WWII. It's not really surprising to me that many German elites would donate to hilter and his party thinking they could control it or be part of it. Like many who believed that they eventually fled Germany when the nazi's came looking for them. I'm not really sure why there is such a focus on the few Jewish people who tried to work with hitler before they found out what he and his party had planned. Dismissing 100's of white people who backed hitler only to focus on the few Jewish people who backed hitler in his early days seems weird.

https://www.historyextra.com/period...man-elite-facilitated-rise-nazis-third-reich/

Rather than seeking to combat Nazism, the elite hoped to co-opt Hitler, with chancellor Franz von Papen offering him the role of vice-chancellor. “A metaphor these people used a lot – because most of them were noble horsemen – is that they wanted to ride the Nazi movement like a horse,” says Malinowski. “They would use the momentum and the political potential of the Nazi party but still keep it at bay. The idea of ‘framing’ – to control Hitler, to keep him in a conservative ‘frame’ – was the key concept in 1933. And it was a moment of deep misery in the history of German conservatism.”

“Many members of the German elites thought he was going to be the useful idiot who was going to play their games. They thought he could be controlled. And I come back to this metaphor of the horseman riding the horse, except that within three or four months, they discovered that they were the horse and that Hitler was the horseman.”

Less than two months after Hitler became chancellor, he introduced the Enabling Act that effectively marked the end of democracy and the start of the Nazi dictatorship. Measures rapidly followed that clamped down on political parties, trade unions and, of course, Jews. The elites that had hoped to control Hitler had misjudged him totally. Says Malinowski: “This was a bunch of powerful men overestimating their political intelligence and their capacities, and very much underestimating the technical intelligence of the Nazis and the ruthlessness and brutality with which they were going to dismantle and destroy the state, and use their power against their conservative allies.”

Some of those conservative allies, like von Schleicher, met their end in the Night of the Long Knives of June 1934. This was a time of realisation for the German elite, as Malinowski says: “Now they understood that this monster they had helped create had come to a Frankenstein moment where it could no longer be tamed, and was redirecting its violence against its own creators.”

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

* Hmmmm - interdasting - lol - Ya - google 'Zionism-Fascism' - and what do you know - I find a letter from Albert Einstein from 1948 - addressed to The Editor of The New York Times -

- Einstein Letter Warning Of Zionist Fascism In Israel -

- Letter That Albert Einstein Sent to the New York Times 1948, Protesting the Visit of - Menachem Begin -

Letters to the Editor
New York Times
December 4, 1948

TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:

- Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.-

- The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.-


- Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin's behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement. The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future -

- Attack on Arab Village -

- A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants ? 240men, women, and children - and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin. The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party -

- Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultra nationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority - Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model. During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute -

- The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defence activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavours were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.

- Discrepancies Seen -

- The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party.

- This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is the goal -

- In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin's efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin -

- The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.

ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ
HANNAH ARENDT
ABRAHAM BRICK
RABBI JESSURUN CARDOZO
ALBERT EINSTEIN
HERMAN EISEN, M.D.
HAYIM FINEMAN
M. GALLEN, M.D.
H.H. HARRIS
ZELIG S. HARRIS
SIDNEY HOOK
FRED KARUSH
BRURIA KAUFMAN
IRMA L. LINDHEIM
NACHMAN MAISEL
SEYMOUR MELMAN
MYER D. MENDELSON
M.D., HARRY M. OSLINSKY
SAMUEL PITLICK
FRITZ ROHRLICH
LOUIS P. ROCKER
RUTH SAGIS
ITZHAK SANKOWSKY
I.J. SHOENBERG
SAMUEL SHUMAN
M. SINGER
IRMA WOLFE
STEFAN WOLF.

Albert Einstein - New York, Dec. 2, 1948

* btw - remember that the great Albert Einstein was Jewish himself -

https://wilsonweb.physics.harvard.e...tter_Warning_Of_Zionist_Facism_In_Israel.html

** original copy -

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- Yes - it is true that Henry Ford was a huge supporter of Hitler - also Prescott Bush - (The Bush Clan and Skull and Bones secret society at Yale University) - was working on helping the Nazi's industrial capabilities until 1941/2 - Standard Oil too and others -

- But for the money - (no-money-no-honey - no tanks - no planes - no bullets - no bombs etc) - Hitler went to the Zionists within his own Reichsbank to find the funds to create the 3rd Reich - and Max Warberg - who served on the board of the German Reichsbank under governor Hjalmar Schacht - didn't even leave Germany till 1938 long after Hitler came to power - This same group of VERY powerful Zionist bankers via Roosevelt and The Federal Reserve Bank - also supplied Russia with $180 billion (in todays money): and Britain with billions of dollars and equipment - via 'Lend-Lease' -

Even before the United States entered World War II in December 1941, America sent arms and equipment to the Soviet Union to help it defeat the Nazi invasion. Totalling $11.3 billion, or $180 billion in today’s currency, the Lend-Lease Act of the United States supplied needed goods to the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1945 in support of what Stalin described to Roosevelt as the “enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy — bloodthirsty Hitlerism.”

400,000 jeeps & trucks
14,000 airplanes
8,000 tractors
13,000 tanks
1.5 million blankets
15 million pairs of army boots
107,000 tons of cotton
2.7 million tons of petrol products
4.5 million tons of food

https://ru.usembassy.gov/world-war-ii-allies-u-s-lend-lease-to-the-soviet-union-1941-1945/

Henry Ford was a early supporter of hitler. As were many others. It was also the Ford family that was a major player in the arms race that stopped hilter with their massive war production in WWII. It's not really surprising to me that many German elites would donate to hilter and his party thinking they could control it or be part of it. Like many who believed that they eventually fled Germany when the nazi's came looking for them. I'm not really sure why there is such a focus on the few Jewish people who tried to work with hitler before they found out what he and his party had planned. Dismissing 100's of white people who backed hitler only to focus on the few Jewish people who backed hitler in his early days seems weird.

https://www.historyextra.com/period...man-elite-facilitated-rise-nazis-third-reich/

Rather than seeking to combat Nazism, the elite hoped to co-opt Hitler, with chancellor Franz von Papen offering him the role of vice-chancellor. “A metaphor these people used a lot – because most of them were noble horsemen – is that they wanted to ride the Nazi movement like a horse,” says Malinowski. “They would use the momentum and the political potential of the Nazi party but still keep it at bay. The idea of ‘framing’ – to control Hitler, to keep him in a conservative ‘frame’ – was the key concept in 1933. And it was a moment of deep misery in the history of German conservatism.”

“Many members of the German elites thought he was going to be the useful idiot who was going to play their games. They thought he could be controlled. And I come back to this metaphor of the horseman riding the horse, except that within three or four months, they discovered that they were the horse and that Hitler was the horseman.”

Less than two months after Hitler became chancellor, he introduced the Enabling Act that effectively marked the end of democracy and the start of the Nazi dictatorship. Measures rapidly followed that clamped down on political parties, trade unions and, of course, Jews. The elites that had hoped to control Hitler had misjudged him totally. Says Malinowski: “This was a bunch of powerful men overestimating their political intelligence and their capacities, and very much underestimating the technical intelligence of the Nazis and the ruthlessness and brutality with which they were going to dismantle and destroy the state, and use their power against their conservative allies.”

Some of those conservative allies, like von Schleicher, met their end in the Night of the Long Knives of June 1934. This was a time of realisation for the German elite, as Malinowski says: “Now they understood that this monster they had helped create had come to a Frankenstein moment where it could no longer be tamed, and was redirecting its violence against its own creators.”

- UK settles WWII debts to allies -

- Britain needed money for reconstruction and importing food -

- Britain will settle its World War II debts to the US and Canada when it pays two final instalments before the close of 2006, the Treasury has said.
The payments of $83.25m (£42.5m) to the US and US$22.7m (£11.6m) to Canada are the last of 50 instalments since 1950.

The amount paid back is nearly double that loaned in 1945 and 1946. "This week we finally honour in full our commitments to the US and Canada for the support they gave us 60 years ago," said Treasury Minister Ed Balls.
"It was vital support which helped Britain defeat Nazi Germany and secure peace and prosperity in the post-war period. We honour our commitments to them now as they honoured their commitments to us all those years ago,"

Under the lend-lease programme, which began in March 1941, the then neutral US could provide countries fighting Adolf Hitler with war material.

The US joined the war soon after - in the wake of the attack on Pearl Harbour - and the programme ended in 1945.

Equipment left over in Britain at the end of hostilities and still needed had to be paid for.

The US loaned $4.33bn (£2.2bn) to Britain in 1945, while Canada loaned US$1.19 bn (£607m) in 1946, at a rate of 2% annual interest.

Upon the final payments, the UK will have paid back a total of $7.5bn (£3.8bn) to the US and US$2 bn (£1bn) to Canada.

Despite the favourable rates there were six years in which Britain deferred payment because of economic or political crises.

There are still World War I debts owed to and by Britain. Since a moratorium on all debts from that conflict was agreed at the height of the Great Depression, no repayments have been made to or received from other nations since 1934.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6215847.stm

* So ya - WW2 got us Brits into deep debt - that me and my relatives have been paying off ever since - via taxes - all my Grandpa got out of it was some shrapnel in his body - and a bad case of PTSD from fighting the Nazi's - and what my Grandma got out of it - was a very badly injured husband - and the absolute terror of a V1 (Doodlebug) flying bomb landing in Guilders Road - one road away from her road - which shattered her windows and door frames and roof - leaving cracks and painted over splinters - which I would ask her about in the 1960's - the RAF only managed to 'tip' a few V1's - but the barrage balloons and anti-aircraft fire - took out many -

''The people of Britain called the V1 missiles ‘Buzz Bombs’ or ‘Doodlebugs’. The first was dropped at Swanscombe in Kent on 13 June 1944 and the last one at Orpington in Kent on 27 March 1945. During that time, 6,725 were launched at Britain. Of these, 2,340 hit London, causing 5,475 deaths, with 16,000 injured. Three lines of defence were put in place against the missiles: fighter planes over the English coast, anti-aircraft batteries in Kent and barrage balloons around London. These were successful in destroying 3,500 V1 missiles.

V2 rockets were first launched against England in September 1944. Over the next few months, nearly 1,400 struck London. They were less accurate than V1 missiles, but since they travelled at the speed of sound, and so made no warning noise before impact, it was almost impossible to defend against them.

The Royal Air Force began bombing the launch sites in 1944. The threat from these weapons ended in 1945 as the British army and their allies advanced across France, Belgium and Holland, capturing the launch sites.''

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/british-response-v1-and-v2/

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- HITLERS SECRET BACKERS - interesting book - about Nazi finances -

This book was originally published in 1933 under the title THE FINANCIAL SOURCES OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM. It's author, "Sidney Warburg" is believed to be a pseudonym for James Warburg, an American banker and son of Paul Warburg, Secretary of State under Wilson. The book remained on the shelf for a very short time and was declared a forgery by the Warburg family. Others believe it to be a true and tragic tale of a man caught up in a world whose treachery he despised. Indeed, he introduces himself as being a "cowardly instrument" of American banking colleagues.

The book was again published in 1983 under the present title. It begins with the "hell" of the 1929 stock market crash and the attempts by Wall Street to restore economic stability, not only to the United States, but to the world as a whole. The bankers concluded that a prosperous Germany was necessary, but was hindered by the French, who had been "favored" by the Versailles Treaty imposed by Woodrow Wilson following World War 1. France refused to negotiate, maintaining its favored position of making its reparations to Germany as reduced as possible. It was decided by Wall Street that a "revolution" was in order, and "this man Hitler" might just be the person with which to meet. As Mr. Warburg spoke flawless German, he would be the man for the job.

The meeting took place without Hitler knowing his contact person was Jewish. The thought "crossed his mind, but he didn't ask." His first meeting with Hitler "made a "singular impression" on him. His confused rambling centered on the plights of the unemployed and the general poverty of the people. It was not helped by the "swindling of Jewish banks" and the general corruption of the German leaders. Mr. Warburg, after consultation with "New York" agreed to accommodate Hitler's request for one hundred million marks. The stipulations of this gift was that "an aggressive foreign policy towards France" be pursued. He also was expected to asked Hitler how much money he would need to pursue a revolution in Germany.

The author digresses here to discuss international finances. It seemed that in 1931 the Bank of England gave up the gold standard. This led to further fears of weakening markets, particularly if England cooperated with France. The French financiers were described as "the most clever of manipulators." They negotiated with "New York" and the Federal Reserve, making a bargain strengthening their position. In October of 1931, a tense Wall Street was once again contacted by Hitler. He needed a great deal of money. It was the consensus of Wall Street to once again send Mr. Warburg to Germany. There the author mentions a conversation with a Jewish banker who was supportive of Hitler. The banker went on to say -

- "By Jews, Hitler means Galician Jews who polluted Germany after the war. He recognizes Jews of pure German origin as equal to other Germans, and when the time comes, he will not bother us in any way. Also you must not forget that Jews control both the Social Democratic Party and the Communist Party. He will have to win these over, not because they are Jews, but because they are Communists or Social Democrats." - * note Hitler's personal Doctor - Eduard Bloch - was Jewish - German Jewish - and so were the Warburg's and Schiff's -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduard_Bloch - * Great read on AH's family doctor -

Mr. Warburg became increasingly convinced that Hitler wanted to achieve a goal supported by the majority of the German people. Once again, the two men met. This time Hitler expressed triumph in his work with the unemployed. He expressed that a great deal more money was needed for the military, and that within two years, France would be surrounded by German armies. He also stressed his concern of Stalin who he felt was gaining the support of the Russian people. Again he stated that unemployment would no longer be a problem after one year. However, it appeared that Hitler was becoming increasingly more disorganized in his thinking and making frequent contradictions. Once again, he stressed the need for more money. He discussed revolution to gain power in Germany. Much money would have to go to the unemployed. He asked for five hundred million marks.

"You people there in America must be interested in our party coming to power in Germany, otherwise you wouldn't be here and ten million dollars would never have been given to me in 1929." At this point Hitler was screaming and rambling. Mr. Warburg had "had enough." He did however, phone New York and was informed that the five hundred million requested marks were "out of the question. Fifteen million dollars was the maximum." Hitler accepted. Wall Street reiterated again that "an aggressive foreign policy be pursued."

I shall not go on with further conversations. Hitler's fanaticism grew, unable to forget World War 1 when Germany was broken as a people, the result of a broken economic life.
There were more requests for money. It was explained to him that his next request of twenty-five million marks would disturb the stock market. He was given seven million dollars. At this time he was dictator of the largest European country. The author now knew that his extreme rages and rantings would lead to nothing good. At this point he said, "The world continues to suffer under a system that has to bow to a Hitler to keep itself on its feet."

It is sad to note the disturbed Hitler appeared only to care about helping the unemployed. He was equally concerned about Jewish Bolshevism, a movement begun in Russia. It was now threatening the German state and "threatening to to destroy the existence of Christianity." One gets the distinct impression that his mission to help the unemployed and preserve Christianity was seriously undermined by American banking interests.

"Poor world, Poor humanity."

Operating within a financial system of which he was a part appeared to be a personal tragedy to the author, as well as for the world. He was unable to reconcile himself to that which he had done. This short book is nothing short of a confession and personal apology.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hitlers-Secret-Backers-Sidney-Warburg/dp/B072ZHBVLP
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wall-Stree...&sprefix=anthony+sutton,stripbooks,180&sr=1-3

- Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler: The Astonishing True Story of the American Financiers Who Bankrolled the Nazis -

The contribution made by American capitalism to German war preparations can only be described as phenomenal. It was certainly crucial to German military capabilities... Not only was an influential sector of American business aware of the nature of Nazism, but for its own purposes aided Nazism wherever possible (and profitable) - with full knowledge that the probable outcome would be war involving Europe and the United States.’

Penetrating a cloak of falsehood, deception and duplicity, Professor Antony C. Sutton reveals one of the most remarkable but unreported facts of the Second World War: that key Wall Street banks and American businesses supported Hitler’s rise to power by financing and trading with Nazi Germany. Carefully tracing this closely guarded secret through original documents and eyewitness accounts, Sutton comes to the unsavoury conclusion that the catastrophic Second World War was extremely profitable for a select group of financial insiders. He presents a thoroughly documented account of the role played by J.P. Morgan, T.W. Lamont, the Rockefeller interests, General Electric Company, Standard Oil, National City Bank, Chase and Manhattan banks, Kuhn, Loeb and Company, General Motors, the Ford Motor Company, and scores of others in helping to prepare the bloodiest, most destructive war in history.

This classic study, first published in 1976 - the third volume of a trilogy - is reproduced here in its original form. (The other volumes in the series study the 1917 Lenin-Trotsky Revolution in Russia and the 1933 election of Franklin D. Roosevelt in the United States.)


* Hmm - ya - lots there to take on-board - and as I've always said - FOLLOW THE MONEY! - and ehhh - a Question: What has been 'The Greatest Conspiracy of All?' - covered up - until someone actually digs it up - and boyo! - doesnt it smell bad eh? -

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- Back on the plan - there does seem to be rather a lot out there - on Coudenhove-Kalergi and his plans - must have spiked much interest from when I initially started researching this very interesting character - some years ago - I would say he was a KEY player in the formation of the European Union - and to many his plans resonated - and still do -

* 5 of my kids are of mixed race - and show much hybrid vigour because of it - but for sure - enforced mass immigration like we have seen and still are seeing - creating cultural ethnocide in many areas - is not right/fair - where one invasive ethnicity/cultural group is imposed upon another en masse - and does not integrate with the local culture - they do not even respect local laws - but try to dominate the society with their own - crime and attacks committed against the locals increases - because the invasive culture/religion does not respect local people - laws and customs - because they are 'unbelievers ' - in the religion - laws - and customs - of a supremacist - totalitarian ideology -

- Most indigenous people will just move away from the invaded territory - for a quite life - if they can afford to - so breaking up their once vibrant communities - and fractionating what was once good and whole - those who leave hoping to find a sense of community with strangers - where ever they may go -

''Moreover, as I’ve noted on several occasions, the point of jihad is to spread sharia, the Islamic legal system whose installation is the necessary precondition to creating an Islamic society. That need not be done by violent means. In fact, the Muslim Brotherhood, the world’s most influential Islamist organization, maintains that America and Europe will be “conquered” not by violence but by dawa* – the proselytism of Islam by non-violent (or, more accurate, pre-violent) means, such as infiltration of our institutions. Spencer calls this phenomenon “stealth jihad.”

Consequently, one can be an Islamist without engaging in violent jihad, which is precisely the case with the vast majority of Islamists. The fact that they are not terrorists does not mean — as we wish it would mean — that they are not extremists. While they abstain from the use of force (particularly against other Muslims), staggering majorities of Muslims throughout the world favor the implementation and strict application of sharia. Andrew Bostom’s essay demonstrates this, citing polling done in 2009 by World Public Opinion in conjunction with the University of Maryland.

Back in 1954, Lewis recalled “the political history of Islam” as “one of almost unrelieved autocracy” that was “authoritarian, often arbitrary, [and] sometimes tyrannical.” Besides this, the most interesting part of his essay is its focus on “certain uncomfortable resemblances” between “the Ulama of Islam” and “the Communist Party.” Though “very different” in some ways, the two, he stated, “profess a totalitarian doctrine, with complete and final answers to all questions on heaven and earth.”''

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2010/10/20/who-says-islam-is-totalitarian/

 

[Microbeman]

- Yes - it is true that Henry Ford was a huge supporter of Hitler - also Prescott Bush - (The Bush Clan and Skull and Bones secret society at Yale University) - was working on helping the Nazi's industrial capabilities until 1941/2 - Standard Oil too and others -

- But for the money - (no-money-no-honey - no tanks - no planes - no bullets - no bombs etc) - Hitler went to the Zionists within his own Reichsbank to find the funds to create the 3rd Reich - and Max Warberg - who served on the board of the German Reichsbank under governor Hjalmar Schacht - didn't even leave Germany till 1938 long after Hitler came to power - This same group of VERY powerful Zionist bankers via Roosevelt and The Federal Reserve Bank - also supplied Russia with $180 billion (in todays money): and Britain with billions of dollars and equipment - via 'Lend-Lease' -

Even before the United States entered World War II in December 1941, America sent arms and equipment to the Soviet Union to help it defeat the Nazi invasion. Totalling $11.3 billion, or $180 billion in today’s currency, the Lend-Lease Act of the United States supplied needed goods to the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1945 in support of what Stalin described to Roosevelt as the “enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy — bloodthirsty Hitlerism.”

400,000 jeeps & trucks
14,000 airplanes
8,000 tractors
13,000 tanks
1.5 million blankets
15 million pairs of army boots
107,000 tons of cotton
2.7 million tons of petrol products
4.5 million tons of food

https://ru.usembassy.gov/world-war-ii-allies-u-s-lend-lease-to-the-soviet-union-1941-1945/




- UK settles WWII debts to allies -

- Britain needed money for reconstruction and importing food -

- Britain will settle its World War II debts to the US and Canada when it pays two final instalments before the close of 2006, the Treasury has said.
The payments of $83.25m (£42.5m) to the US and US$22.7m (£11.6m) to Canada are the last of 50 instalments since 1950.

The amount paid back is nearly double that loaned in 1945 and 1946. "This week we finally honour in full our commitments to the US and Canada for the support they gave us 60 years ago," said Treasury Minister Ed Balls.
"It was vital support which helped Britain defeat Nazi Germany and secure peace and prosperity in the post-war period. We honour our commitments to them now as they honoured their commitments to us all those years ago,"

Under the lend-lease programme, which began in March 1941, the then neutral US could provide countries fighting Adolf Hitler with war material.

The US joined the war soon after - in the wake of the attack on Pearl Harbour - and the programme ended in 1945.

Equipment left over in Britain at the end of hostilities and still needed had to be paid for.

The US loaned $4.33bn (£2.2bn) to Britain in 1945, while Canada loaned US$1.19 bn (£607m) in 1946, at a rate of 2% annual interest.

Upon the final payments, the UK will have paid back a total of $7.5bn (£3.8bn) to the US and US$2 bn (£1bn) to Canada.

Despite the favourable rates there were six years in which Britain deferred payment because of economic or political crises.

There are still World War I debts owed to and by Britain. Since a moratorium on all debts from that conflict was agreed at the height of the Great Depression, no repayments have been made to or received from other nations since 1934.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6215847.stm

* So ya - WW2 got us Brits into deep debt - that me and my relatives have been paying off ever since - via taxes - all my Grandpa got out of it was some shrapnel in his body - and a bad case of PTSD from fighting the Nazi's - and what my Grandma got out of it - was a very badly injured husband - and the absolute terror of a V1 (Doodlebug) flying bomb landing in Guilders Road - one road away from her road - which shattered her windows and door frames and roof - leaving cracks and painted over splinters - which I would ask her about in the 1960's - the RAF only managed to 'tip' a few V1's - but the barrage balloons and anti-aircraft fire - took out many -

''The people of Britain called the V1 missiles ‘Buzz Bombs’ or ‘Doodlebugs’. The first was dropped at Swanscombe in Kent on 13 June 1944 and the last one at Orpington in Kent on 27 March 1945. During that time, 6,725 were launched at Britain. Of these, 2,340 hit London, causing 5,475 deaths, with 16,000 injured. Three lines of defence were put in place against the missiles: fighter planes over the English coast, anti-aircraft batteries in Kent and barrage balloons around London. These were successful in destroying 3,500 V1 missiles.

V2 rockets were first launched against England in September 1944. Over the next few months, nearly 1,400 struck London. They were less accurate than V1 missiles, but since they travelled at the speed of sound, and so made no warning noise before impact, it was almost impossible to defend against them.

The Royal Air Force began bombing the launch sites in 1944. The threat from these weapons ended in 1945 as the British army and their allies advanced across France, Belgium and Holland, capturing the launch sites.''

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https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/british-response-v1-and-v2/

https://skiesmag.com/news/acesofmalta/

In the summer of 1942, Malta, a small island just 80 kilometres south of Sicily in the Mediterranean Sea, was the most bombed place on earth......

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

https://skiesmag.com/news/acesofmalta/

In the summer of 1942, Malta, a small island just 80 kilometres south of Sicily in the Mediterranean Sea, was the most bombed place on earth......

- R.A.F. Lancaster Bomber - with 2 Spitfires -

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/dec/17/where-world-most-war-damaged-city

- Interesting read on what cities got the most bombs Microbeman -

''Perhaps surprisingly, though, the city that suffered the most war damage – in terms of the percentage of buildings destroyed – is the German city of Jülich. Built on a crossing of the River Ruhr in what is now the state of North Rhine-Westphalia, Jülich was considered one of the main obstacles to the Allies’ plan to occupy the Rhineland.

Not wishing to take any risks, the Allies bombed the city on 16 November 1944 and destroyed 97% of it. The remaining 3% was smashed during three months of fighting that ended on 23 February 1945, when the Allies finally managed to cross the Ruhr.

After the second world war, it was initially planned that Jülich be abandoned and its ruins – which in aerial photography greatly resembled the centre of Hiroshima – be retained as a war memorial. A new city was to be built nearby. However, in 1949 the rebuilding of Jülich began, using a street plan that had been drawn up in the 1930s and which modified the original Renaissance plan. Essential work was completed in 1956 and today the city shows hardly any signs of being war-damaged, although craters have been deliberately retained in the citadel and nearby woods.''

*They don't say much about Dresden nor Hamburg - where they had HUGE firestorms - after incendiaries were dropped purposefully to ignite the rubble from the buildings that earlier bombs had smashed apart -

 

[tobedetermined]

In the summer of 1942, Malta, a small island just 80 kilometres south of Sicily in the Mediterranean Sea, was the most bombed place on earth......

From my father's memoirs:

"Even besieged Malta displayed a desperate sort of bravado during the blitz. The whiskey had mainly run out by Christmas of 1941, and the only brewery was bombed out at the same time. The infamous Valetta Gut continued to function with wines and liqueurs. A sort of lasting image of the Gut at that time is that of the bar girls, in a brief respite between raids, singing happily:

“Air raid warning,
raiders pass,
All the Air Force,
kiss my ass.” "

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

From my father's memoirs:

"Even besieged Malta displayed a desperate sort of bravado during the blitz. The whiskey had mainly run out by Christmas of 1941, and the only brewery was bombed out at the same time. The infamous Valetta Gut continued to function with wines and liqueurs. A sort of lasting image of the Gut at that time is that of the bar girls, in a brief respite between raids, singing happily:

“Air raid warning,
raiders pass,
All the Air Force,
kiss my ass.” "

- Yes interesting - and must be great to be able to use your Dads words tobedetermined - recently I did watch a documentary on how heavily the Nazi's and the Italians bombed Malta in WW2 - and it was pretty nasty - so many Luftwaffe missions over Malta - but they never invaded and took the place over - it stayed British - and had a big submarine base there - that had subs patrolling out west as far as Gibraltar- and all over the Mediterranean - also a flying boat base with Sunderland's - here's a bit I found about it -

General view of HMS TALBOT, submarine base at Malta.

Before the outbreak of war, the Admiralty saw Malta as a base for submarines and other forces able to attack the Italian supply lines supporting their forces in North Africa. Yet, the battle was far from one-sided and within three days of Italy entering the war on 10 June 1940, three British submarines, Grampus, Odin and Orpheus, had been sunk by Italian warships. As the bombing of Malta intensified, submarines in port had to lie submerged on the harbour bed in the hope of being missed.

In 1941 Malta became an operational base for submarines. This was not without difficulty as most of the necessary supplies had been taken to Alexandria, but submarines operating from Gibraltar to Malta overloaded with torpedoes and other supplies until stocks were built up. The use of Malta as an offensive base was helped by the introduction of the new U-class submarines, smaller than many of the other classes but ideal for the clear waters of the Mediterranean in which, all too often, sonar is not needed to spot a submerged submarine.

These clear waters often proved fatal for larger submarines, but the U-class was better suited to the conditions, although the class had had its origins in plans for a smaller training submarine. Nine of the U-class were deployed to Malta as the 10th Submarine Flotilla: Undaunted, Union, Upholder, Upright, Utmost, Unique, Urge, Ursula and Usk. Usk and Undaunted did not survive long, but their place was soon taken by others of the same class. In addition to attacking Axis convoys and warships, these submarines were also ideal for landing raiding parties on the Italian coast and on one occasion wrecked a railway line along which trains carrying munitions for the Luftwaffe bases in Sicily travelled.

The submarines were based at Manoel Island, which lay in the Marsamxett Harbour and was approached by a causeway off the main road from Valletta to Sliema, the island effectively dividing Sliema Creek from Lazaretto Creek. Originally a fort designed to cover the outskirts of Valletta which towered over the other side of the harbour, Manoel Island became a naval base with workshops and accommodation for resting submariners and for artificers, the Royal Navy’s term for skilled tradesmen, who were often senior ratings. The submarines were moored alongside. Substantial anti-aircraft defences were placed on Manoel Island, as being on the opposite side of Valletta from the Grand Harbour did not spare the base from heavy aerial attack.

* much more here - https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2020/05/19/the-malta-submarines/

 

[tobedetermined]

Gypsy

From his log, my father arrived in Malta (he was navigator/wireless op in a Wellington bomber) on Nov 13,1941. Portneath>Gilbralter>Malta after a run-in with 6 Italian fighters (CR-42's) over the Med. One Wellington in their formation was shot down. By Feb '42 he was flying out of desert bases in Egypt attached to the RAF 37 Squadron.

I will PM you his summary of Luqa Airfield in Malta.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Gypsy

From his log, my father arrived in Malta (he was navigator/wireless op in a Wellington bomber) on Nov 13,1941. Portneath>Gilbralter>Malta after a run-in with 6 Italian fighters (CR-42's) over the Med. One Wellington in their formation was shot down. By Feb '42 he was flying out of desert bases in Egypt attached to the RAF 37 Squadron.

I will PM you his summary of Luqa Airfield in Malta.

- Yup - interesting stuff - The Battle of Malta was more like a siege than I first thought - the Luftwaffe - The Kriegsmarine - and all the combined Italian armed forces were aimed at destroying and then probably invading Malta - because it stood in such a crucially strategically important geographical location between mainland Europe and Africa -

- The CR42 Fighters did see quite a bit of action - they were even involved in The Battle of Britain - but although very manoeuvrable - they didn't have the power of the Rolls Royce Merlin engines in the Spitfire's and Hurricane's - so were not very successful against them at all - bi-planes against single fixed wing planes - was proving to be no-contest -

* a squadron of Italian CR42's - Benina Libya

The epic air battle of Malta
https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/The-epic-air-battle-of-Malta.618381

wiki link to 37th Squadron - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._37_Squadron_RAF
wiki link to 38th Squadron - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._38_Squadron_RAF

- The 38th Bomber Squadron of the RAF had Wellington's stationed and operating out of Malta during WW2 - here's a pic loading torpedo's for a ship/sub sinking mission -

- From January 1943 to December 1944, the squadron was engaged in mine laying, reconnaissance duties and anti-submarine patrols with detachments in Malta, along the Western Desert and in Palestine. No. 38 squadron was equipped with Wellington Mk VIIs with ASV radar (these aircraft became known as 'Goofingtons') and flew hunter-killer teams; the first success in this role occurred on 26 August, when a tanker was found, torpedoed and sunk. On 2 February 1944 Wellington MP582 piloted by Flying Officer Parkes attacked shipping in the Aegean Sea using 4 x500lb bomb one direct hit, ship set on fire. -

* - and - Malta: War Diary
STORY OF A GEORGE CROSS.

https://maltagc70.wordpress.com/tag/38-squadron/

** pic of model of Short Sunderland Flying Boat - being serviced at the dock in Malta -

 

[tobedetermined]

"In November of 1941 we picked up a brand new Wellington Ic, and departed for the Middle East where the desert war was gaining momentum. This aeroplane had a British Marconi 1154-55 transmitter and receiver combination, with a crude radio compass. We still used interrupted continuous wave (Morse) for all of our communications, but the set was a considerable improvement over the previous 1082-83 even though both sets lacked precise crystal tuning. The unreliable TR-9 was supposed to provide short range voice communication. Over Britain they were mainly useful for listening out for barrage balloon squeakers.

We arrived in Gibraltar just as Ark Royal was sinking a short distance outside the mooring area. All of her sailors were rescued, and many of her Swordfish were flown to Gib. The next morning we departed for Malta about 1,000 miles away. We were leading a vic of three. All went well until we reached a position south of Pantalleria where we were intercepted by six Italian CR. 42s. We went down to sea level and turned south, to lead them farther away from their presumed base. They formed a counter clockwise endless circle behind us and raked our formation with their .5 inch synchronized guns. We could not use our front turrets or even the beam guns in this situation. From the astro hatch I had the best view of all, and I remember the ridiculous thought that "Gee. This is just like Hell's Angels." Biplane fighters and the sparkle of synchronized guns firing through the props. All that was missing was the late Jean Harlow.

Vic Walklyn, our rear gunner, got one, and he turned north emitting heavy smoke. The others continued their attack and a lucky shot knocked out the starboard engine of Sgt. Barlow's Wellington, which was in tight formation on our port side. The prop assembly came off, and Barlow had to ditch almost immediately. We were coming into scattered low cloud at this point, but we were able to circle and see that all six crewmen had got into their dinghy. The remaining Italians broke off at this point, too; probably low on fuel with a long way to go home.

We were very much out of our element with unescorted Wellingtons in daylight, as had been proven two years earlier in the North Sea port and shipping raids. I think, too, that we were the very last of the Delivery Flight Wellingtons to fly down the Mediterranean in daylight. We had obviously been spotted the moment we left Gib, and had probably been monitored all the way to the ambush.

I was in communication with Malta all the way in, and actually had to land with my trailing aerial out because I was still working the ground station and they didn't even know we were landing.

Amazingly, from our altitude of some 100 feet, Birdlip in faraway England was the first to answer the distress call I sent. The other stations in the HF/DF chain all came in right after. The Navy sent a Swordfish out from Malta to the reported position and they found the dinghy without difficulty. The RAF sent out its high speed rescue launch and picked the crew up that night. Bert Cameron, the front gunner, was painfully but not seriously injured. Because of the fluorescent dye around the dinghy, the boy's uniforms were a brilliant yellow every time it rained for the next two months. New uniforms, and just about everything else, were scarce in Malta at that time.

Unfortunately, we lost our new aircraft to bombing in Malta."

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- Excellent tobedetermined! - great to hear about your Dad's life back then as a radio operator on a Wellington Bomber of the 37th Squadron of the R.A.F. - here are some other 37th Squadron facts -

No.37 Squadron had been reformed in 1937 as a heavy bomber squadron equipped with the Harrow bomber. It received more modern aircraft, in the shape of the Vickers Wellington I on May 1939, giving the squadron just over three months to get used to the new aircraft.

The squadron went into action seven hours after the British ultimatum to Germany expired, flying a sweep over Heligoland Bight. Heavy loses soon forced Bomber Command to abandon this sort of daylight raid, and the squadron became a night bomber unit.

* above Wellington Bombers of the 37th Squadron (R.A.F.) over Libya -

In November 1940 the squadron was transferred to Egypt, via Malta, from where it carried out a number of sorties. Once in Egypt the squadron took part in the campaign in the western desert, supporting the Eighth Army against Rommel and the Afrika Korps. It also took part in the suppression of the Iraqi revolt and sent a detachment to Greece (March 1941).

In 1943 the squadron took part in the Allied advance, moving to Libya in February and to Tunisia in May. This allowed its bombers to range further across occupied Europe. Finally in December 1943 the squadron moved to Italy, staying at Tortorella from 29 December 1943 until 2 October 1945. While in Italy the Wellingtons were finally replaced with Liberator VIs. From its base in Italy the squadron attacked targets in Italy, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Bulgaria and Albania, as well as dropping supplies to the Yugoslav partisans. The squadron also took part in Allied operations to mine the Danube, blocking it to Axis shipping.

Aircraft

May 1939-November 1939: Vickers Wellington I
September 1939-October 1940: Vickers Wellington IA
October 1940-March 1943: Vickers Wellington IC
March 1943-April 1943: Vickers Wellington III
March 1944-December 1944: Vickers Wellington X
October 1944-March 1946: Consolidated Liberator VI

Location

26 April 1937-30 November 1940: Feltwell
8-14 November: Malta while in transit
30 November-17 December 1940: Fayid
17 December 1940-25 April 1942: Shallufa
March 1941: Detachment sent to Greece
25 April-27 June 1942: LG.09
27-29 June 1942: LG.224
29 June-6 November 1942: Abu Sueir
6-13 November 1942: LG.224
13-30 November 1942: LG.106
30 November 1942-23 January 1943: LG. 140
23 January-14 February 1943: El Magrun
14-25 February 1943: Gardabia East (Libya)
25 February-30 May 1943: Gabdabia West
30 May-15 November 1943: Kairouan/ Temmar(Tunisia)
15 November-14 December 1943: Djedeida
14-29 December 1943: Cerignola (Italy)
29 December 1943-2 October 1945: Tortorella

Group and Duty

26 September 1939-Novmber 1940: Bomber squadron with No. 3 Group
November 1940-December 1943: Bomber squadron, North Africa
December 1943-1945: Italy

"In November of 1941 we picked up a brand new Wellington Ic, and departed for the Middle East where the desert war was gaining momentum. This aeroplane had a British Marconi 1154-55 transmitter and receiver combination, with a crude radio compass. We still used interrupted continuous wave (Morse) for all of our communications, but the set was a considerable improvement over the previous 1082-83 even though both sets lacked precise crystal tuning. The unreliable TR-9 was supposed to provide short range voice communication. Over Britain they were mainly useful for listening out for barrage balloon squeakers.

We arrived in Gibraltar just as Ark Royal was sinking a short distance outside the mooring area. All of her sailors were rescued, and many of her Swordfish were flown to Gib. The next morning we departed for Malta about 1,000 miles away. We were leading a vic of three. All went well until we reached a position south of Pantalleria where we were intercepted by six Italian CR. 42s. We went down to sea level and turned south, to lead them farther away from their presumed base. They formed a counter clockwise endless circle behind us and raked our formation with their .5 inch synchronized guns. We could not use our front turrets or even the beam guns in this situation. From the astro hatch I had the best view of all, and I remember the ridiculous thought that "Gee. This is just like Hell's Angels." Biplane fighters and the sparkle of synchronized guns firing through the props. All that was missing was the late Jean Harlow.

Vic Walklyn, our rear gunner, got one, and he turned north emitting heavy smoke. The others continued their attack and a lucky shot knocked out the starboard engine of Sgt. Barlow's Wellington, which was in tight formation on our port side. The prop assembly came off, and Barlow had to ditch almost immediately. We were coming into scattered low cloud at this point, but we were able to circle and see that all six crewmen had got into their dinghy. The remaining Italians broke off at this point, too; probably low on fuel with a long way to go home.

We were very much out of our element with unescorted Wellingtons in daylight, as had been proven two years earlier in the North Sea port and shipping raids. I think, too, that we were the very last of the Delivery Flight Wellingtons to fly down the Mediterranean in daylight. We had obviously been spotted the moment we left Gib, and had probably been monitored all the way to the ambush.

I was in communication with Malta all the way in, and actually had to land with my trailing aerial out because I was still working the ground station and they didn't even know we were landing.

Amazingly, from our altitude of some 100 feet, Birdlip in faraway England was the first to answer the distress call I sent. The other stations in the HF/DF chain all came in right after. The Navy sent a Swordfish out from Malta to the reported position and they found the dinghy without difficulty. The RAF sent out its high speed rescue launch and picked the crew up that night. Bert Cameron, the front gunner, was painfully but not seriously injured. Because of the fluorescent dye around the dinghy, the boy's uniforms were a brilliant yellow every time it rained for the next two months. New uniforms, and just about everything else, were scarce in Malta at that time.

Unfortunately, we lost our new aircraft to bombing in Malta."

 

[tobedetermined]

- Excellent tobedetermined! - great to hear about your Dad's life back then as a radio operator on a Wellington Bomber of the 37th Squadron of the R.A.F. - here are some other 37th Squadron facts -

I know a lot of guys have WW2 interest, so should I start my own thread & post some more?

He flew 40 ops in Europe & the ME in 1941 & 1942 when the survival rate for bomber crews was pretty pitiful.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

I know a lot of guys have WW2 interest, so should I start my own thread & post some more?

He flew 40 ops in Europe & the ME in 1941 & 1942 when the survival rate for bomber crews was pretty pitiful.

- Yes - for sure - do start a WW2 thread - for all of us who are interested - bound to be a few more 'History-Heads' around tobedetermind - and many of us will have relatives that fought and died - or returned intact even - from WW2 - with stories to tell -

- I think it was around half the RAF bomber crews in WW2 that never made it home - so many lost - below on the ground - under the bombs that were dropped - and so many lost in the air too - I hope we never have to go thru what they had to do -

Savoia Marchetti SM 79 Sparviero in volo - Italian WW2 Bomber -

 

[Microbeman]

"In November of 1941 we picked up a brand new Wellington Ic, and departed for the Middle East where the desert war was gaining momentum. This aeroplane had a British Marconi 1154-55 transmitter and receiver combination, with a crude radio compass. We still used interrupted continuous wave (Morse) for all of our communications, but the set was a considerable improvement over the previous 1082-83 even though both sets lacked precise crystal tuning. The unreliable TR-9 was supposed to provide short range voice communication. Over Britain they were mainly useful for listening out for barrage balloon squeakers.

We arrived in Gibraltar just as Ark Royal was sinking a short distance outside the mooring area. All of her sailors were rescued, and many of her Swordfish were flown to Gib. The next morning we departed for Malta about 1,000 miles away. We were leading a vic of three. All went well until we reached a position south of Pantalleria where we were intercepted by six Italian CR. 42s. We went down to sea level and turned south, to lead them farther away from their presumed base. They formed a counter clockwise endless circle behind us and raked our formation with their .5 inch synchronized guns. We could not use our front turrets or even the beam guns in this situation. From the astro hatch I had the best view of all, and I remember the ridiculous thought that "Gee. This is just like Hell's Angels." Biplane fighters and the sparkle of synchronized guns firing through the props. All that was missing was the late Jean Harlow.

Vic Walklyn, our rear gunner, got one, and he turned north emitting heavy smoke. The others continued their attack and a lucky shot knocked out the starboard engine of Sgt. Barlow's Wellington, which was in tight formation on our port side. The prop assembly came off, and Barlow had to ditch almost immediately. We were coming into scattered low cloud at this point, but we were able to circle and see that all six crewmen had got into their dinghy. The remaining Italians broke off at this point, too; probably low on fuel with a long way to go home.

We were very much out of our element with unescorted Wellingtons in daylight, as had been proven two years earlier in the North Sea port and shipping raids. I think, too, that we were the very last of the Delivery Flight Wellingtons to fly down the Mediterranean in daylight. We had obviously been spotted the moment we left Gib, and had probably been monitored all the way to the ambush.

I was in communication with Malta all the way in, and actually had to land with my trailing aerial out because I was still working the ground station and they didn't even know we were landing.

Amazingly, from our altitude of some 100 feet, Birdlip in faraway England was the first to answer the distress call I sent. The other stations in the HF/DF chain all came in right after. The Navy sent a Swordfish out from Malta to the reported position and they found the dinghy without difficulty. The RAF sent out its high speed rescue launch and picked the crew up that night. Bert Cameron, the front gunner, was painfully but not seriously injured. Because of the fluorescent dye around the dinghy, the boy's uniforms were a brilliant yellow every time it rained for the next two months. New uniforms, and just about everything else, were scarce in Malta at that time.

Unfortunately, we lost our new aircraft to bombing in Malta."

My roommate and dear friend who was a Malta Ace; not his ride, he just hopped in for the photo.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

- Ahh - where were we? - kinda spun off there to Malta during WW2 for a while - nice to give some light on what becomes of vast financial agenda's - that propel the masses - the proletariat - the middle and lower classes - to go to war and murder each other - while the organizers and financiers of these 'events' sit in the very best hotel suites - or at home with the family watching all of their plans become reality - as they become even more exceedingly wealthy and powerful at the same time -

- Like young boys gleefully playing tin soldiers - they upgrade the weapons of destruction they always profit from - and always profit from the upgrade - because now they are better able to cause more terror and destruction - with an ever more powerful arsenal - to kill and ruin more innocent people - who are totally un-aware that they are a part of this deeply terrible game of supremacy-conspiracy with an agenda to create and change history to favour their own aims - with this now regular cull of humanity - which includes - slavery and conquest of the spiritual mind and the physical body - culture - land and tradition - in the now and the here after (if there is such a thing) - is just about cyclical with regular war/proxy-wars planned and executed on such a regular basis - invading to secure very valuable natural resources - whilst displacing millions of people from their homes because they hope to escape the terror - directing them into becoming an unwitting army of the prophet at first - encouraging them to travel and settle in far off lands - where initially they will be received with happiness and support - welcome and joy - until they are of the numbers to turn on their benefactors and bite off the hand that fed them - and institute their own 'rule of law' - a totalitarian and fascistic anti-egalitarian dogma - that will set what we consider modern society back 500 years in social evolution - to the years of the reformation where public executions and torture - along with sanctioned lawful government barbarity - which was rife - along with the superstitious and violent laws and punishments towards 'blasphemy' - 'apostacy' - claimed 'infidelity' - and many other victimless crimes within a society far from secular - as it is today - that will be practiced and instituted upon us - because 'it is written?' -<doom and gloom church organ music>

- The spectre of the above ideas conjures up the concept of us having to go thru a social de-evolution of sorts - and start again thru days not dissimilar to when the world had The Spanish Inquisition - back in the middle-ages (1400's) - so is this where the great re-set will start from?

- Conspiracy? Our Subverted History, Part 1 - Setting the Stage -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOM2fT6tBFE&feature=youtu.be

* meme that makes you wonder -