Good info thx I will check it out Elmer. Too bad how bad blood is almost always the reason for some great ones being lost.
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Northern Lights #5
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How did your Classic NL turn out? I too grabbed a few packs from that sight, his Hashplant as well, and only got a male from the NL in the first few seeds I sprouted and he was very frosty but smelled of lemon? Like JTR lemon, super sweet but very lemony...not what I was expecting. I'm planning on popping more of the NL and some of the Hashplant, just wondering if your experience with the NL was similar to my limited experience...
Respect good sir...
I liked the Classic NL but it was a bit bland compared to the Peak NL. Not too much happening with the Classic high but it was not bad either. Sedative and calm but not much euphoria or stuff like that. Taste was standard I guess. I made a bunch of seeds from them so might try them later.
I had bad luck with the BCSC NL, lots of different phenos and none that were all that great. Had a dense nugged single cola girl that tasted alright but had a bland high. Had a sativa looking one with a better high, quite nice high really, but fluffy buds with skinny leaves. One that never produced any nugs to speak of and little frost. Was like smoking leaves and never matured. I am done with them, though I crossed a Godbud with the sativa pheno and will see if it has anything in the genetics.
I had bad luck with the JOTI Godbud, one lived and it was a male. Done with them too.
I have a few Peak NL going right now and will see what that brings. He had two different batches and this batch is a bit different than my previous from him. 'Work in progress' is how he describes his NL. The Peak NL has a bit more positive vibes to it than the other NL I have tried. Hard to describe.
I had bad luck with the BCSC NL, lots of different phenos and none that were all that great. Had a dense nugged single cola girl that tasted alright but had a bland high. Had a sativa looking one with a better high, quite nice high really, but fluffy buds with skinny leaves. One that never produced any nugs to speak of and little frost. Was like smoking leaves and never matured. I am done with them, though I crossed a Godbud with the sativa pheno and will see if it has anything in the genetics.
I had bad luck with the JOTI Godbud, one lived and it was a male. Done with them too.
I have a few Peak NL going right now and will see what that brings. He had two different batches and this batch is a bit different than my previous from him. 'Work in progress' is how he describes his NL. The Peak NL has a bit more positive vibes to it than the other NL I have tried. Hard to describe.
Thank you sir...makes me wonder if I got one of the bunk packs...or stumbled across a 1/million NL male, lol. I did hit a Chem cut with it....
Peak is one I've had my eye on, their whole catalogue looks pretty interesting tbh...
Thanks again.
Elmer, the Sea of Green technique was mid eighties and the bubble hash was mid nineties .... AFAIK
At least this side of the pond, I remember reading Ed R explaining shelf gardening SoG in a book in 1990 and seeing the technique in Holland, it was a few years later that we found ice hash just when it started in Holland (katsu)
G`day CC
Ice hash was discovered by beer makers long before the Stoners adopted it ...
Its a tech beer makers use to select hops . The most resinous hops are selected after an ice water bath .
Greg and his NL #5 cut went to A dam mid 80s . The cut transported in a terrarium . The other #s as seed . The #5 was his prized cut . Aff x Hawiian Bx .
Sunlight Supply was the shop where NL Greg learnt about SOG . He then taught it to Nevil .
Ed learnt SOG from Nevil .
Sunlight supply was also the source of the original affie seeds that were bred to make the Northern Light lines .
Thanks for sharin
EB .
Ice hash was discovered by beer makers long before the Stoners adopted it ...
Its a tech beer makers use to select hops . The most resinous hops are selected after an ice water bath .
Greg and his NL #5 cut went to A dam mid 80s . The cut transported in a terrarium . The other #s as seed . The #5 was his prized cut . Aff x Hawiian Bx .
Sunlight Supply was the shop where NL Greg learnt about SOG . He then taught it to Nevil .
Ed learnt SOG from Nevil .
Sunlight supply was also the source of the original affie seeds that were bred to make the Northern Light lines .
Thanks for sharin
EB .
Hey all
First five pics are SSSC NL (not sure of it's #), cut is still going around my neck of the woods after nearly a quarter century. Dank as dank can get!!!...low odour...I think not, straight up skunky cat piss!!! I love everything about her, fantastic plant! Unmistakable taste and high, still one of my favourites of all time!!!
The last two are a very sativa leaning (foxtails and all) Dr. Atomic NL5...no comparison whatsoever, low odour, very bland smoke.
Peace
BM
First five pics are SSSC NL (not sure of it's #), cut is still going around my neck of the woods after nearly a quarter century. Dank as dank can get!!!...low odour...I think not, straight up skunky cat piss!!! I love everything about her, fantastic plant! Unmistakable taste and high, still one of my favourites of all time!!!
The last two are a very sativa leaning (foxtails and all) Dr. Atomic NL5...no comparison whatsoever, low odour, very bland smoke.
Peace
BM
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Very interesting interview I heard about this very subject today on the Adam Dunn Show on livestream. The title of the link to the interview is "Organics, Organics, Organics."
Per the guy in the interview, NL#1 was partially grown out by the BOEL, then by a guy named herbie who developed it as well a guy named Greg. NL supposedly began as a cross between a "true Matanuska Thunderfuck and a Afghan from Mazar-I-Shariff" which was then also called Afghani or Kalghani Hash Bud. The MTF was being grown in Alaska and was supposedly a marriage between a "mutant sativa that was probably mixed with some sort of ruderalis." MTF was apparently a sativa/ruderalis cross that could finish in Alaska and it's progeny includes what we all now know as AK47. Nevil bred the NL seeds he got and categorized them numerically.
I'm not pimping Adam's show, but I just thought I'd let everyone here know. The guy mentions the NL story around 30 minutes into the interview. He also mentions "the indian" and some other stuff involving Nevil and Sensi Seeds. Listen to the whole thing because it's pretty cool too hear from someone who was there.
HB.
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Thanks a lot for that information and feedback, especially since I've thought the Dr Atomic NL was a pretty nice source for decent NL!
Shame that SSSC NL is gone and out of reach for most growers/breeders.
Vibes.
Thanks EB
I'm leaning towards the Basic #5, but purely speculation on my part...yup practically all my stabs at Dr. Atomic didn't produce anything that I was interested in...time to move on.
Peace
BM
MustaThanks a lot for that information and feedback, especially since I've thought the Dr Atomic NL was a pretty nice source for decent NL!
Shame that SSSC NL is gone and out of reach for most growers/breeders.
Vibes.
I thought so too brutha, over 40 seeds, never found anything 'remotely' close to the SSSC beauty....a 'true' classic in every sense of the word.
Cheers
BM
For what it's worth...Neville's Account (from MNS website):
"When I first got the Northern Lights varieties, there were 8 types, 1-8. They came with descriptions, which I published in my catalogue. These descriptions may not correlate with what later developed. The original intention was to purchase seeds from the U.S. NL growers. It didn't work out and supply dried up. I kept the lines separate and inbred them. NL1 and NL2 stabilized into distinct types and NL5 only produced one unique individual.
NL1 was a full blood Afghan indica. One thick main stem, dark green leaves, modest yield with nuggety buds, a little coarse with good resin production, which when ripe went golden. The high was narcotic. The seeds ranged from tiny to massive. I used to love the big ones. Large fat heavily and darkly mottled seeds. Selecting for these seeds made this Afghan even coarser. It was fun to show people these seeds. The best line of NL1 actually came from the smaller seeded types, better high and bud structure. There weren't many pure indica lines around in those days. Big Bud, Hash Plant and G13 were pure indicas in my estimation, but were cuttings. NL1 was the only good pure Afghani male line I had (there was Sam's Afghani#1, but that was toxic in a bad way). The NL2 was a Kush. I put the NL1 out there as a pure strain. I wasn't popular. People would tell me, "give me the pure strains", but if it cost them 10% of their yield they would complain, well ,try 50%. The pure indica hybrids were more popular. NL1 x HP and NL1 x G13 were the best. At least people could use the word pure (very popular). But they were good!
I expect that a lot of people holding what they believe to be pure indicas today, would find, if the truth be known, that the sire line traces back to NL1.
I did go to the States later and pick up the original U.S. NL5 mother and it was as it was described to me, part Thai. But my NL5 didn't seem to have any Thai influence. I spent a lot of time analyzing the NL lines, in particular the NL5.
I only saw evidence of two indica male lines in the NL series and that was NL1 and NL2. My best bet was that NL5 was a combination of NL1 male line and U.S. NL5 female. I guessed that NL5 was 50% NL2. Northern Lights 2x5 was the best that I could do staying within the line (pure NL).
Northern Lights changed the face of cannabis genetics (and many a smoker), but it was mostly through NL5. You've got to marvel at fate for dropping that one extreme plant into the lap of a budding seed breeder.
The NL 1-8 were seed lines and most were hybrids. A couple of years after getting the seed, I went to the U.S. to get the U.S. NL5 cutting. It didn't turn out to be as good or even that similar to my NL5".
Peace
BM
P.S. A few pics of one I did in my greenhouse (two weeks before harvest), love what the cool to cold temperatures at night does to the colour!
"When I first got the Northern Lights varieties, there were 8 types, 1-8. They came with descriptions, which I published in my catalogue. These descriptions may not correlate with what later developed. The original intention was to purchase seeds from the U.S. NL growers. It didn't work out and supply dried up. I kept the lines separate and inbred them. NL1 and NL2 stabilized into distinct types and NL5 only produced one unique individual.
NL1 was a full blood Afghan indica. One thick main stem, dark green leaves, modest yield with nuggety buds, a little coarse with good resin production, which when ripe went golden. The high was narcotic. The seeds ranged from tiny to massive. I used to love the big ones. Large fat heavily and darkly mottled seeds. Selecting for these seeds made this Afghan even coarser. It was fun to show people these seeds. The best line of NL1 actually came from the smaller seeded types, better high and bud structure. There weren't many pure indica lines around in those days. Big Bud, Hash Plant and G13 were pure indicas in my estimation, but were cuttings. NL1 was the only good pure Afghani male line I had (there was Sam's Afghani#1, but that was toxic in a bad way). The NL2 was a Kush. I put the NL1 out there as a pure strain. I wasn't popular. People would tell me, "give me the pure strains", but if it cost them 10% of their yield they would complain, well ,try 50%. The pure indica hybrids were more popular. NL1 x HP and NL1 x G13 were the best. At least people could use the word pure (very popular). But they were good!
I expect that a lot of people holding what they believe to be pure indicas today, would find, if the truth be known, that the sire line traces back to NL1.
I did go to the States later and pick up the original U.S. NL5 mother and it was as it was described to me, part Thai. But my NL5 didn't seem to have any Thai influence. I spent a lot of time analyzing the NL lines, in particular the NL5.
I only saw evidence of two indica male lines in the NL series and that was NL1 and NL2. My best bet was that NL5 was a combination of NL1 male line and U.S. NL5 female. I guessed that NL5 was 50% NL2. Northern Lights 2x5 was the best that I could do staying within the line (pure NL).
Northern Lights changed the face of cannabis genetics (and many a smoker), but it was mostly through NL5. You've got to marvel at fate for dropping that one extreme plant into the lap of a budding seed breeder.
The NL 1-8 were seed lines and most were hybrids. A couple of years after getting the seed, I went to the U.S. to get the U.S. NL5 cutting. It didn't turn out to be as good or even that similar to my NL5".
Peace
BM
P.S. A few pics of one I did in my greenhouse (two weeks before harvest), love what the cool to cold temperatures at night does to the colour!
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St. Phatty
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I bought some Haze x NL beans in 1990.
I can never remember - was it Haze x NL or NL x Haze ?
It was really good
I also inherited a film cannister full of seeds a pot smoking friend in Silicon Valley saved and gave to me, early 90's. It was seeds from primo sinsemilla bud from Mendo & Humboldt, 1980's ish.
(that does sound like a contradiction
Vive la Contradiction !! )
2 of the buds that were notable there -
a leaf-Indica thick-with-resin plant. Super dank.
another seed that grew WAAAAY super stink, with massive resin. I called it "PU Licorice Skunk".
That description of Northern Lights and other members' descriptions of Chem, remind me of single plants that I got a chance to grow from those Mendo-Humboldt seeds in the film cannister. I remember a smell and a high.
I can never remember - was it Haze x NL or NL x Haze ?
It was really good
I also inherited a film cannister full of seeds a pot smoking friend in Silicon Valley saved and gave to me, early 90's. It was seeds from primo sinsemilla bud from Mendo & Humboldt, 1980's ish.
(that does sound like a contradiction
Vive la Contradiction !! )2 of the buds that were notable there -
a leaf-Indica thick-with-resin plant. Super dank.
another seed that grew WAAAAY super stink, with massive resin. I called it "PU Licorice Skunk".
That description of Northern Lights and other members' descriptions of Chem, remind me of single plants that I got a chance to grow from those Mendo-Humboldt seeds in the film cannister. I remember a smell and a high.
Gunter
Active member
If I wanted to get as close to the NL that Neville selected and put on the market, which breeder would that be today. I went with the one by sensi (and that's the only one I know) but its likely that sensi lost their original cuts in the last 20 years.
Is that genetic so far spread that it does not matter?
Most of the old dutch companies could have some close enough version of the NL that it does not really matter. Any thoughts one which one is the closest one today?
Is that genetic so far spread that it does not matter?
Most of the old dutch companies could have some close enough version of the NL that it does not really matter. Any thoughts one which one is the closest one today?
OleReynard
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I'd go thru Todd with Authentic Genetics
CharlesU Farley
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I should know better than to get involved in a thread like this, but... to get the _true_ genetics of NL, which won all the awards, your only option is Sensi. They are the _only_ ones guaranteed to have the _genetics_ that Nevil worked.
Unfortunately, as you have noted, Sensi has gone straight to hell in the last 20 years, because they are no longer breeding/developing cannabis, they are only slinging seeds. The closest you're going to get to the actual genetics of NL, that have been actually worked by someone who knows what they're doing, would be from Peak Seeds BC, and they're no longer selling.
I've been developing Sensi's NL exclusively for almost 25 years now, so I know a thing or two about the history and development of it. I would never even consider anything from Todd, a certified asshat, imo. Anyone hawking specific Northern Lights numbers these days is full of shit... those numbers no longer exist, and haven't for decades.
It absolutely astounds me that people are hawking NL #5 seeds when even Nevil couldn't get his hands on the actual #5 seeds, which is why he tried to back door NL Seattle Greg via the "Indian" .
