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sad i know.and im sorry to hear that man.
I hope you can forgive those people who acted out of ignorance with arrogance.
Not surprised though,the world is filled with corruption,hate,ignorance. Again i apologize .for real grow on and stay strong brother.
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thank you ghostmade! I do indeed perceive your concern as authentic
I do forgive them indeed, no need to hold resent; however, I forgive but don't forget, since as you wisely noted, the world is pretty crazy and you cannot trust everybody just because.also, if we forget our history, we are bound to repeat it, hence why I took issue with the argument that hempcat so unskillfully presented
much peace and good health to you bro and yours!
genedigger
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exactly hempkat!the fact that any evidence of him exists at all is almost proof in of itself.99%of the people surounding jesus didnt want his wofk or objective to continue thats why they put him to death.by the way dr.fever wheres the records of all the other dinguses that got put to death around the same time as jesus?where are they ?oh they didnt record that shit!they were fukin criminals there shouldnt even be any record of jesus!why is there so much info on him and why are the 3 major religions following him?oh i forgot your way smarter than the masses that worship.your so fukin above all of them with your mangiven shit knowledge about science.science has been around forever im gonna put all my faith in it.its saving our world.look at everything science has accomplished and add up the bad and the good.there is way more bad that science has caused.science has failed our mother earth.
thank you ghostmade! I do indeed perceive your concern as authentic
also, if we forget our history, we are bound to repeat it, hence why I took issue with the argument that hempcat so unskillfully presented
much peace and good health to you bro and yours!
Also the vatican has the scorge and kill order on jesus. Although they did not name him.its clearly is him. Jesus is a historical fact
And just like they did moses,they tried to stricken his name from the history books.
Just like tomas (dude who seen and touched the wounds of jesus) they tried to silence him in India. Now there is a monument which stands in honor of him.
that's be grounds for forum removal
but sho nuf bro, i'll talk plain and open
i had a privileged youth, elite ("gifted") schooling which put ~30% of my fellows as jews. never had a problem. my closest friends.
never had a problem with masons either. i used to rant about arcologies and synergy and cultural modes, and conspiracy never entered my vocabulary.
until after they fucked me
ten years of covert targeting later, i will attest here and now
sure are a lot of jews among the cryptocrats! there sure are... i wouldn't think they're masons... b'nai brith or something? i testify to an inordinately high proportion of jewish gang stalkers
yup, i said inordinately high. i've been gang stalked on both hemispheres of this planet, i've moved around, and that's what i saw, and now i'm telling you *only allowed five emoticons per post, otherwise i'd tiphat*
if i had to rank # of stalkers by affiliation, it would be masonic, military, jewish, occultist. varies by region of course.
i can't fill in the ten years of subsequent erudition, eg. how i would interpret the u.s. gov't propaganda film "don't be a sucker!" from a TI's perspective for every reader...
..but i can say, be egalitarian if you want, but if you take my advice, don't dismiss the idea of covert cultural agendas, that there could be a cult, maybe satanists! in your community, pretending to be nice people, but working in collusion to keep people confused, trivial, weakened, and malleable. simple. "Littles."
i've never busted in on a bunch of jews or masons or anyone else sacrificing a person, but i've observed informedly for ten years and networked with other victims of covert abuse. i've watched my school friends grow up.
i'll tell you right now - there is no group for jewish targeted individuals. understand that.
there are groups for TIs for countries, cities, and other orientations, but jewish TIs?
there is no such animal.
understand that.
there IS a jewish guy who says he has morgellons, but he comes off rather theatrical, more like he's trying to frighten people than inform.
and that's my honest experience of jewish cryptocracy!
remember, if people are being unnecessarily loud in public, maybe they're not rude by accident, maybe disrupting others is their intention... their pastime.. their passion...... from the way some people go at it it wouldn't be a fucking surprise eh.
genedigger
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a dingus you never heard of a dingus?its like a wingnut or a fuckup
genedigger
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waveguide why wont they let woman in the club?ive asked them masons many times what they got against non whites/women and some laugh and some get mad and some evade the question
Also the vatican has the scorge and kill order on jesus. Although they did not name him.its clearly is him. Jesus is a historical fact
And just like they did moses,they tried to stricken his name from the history books.
Just like tomas (dude who seen and touched the wounds of jesus) they tried to silence him in India. Now there is a monument which stands in honor of him.
The Blind leading the Blind prove your Historical FACT lol this is what i mean stupidity at its finest first of all you mention the vatican lmao FUCK Me there not only one of the most corrupt institutions on the fucking planet ,, and your going to believe it hahaha WEAK
Curious Ghost they ever figure out the 3 killings in the vatican ??? its over 11 years ago pretty sure nothing has been resolved some more BS wiped under the shroud ??
And TBH that is the problem with religion its all based on Faith not one bit of realt truth or Proof of any sort so by all means knee jerk to what you believe its your right ,,
And i will believe in truth and facts
Here Ghost this is just for you make sure to watch part 2 as well lol think i am going to make some eggs Benedict
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyk4n2lXhpE
genedigger
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you are a very confusing soul to figure out fever.good link.it surprises me that you watch stuff that goes hand in hand with bible prophecies but you denounce religion something feirce.its almost hypocritcal.you dont like religion or god it seems or dont relate to it,but you can relate to stuff about religion falling and the one about the baha'i faith that was under that youtube link ids good stuff.thats the world religion the un wants to push.if you ever feel like it read the bible with an open mind and you may find its prophecies are right up your ally
genedigger
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see the thing about that book you hate so much is that it clearly states there is a very small religious group on earth that is going to be saved and that most religions are false and are going to be destroyed in anticipation for jesus to reign as king,which has already happened if you beleive true christianity,and not the bullshit mainstream christian religions
genedigger
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for someone who doesnt like world religions and think they are bullshit well you should be cruising down that narrow rd. leading to life that FEW will find,not masses part of some faith like islam,christianity ect..and you should be embracing the idea that something bigger than you is going to wipe false religion of the face of this earth.you should be stoked to hear of this how come you bash it?
The Vatileaks scandal[1][2][3] is a scandal initially involving leaked Vatican documents, exposing alleged corruption; in addition, an internal Vatican investigation purportedly uncovered the blackmailing of homosexual clergy by individuals outside the Church.[4] The scandal first came to light in late January 2012 in a television programme aired in Italy under the name of The Untouchables (Gli intoccabili). Further information was released when Italian journalist Gianluigi Nuzzi published letters from Carlo Maria Viganò, formerly the second ranked Vatican administrator to the pope, in which he begged not to be transferred for having exposed alleged corruption that cost the Holy See millions in higher contract prices. Viganò is now the Apostolic Nuncio to the United States. The name "VatiLeaks" is a play on the word WikiLeaks, a not-for-profit media organisation whose goal is to bring important news and information to the public; providing an anonymous way for sources to leak information to their journalists.
Over the following months the situation widened as documents were leaked to Italian journalists, uncovering power struggles inside the Vatican over its efforts to show greater financial transparency and comply with international norms to fight money laundering. In early 2012, an anonymous letter made the headlines for its warning of a death threat against Pope Benedict XVI.[2] The scandal escalated in May 2012 when Nuzzi published a book entitled His Holiness: The Secret Papers of Benedict XVI consisting of confidential letters and memos between Pope Benedict and his personal secretary,[5] a controversial book that portrays the Vatican as a hotbed of jealousy, intrigue and underhanded factional fighting.[6] The book reveals details about the Pope's personal finances, and includes tales of bribes made to procure an audience with him.[7]
Contents [hide]
1 Vatican internal investigation
2 Arrest of Paolo Gabriele
3 Papal response
4 Trial of Paolo Gabriele and papal pardon
5 Aftermath of the investigation
6 See also
7 References
Vatican internal investigation[edit]
Pope Benedict appointed a commission of cardinals to investigate the leaks in March 2012. The Vatican probe into the leaks worked along several tracks, with Vatican magistrates pursuing the criminal investigation and the Vatican secretariat of state an administrative probe. The three cardinals appointed by Benedict acted in a supervisory role, looking beyond the narrow criminal scope of the leaks to interview broadly across the Vatican bureaucracy; they purportedly uncovered a sexual and blackmail scandal.[4] They reported directly to the pope, and could both share information with Vatican prosecutors and receive information from them, according to Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi. The group was headed by Cardinal Julian Herranz, an Opus Dei prelate who headed the Vatican's legal office as well as the disciplinary commission of the Vatican bureaucracy before retiring.[1]
Arrest of Paolo Gabriele[edit]
Paolo Gabriele, who had been the pope's personal butler since 2007, leaked the stolen information to Gianluigi Nuzzi. He was arrested on 23 May 2012 after confidential letters and documents addressed to the pope and other Vatican officials were found in his Vatican apartment. The arrest was made by Vatican police, who claimed to have found classified documents in his apartment that Gabriele shared with his wife and three children.[5][8] Similar documents had been published in Italian media over the previous five months; many of them dealt with allegations of corruption, abuse of power and a lack of financial transparency at the Vatican.[9]
Papal response[edit]
On 30 May 2012, Pope Benedict made his first direct comments on the scandal in remarks at the end of his weekly general audience.[10] The Pope said the "exaggerated" and "gratuitous" rumours had offered a false image of the Holy See,[10] commenting "The events of recent days about the Curia and my collaborators have brought sadness in my heart...I want to renew my trust in and encouragement of my closest collaborators and all those who every day, with loyalty and a spirit of sacrifice and in silence, help me fulfill my ministry."
On 26 July, Pope Benedict held a meeting of the commission of cardinals. Included in attendance, were the head of the Vatican police, those judges involved in the case, and representatives of the Vatican secretariat of state, according to a report from Federico Lombardi.[11]
Trial of Paolo Gabriele and papal pardon[edit]
Piero Antonio Bonnet, the Vatican's judge, had been instructed to examine the evidence of the case and to decide whether there is sufficient material to proceed to trial. Prior to conviction, Gabriele faced a maximum sentence of 8 years for the illegal possession of documents of a head of state.[12]
Paolo Gabriele was indicted by Vatican magistrates on 13 August 2012 for aggravated theft.[13] The first hearing of the trial of Paolo Gabriele and Claudio Sciarpelletti took place on 29 September 2012.[14]
Gabriele's trial began on 2 October 2012.[15] He claimed to have stolen the documents to fight "evil and corruption" and put the Vatican "back on track".[15] Multiple evaluations of Gabriele's mental health provided conflicting results: concluding in one report that, Gabriele suffered from a "fragile personality with paranoid tendencies covering profound personal insecurity"; yet another report found that Gabriele showed no adequate signs of a major psychological disorder nor posing any serious threat to himself or others.[16] Vatican police seized encrypted documents and confidential papers that the Pope had marked "to be destroyed" when they raided the apartment of his butler, the court heard.[17]
On 6 October, Paolo Gabriele was found to be guilty of theft, and was sentenced to a reduced sentence of 18 months. Gabriele was also ordered to pay legal expenses.[18][19] However, Gabriele served his sentence in the Vatican itself, as opposed to the usual arrangement of sending prisoners to serve time in an Italian prison due to concerns that he might leak further secrets.[20] Gabriele was personally visited and pardoned by Benedict XVI on 22 December 2012.[21][21][22]
Aftermath of the investigation[edit]
On 17 December 2012 the Pope received a report on "Vatican lobbies" prepared by cardinals Julián Herranz, Salvatore De Giorgi, a former archbishop of Palermo, and Jozef Tomko.[23] Vatican spokesman Fr. Federico Lombardi, speaking on Vatican Radio on 23 February 2013, strongly criticized media coverage[4][24] of the report [25] as a financial scandal which purportedly became, upon the cardinals' internal investigation, a gay sex and blackmail scandal as well.[26]
Although the dossier was available only to Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI and the investigators themselves, the latter were free to discuss the results of their investigation with the Cardinal electors of the March 2013 Papal Conclave, and the dossier itself was to have been given to Benedict's successor as Pope, Francis.[27] On 1 March 2013, Fr. Lombardi reported that "two or three phones" had been tapped.[28][29]
On 12 June 2013 it was reported that leaked notes of a private conversation between Pope Francis and Catholic officials at the Latin American Conference of Religious (CLAR) confirmed the existence of "a stream of corruption", and that "The 'gay lobby' is mentioned, and it is true, it is there … We need to see what we can do". According to The Economist "Vatican investigators had identified a network of gay prelates".[30] CLAR confirmed that its leaders had written a synopsis of the pope's remarks, although not for publication. Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi made no comment on the remarks made in "a private meeting".[31]
Over the following months the situation widened as documents were leaked to Italian journalists, uncovering power struggles inside the Vatican over its efforts to show greater financial transparency and comply with international norms to fight money laundering. In early 2012, an anonymous letter made the headlines for its warning of a death threat against Pope Benedict XVI.[2] The scandal escalated in May 2012 when Nuzzi published a book entitled His Holiness: The Secret Papers of Benedict XVI consisting of confidential letters and memos between Pope Benedict and his personal secretary,[5] a controversial book that portrays the Vatican as a hotbed of jealousy, intrigue and underhanded factional fighting.[6] The book reveals details about the Pope's personal finances, and includes tales of bribes made to procure an audience with him.[7]
Contents [hide]
1 Vatican internal investigation
2 Arrest of Paolo Gabriele
3 Papal response
4 Trial of Paolo Gabriele and papal pardon
5 Aftermath of the investigation
6 See also
7 References
Vatican internal investigation[edit]
Pope Benedict appointed a commission of cardinals to investigate the leaks in March 2012. The Vatican probe into the leaks worked along several tracks, with Vatican magistrates pursuing the criminal investigation and the Vatican secretariat of state an administrative probe. The three cardinals appointed by Benedict acted in a supervisory role, looking beyond the narrow criminal scope of the leaks to interview broadly across the Vatican bureaucracy; they purportedly uncovered a sexual and blackmail scandal.[4] They reported directly to the pope, and could both share information with Vatican prosecutors and receive information from them, according to Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi. The group was headed by Cardinal Julian Herranz, an Opus Dei prelate who headed the Vatican's legal office as well as the disciplinary commission of the Vatican bureaucracy before retiring.[1]
Arrest of Paolo Gabriele[edit]
Paolo Gabriele, who had been the pope's personal butler since 2007, leaked the stolen information to Gianluigi Nuzzi. He was arrested on 23 May 2012 after confidential letters and documents addressed to the pope and other Vatican officials were found in his Vatican apartment. The arrest was made by Vatican police, who claimed to have found classified documents in his apartment that Gabriele shared with his wife and three children.[5][8] Similar documents had been published in Italian media over the previous five months; many of them dealt with allegations of corruption, abuse of power and a lack of financial transparency at the Vatican.[9]
Papal response[edit]
On 30 May 2012, Pope Benedict made his first direct comments on the scandal in remarks at the end of his weekly general audience.[10] The Pope said the "exaggerated" and "gratuitous" rumours had offered a false image of the Holy See,[10] commenting "The events of recent days about the Curia and my collaborators have brought sadness in my heart...I want to renew my trust in and encouragement of my closest collaborators and all those who every day, with loyalty and a spirit of sacrifice and in silence, help me fulfill my ministry."
On 26 July, Pope Benedict held a meeting of the commission of cardinals. Included in attendance, were the head of the Vatican police, those judges involved in the case, and representatives of the Vatican secretariat of state, according to a report from Federico Lombardi.[11]
Trial of Paolo Gabriele and papal pardon[edit]
Piero Antonio Bonnet, the Vatican's judge, had been instructed to examine the evidence of the case and to decide whether there is sufficient material to proceed to trial. Prior to conviction, Gabriele faced a maximum sentence of 8 years for the illegal possession of documents of a head of state.[12]
Paolo Gabriele was indicted by Vatican magistrates on 13 August 2012 for aggravated theft.[13] The first hearing of the trial of Paolo Gabriele and Claudio Sciarpelletti took place on 29 September 2012.[14]
Gabriele's trial began on 2 October 2012.[15] He claimed to have stolen the documents to fight "evil and corruption" and put the Vatican "back on track".[15] Multiple evaluations of Gabriele's mental health provided conflicting results: concluding in one report that, Gabriele suffered from a "fragile personality with paranoid tendencies covering profound personal insecurity"; yet another report found that Gabriele showed no adequate signs of a major psychological disorder nor posing any serious threat to himself or others.[16] Vatican police seized encrypted documents and confidential papers that the Pope had marked "to be destroyed" when they raided the apartment of his butler, the court heard.[17]
On 6 October, Paolo Gabriele was found to be guilty of theft, and was sentenced to a reduced sentence of 18 months. Gabriele was also ordered to pay legal expenses.[18][19] However, Gabriele served his sentence in the Vatican itself, as opposed to the usual arrangement of sending prisoners to serve time in an Italian prison due to concerns that he might leak further secrets.[20] Gabriele was personally visited and pardoned by Benedict XVI on 22 December 2012.[21][21][22]
Aftermath of the investigation[edit]
On 17 December 2012 the Pope received a report on "Vatican lobbies" prepared by cardinals Julián Herranz, Salvatore De Giorgi, a former archbishop of Palermo, and Jozef Tomko.[23] Vatican spokesman Fr. Federico Lombardi, speaking on Vatican Radio on 23 February 2013, strongly criticized media coverage[4][24] of the report [25] as a financial scandal which purportedly became, upon the cardinals' internal investigation, a gay sex and blackmail scandal as well.[26]
Although the dossier was available only to Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI and the investigators themselves, the latter were free to discuss the results of their investigation with the Cardinal electors of the March 2013 Papal Conclave, and the dossier itself was to have been given to Benedict's successor as Pope, Francis.[27] On 1 March 2013, Fr. Lombardi reported that "two or three phones" had been tapped.[28][29]
On 12 June 2013 it was reported that leaked notes of a private conversation between Pope Francis and Catholic officials at the Latin American Conference of Religious (CLAR) confirmed the existence of "a stream of corruption", and that "The 'gay lobby' is mentioned, and it is true, it is there … We need to see what we can do". According to The Economist "Vatican investigators had identified a network of gay prelates".[30] CLAR confirmed that its leaders had written a synopsis of the pope's remarks, although not for publication. Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi made no comment on the remarks made in "a private meeting".[31]
genedigger
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not quite the vatican is the leader of false religion imo.its the harlot thats been drunk on the blood of the innocent spoken of in revalation.to think that they are anything but corrupt is nonsense.
Sure they are corrupt,i wont dispute that .so is our government. But we believe them when its on paper. Shit we believe alot of things we have not seen. Have you seen an atom? How about gravity? Or been in outer space?
Im pretty sure you have not. But you believe these thing to be true via faith in the sorce
You worship the status quo. What evrybody agrees is true. If you lived in ancient times you would of been on the world is flat train. I would 2
My point is this. How can we truly come to an undeniably whole truth of anything?expecially when it come from humans (the new kid of the existence block)
Also why are you so angry??? And disrespectful,trying to belittle and mock someone?isn't it funny your an atheist,and seeem so discontent with human life? Really it like a game where your trying to feel better about yourself all while laughing at someone else.
Really your morality reflects your ideas of mortality. What gets me the most with your kind is that if this is all there is.yall wanna be a dick on the train to eternal nothingness
Dont you see?you are consumed with an ideology that has done more for the cause of evil,than any other religion.really there is no god,so dont even think abkut it.it is a forbidden taboo.
Do you not understand the very thing thats teach's us life is precious and sacred is what you are going against.trust me if it was not for religious folk abortion after abortion would happen. Stephen hawkings and countless other would be terminated.
Ugenics (gentics) would be knocking people off i. The order of millions.
The world would lose its flavor.
We would be in a sad sorry state of being.more so than now (whats that saying?)
I hope you find some kind of understanding that the only good in you has come from GOD.
All morality is his law. To know something is wrong you need a point of reference of whats good.
If not
Well shit lets just start knocking off the poor,funny looking people,weed smokers and the drinkers, evrybody who dose not think like western folk. 9h wait they already did and do that. I wounder what stops it from consuming the whole planet over night?
Im freinds with devil worshipers and masons and a whole host of felons and evil doers. Why dont i knock them off? Becuase it is an order to me.love the very people who mean to do.me harm. It goes againt this worlds nature. Would a fuck zebra stop and pray for the lions heart? Lol how about the gator fighting the other gator for territory. Would it stop and try to talk it out? No we are not animals even if we are 99.9997 percent animal by dna.
An atom of gods light is all it takes for us to go against the "natural order of things"
See oonce you realize that we are acting in spite of the way it should be. Murder and mayhem. And that its not of our doing. Unless you're sick egotistical f**** who is self absorbed thinking that he is the Almighty being in the universe, that all good things were just a happenin of chance. Is just shallow .
To do these things which are good is supernatural. Wake up,your just brilliantly dumb
So smart that your stupid. It like the dude who hugs a puppy to death. You brain is huging your heart to death.
Your heart is sposed to run the brain not the other way around. But you want to worship your self as a god.
Goodluck on your journey.i hope you atleast bring goodness and happiness to yourself and a least one other,you self absorbed frivolous prick I love you
and report that you filthy animal lol
I joke of course. Just try and approach the subject matter with an open heart and a different perspective outside of your own if you can achieve a state of thinking such as this
Im pretty sure you have not. But you believe these thing to be true via faith in the sorce
You worship the status quo. What evrybody agrees is true. If you lived in ancient times you would of been on the world is flat train. I would 2
My point is this. How can we truly come to an undeniably whole truth of anything?expecially when it come from humans (the new kid of the existence block)
Also why are you so angry??? And disrespectful,trying to belittle and mock someone?isn't it funny your an atheist,and seeem so discontent with human life? Really it like a game where your trying to feel better about yourself all while laughing at someone else.
Really your morality reflects your ideas of mortality. What gets me the most with your kind is that if this is all there is.yall wanna be a dick on the train to eternal nothingness
Dont you see?you are consumed with an ideology that has done more for the cause of evil,than any other religion.really there is no god,so dont even think abkut it.it is a forbidden taboo.
Do you not understand the very thing thats teach's us life is precious and sacred is what you are going against.trust me if it was not for religious folk abortion after abortion would happen. Stephen hawkings and countless other would be terminated.
Ugenics (gentics) would be knocking people off i. The order of millions.
The world would lose its flavor.
We would be in a sad sorry state of being.more so than now (whats that saying?)
I hope you find some kind of understanding that the only good in you has come from GOD.
All morality is his law. To know something is wrong you need a point of reference of whats good.
If not
Well shit lets just start knocking off the poor,funny looking people,weed smokers and the drinkers, evrybody who dose not think like western folk. 9h wait they already did and do that. I wounder what stops it from consuming the whole planet over night?
Im freinds with devil worshipers and masons and a whole host of felons and evil doers. Why dont i knock them off? Becuase it is an order to me.love the very people who mean to do.me harm. It goes againt this worlds nature. Would a fuck zebra stop and pray for the lions heart? Lol how about the gator fighting the other gator for territory. Would it stop and try to talk it out? No we are not animals even if we are 99.9997 percent animal by dna.
An atom of gods light is all it takes for us to go against the "natural order of things"
See oonce you realize that we are acting in spite of the way it should be. Murder and mayhem. And that its not of our doing. Unless you're sick egotistical f**** who is self absorbed thinking that he is the Almighty being in the universe, that all good things were just a happenin of chance. Is just shallow .
To do these things which are good is supernatural. Wake up,your just brilliantly dumb
So smart that your stupid. It like the dude who hugs a puppy to death. You brain is huging your heart to death.
Your heart is sposed to run the brain not the other way around. But you want to worship your self as a god.
Goodluck on your journey.i hope you atleast bring goodness and happiness to yourself and a least one other,you self absorbed frivolous prick I love you
and report that you filthy animal lolI joke of course. Just try and approach the subject matter with an open heart and a different perspective outside of your own if you can achieve a state of thinking such as this
And, of course, you, in your infinite ignorance, belong to the sect that's going to be saved, and all else will be destroyed. OMG!!!! Every time I think you can't say anything more stupid, you prove me wrong.
Your phony god would have to be the ultimate sadist and murderer to destroy all those "other religions".
How does a human being even get that ignorant?
It's truly mind boggling that you can be so simple minded and devoid of even a shred of logic.
All you do is regurgitate shit that's already been flushed.
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