Think of all the tax dollars the voting public will save in not having to pay for these people's incarceration! Fuck the prison worker's union.
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Newsflash: Corporate MMJ market hand-off in California in full effect
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Think of all the tax dollars the voting public will save in not having to pay for these people's incarceration! Fuck the prison worker's union.
I was looking at websites with info on AB 266 and came across California State Senate Bill 643. I'm not certain how these two relate, but my impression is that the senate bill is what is being worked on as the final document.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/15-16/bill/sen/sb_0601-0650/sb_643_bill_20150406_amended_sen_v98.pdf
They're trying to get rid of the "pot doctors" and require you to use your personal physician for a medical marijuana recommendation. Cultivation for sale as medical will require a license and an approved facility. This cultivation cannot be done anywhere with residential zoning. Edibles for sale must be properly packaged and labeled. Transporting quantities of finished product to the distributor must be done in a very regulated manner. The whole thing is quite thorough. It doesn't appear to be vindictive in nature so much as an attempt to be very specific in what can and can't be done. If passed the medical market will be tightly regulated but not in an overly onerous way. But the "wild west" days will be over.
The bill as it stands now very specifically states that individual medical patients will not require the license to grow for themselves, and themselves only. A grower may also function as a caregiver for up to five patients without needing the license. No collectives though.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/15-16/bill/sen/sb_0601-0650/sb_643_bill_20150406_amended_sen_v98.pdf
They're trying to get rid of the "pot doctors" and require you to use your personal physician for a medical marijuana recommendation. Cultivation for sale as medical will require a license and an approved facility. This cultivation cannot be done anywhere with residential zoning. Edibles for sale must be properly packaged and labeled. Transporting quantities of finished product to the distributor must be done in a very regulated manner. The whole thing is quite thorough. It doesn't appear to be vindictive in nature so much as an attempt to be very specific in what can and can't be done. If passed the medical market will be tightly regulated but not in an overly onerous way. But the "wild west" days will be over.
The bill as it stands now very specifically states that individual medical patients will not require the license to grow for themselves, and themselves only. A grower may also function as a caregiver for up to five patients without needing the license. No collectives though.
SmokingWolf09
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Well I was thinking of spending some considerable time in Cali. soon. So one would think this issue will concerne me since I've been a most every day cannabis user since ohh around 1984-85. Yea, remeber those days? I can remember reading in the newspaper of a few people dying back then after smoking cannabis contaminated with a chemical herbacide called Paraquat. That our good Ol' U.S.A. tax dollars were spent to buy and spray on cannabis fields in Central, and South America, and Mexico. Where the vast majority of street weed was coming from. What does this have to do with this issue you may ask, because those of us that really love our cannabis, and want to help others who need it's medicine will have it one way or another. Nomatter how bad the "War on Drugs" was And There will always be folks like me who are willing to take the risk but, very educatedly, I hope to grow our own and FUCK the Government! By the way, the man who taught me to grow had been growing since the late 50s' when only a few white folks knew about weed.
My grandfather made moonshine that was somewhat akin to the struggle with damned government. Folks mad corn whiskey for centuries, then the government saw some money being made. Maybe not alot to begin with between friends and neighbors selling a li'l "shine" now and then and ussually there may have been a small donation from the proceeds to the local constabulary. Then they "Prohibited, the Demon Alcohol". Then they repealed that law and re-allowed aforementioned "Demon Alcohol" which now they've found has so many great uses. But, the re-allowance of whiskey then gave the damned government the power to tax it and even worse "regulate" it, so that only they get the lion's share then and controll the prices, and who can have it, and who can't.
Can't we see where this is going? For Pete's sake man, it's the same thing the damned government did to the native Americans, they did it to our ancestors, heck even our grand Fathers, and now they've set their sites on the lowly pothead, the stoner, the nere'-do-well burnouts as they see us.
I didn't mean to go on a rant lol. I love my Country but our government could use a hell of a lot of improvement. No wonder the Ogalala people call white people Wa-shi-schu, it means, He Who takes the best for himself when everybody else has to pick at scraps and starve. Again, sorry about the rant, y'all have a good 'un. Wolf
My grandfather made moonshine that was somewhat akin to the struggle with damned government. Folks mad corn whiskey for centuries, then the government saw some money being made. Maybe not alot to begin with between friends and neighbors selling a li'l "shine" now and then and ussually there may have been a small donation from the proceeds to the local constabulary. Then they "Prohibited, the Demon Alcohol". Then they repealed that law and re-allowed aforementioned "Demon Alcohol" which now they've found has so many great uses. But, the re-allowance of whiskey then gave the damned government the power to tax it and even worse "regulate" it, so that only they get the lion's share then and controll the prices, and who can have it, and who can't.
Can't we see where this is going? For Pete's sake man, it's the same thing the damned government did to the native Americans, they did it to our ancestors, heck even our grand Fathers, and now they've set their sites on the lowly pothead, the stoner, the nere'-do-well burnouts as they see us.
I didn't mean to go on a rant lol. I love my Country but our government could use a hell of a lot of improvement. No wonder the Ogalala people call white people Wa-shi-schu, it means, He Who takes the best for himself when everybody else has to pick at scraps and starve. Again, sorry about the rant, y'all have a good 'un. Wolf
yeah the regulations put on doctors will ultimately spell the end of CA MMJ as we know it...maybe one out of 1000 current patients will be recommended cannabis by their attending physician.
time for prices to start going up for a change.
Yes, if you have a recommendation you'll still be able to grow at home for yourself, but recommendations will be harder to come by. Recommendations for high plant counts will almost disappear. But any doctor who believes that cannabis can be good medicine and is willing to stick up for his/her beliefs will find no shortage of patients. But the threat of sanctions will deter most MDs.
Prices will most definitely go up, giving more power to the gangs. Way to go State Senate and Assembly!
And then there are the 2016 initiatives. It would be great if the 2016 Herer initiative gets on the ballot. I grow for myself but prefer to grow many small plants, so CCHI 2016 with it's high plant counts would be awesome. But I just can't see the average voter approving an initiative which allows possession of 99 pounds. The other initiatives are written to benefit commercial interests and are quite repressive regarding personal home grows.
It's safer than alcohol. Regulate it like wine.
I guess it takes being in cali or Washington or Colorado to really be up in huff about this. Now before any one attacks me for that statement hear me out. I don't live in those states that are lucky enough to grow buy etc etc and yes i can see why you guys are upset about this law nobody likes when the government puts their greedy hands into things. If it were up to me we would be able to use this wonderful plant unrestricted untaxed etc. If you unbiasedly think about it those states i listed are still light years ahead of most the country. Minnesota for example has mmj however it is a joke, no smoking the flower only vaping oils and pills and no growing. There are only eight locations to get the meds and only 9 qualifying illnesses. The costs for the meds are about $600 give or take for a months worth. Strictest mmj program in the country. I wish the government would just leave us all be we aren't hurting anyone so who cares what we grow or smoke or whatever. I guess all im trying to say is it sucks money is getting in the way of a good thing once again however you in the legal states still have it pretty good in comparison to the rest of America and I am envious of anyone who can go into a dispensary and buy weed or grow for personal without fear of jail time as long as you follow the limits on numbers etc.
Fuck sakes,,,,can't people be left alone without others trying to drain every cent out of a plant,,,bloody sad and frustrating,,,,s2
i think you're missing the point; CA is literally on the verge of taking a GIANT step backwards; not only on cannabis, but also personal freedom; and the right to choose what medicine is suitable for your own person...they put doctors in a tough position; and they're literally going to turn probably 15% of the population into criminals over night; people that follow the laws and benefit from medical cannabis are suddenly guilty of felonies...
And I get that trust me i do because I am considered a criminal in the eyes of the law regardless of whether i agree or not. Cali needs to vote etc.... as is their right in this supposed land of the free. Still at the end of the day those states are still better off then most the country
Very true. Either sb 266 fails or we have to go back to Overgrowing the fucks that want to monopolize a plant. I'm hopeful that the herds of people I see at grow stores will keep doing there thing regardless of the law
We need to organize in support of CCHI 2016... There are some six other legalization bills who's proposed wordings are collectively the most disgusting pieces of filth I've ever fucking read..
Well....here's the latest- http://m.eastbayexpress.com/Legaliz...late-medical-cannabis-historic-deal-announced
Still not enough details to know what it means exactly but language in previous versions regarding doctors has me nervous.
Still not enough details to know what it means exactly but language in previous versions regarding doctors has me nervous.
here is the answer. its the only way we could be heard. it will never happen though , it would be like hearding cats, impossible ..
Lyfespan
Active member
just got this email
Agreement Reached on Historic Medical Marijuana Bill!
California State Assembly establishes first-of-its-kind framework to regulate the medical marijuana industry in California; AB 266 & AB 243 ensure patient access, protect the environment, public safety and public health
(Sacramento, CA) – Today the California State Assembly reached a historic agreement on a comprehensive regulatory framework for the state's billion dollar medical cannabis industry that will be placed in AB 266 and AB 243. AB 266 is authored by Assemblymembers Rob Bonta (D-Oakland), Ken Cooley (D-Rancho Cordova), Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer (D-Los Angeles), and Tom Lackey (R-Palmdale), while AB 243 is authored by Assemblymember Jim Wood (D-Healdsburg).
This is the first time in the history of California that a medical marijuana regulatory framework has been agreed to by the California State Assembly, the California State Senate, and the Governor’s Office.
“AB 266 is the result of an unprecedented stakeholder process in which my colleagues and I brought everyone to the table, from medical marijuana businesses to law enforcement and patient advocates, to create a comprehensive regulatory framework for the state’s billion dollar medical marijuana industry,” explained lead author Assemblymember Bonta. “My office and the offices of my joint authors have spent thousands of hours holding stakeholder meetings to refine the bill and incorporate recommendations from stakeholders as well as Assembly leadership and the administration.”
Assemblymember Jim Wood authored a companion piece to AB 266. “The medical marijuana industry has expanded rapidly and without check in my district because direction from the State has been absent. This long overdue direction is finally closer than ever. I am thrilled that AB 243, which is focused specifically on the needs of the north coast, will serve as the foundation of the cultivation language in this year’s marijuana package.”
California was the first state in the nation to allow for the medical use of marijuana with the passage of Proposition 215 nearly two decades ago, leading the charge ahead of 22 other states and the District of Columbia. However, California still that lacks a comprehensive regulatory framework for the medical marijuana industry. AB 266 will fulfill the will of the voters by creating a regulatory framework to ensure patient access, as well as to protect the environment, public safety, and public health.
“California is in dire need of a strong bipartisan consensus to manage medical marijuana,” said Assemblymember Lackey, a 28-year veteran of the California Highway Patrol. “With this bill we are demonstrating that we can bring solutions to complex issues. I am proud that this will pave the way for a comprehensive study of strategies to cut down on marijuana-impaired driving which is a growing problem nationwide. AB 266 will make California a leader in drugged driving identification and prevention.”
Assemblymember Jones-Sawyer stated, "In 1996, California became the first state in the nation to allow the use of medical marijuana after voters approved Proposition 215. This unprecedented collaborative effort will finally, after 19 years, regulate the medical marijuana industry. AB 266 creates a regulatory system that respects the interests of local government while still providing a consistent statewide structure."
AB 266 creates a regulatory framework for the medical marijuana industry that would require state and local licenses for medical marijuana businesses.
A new Bureau of Medical Marijuana Regulation would oversee this multiagency licensing and regulatory effort, relying on expertise from the California Department of Food and Agriculture and the Department of Public Health.
Assemblymember Cooley commended the historic nature of the bill. “AB 266 is a historic bill. It is history-making as policy for its breakthroughs in regulation, public safety, local control and patient access. It is historic too for its method -- active listening by a team of lawmakers and staff who, having opened the door to all groups connected to a devilishly complex topic, find a common center supporting consensus. AB 266 exemplifies ‘never-say-die’ lawmaking; its passage makes it 2015’s Little Engine That Could!”
Bonta concluded, “On the first day of session, the Assembly sent a clear message that this would be the year to regulate medical marijuana. Today we fulfilled that promise. I am honored to be a part of this bipartisan legislative collaboration making California once again a leader for our patients."
AB 266 will be referred by the Senate Rules committee to a policy committee shortly.
Agreement Reached on Historic Medical Marijuana Bill!
California State Assembly establishes first-of-its-kind framework to regulate the medical marijuana industry in California; AB 266 & AB 243 ensure patient access, protect the environment, public safety and public health
(Sacramento, CA) – Today the California State Assembly reached a historic agreement on a comprehensive regulatory framework for the state's billion dollar medical cannabis industry that will be placed in AB 266 and AB 243. AB 266 is authored by Assemblymembers Rob Bonta (D-Oakland), Ken Cooley (D-Rancho Cordova), Reginald Byron Jones-Sawyer (D-Los Angeles), and Tom Lackey (R-Palmdale), while AB 243 is authored by Assemblymember Jim Wood (D-Healdsburg).
This is the first time in the history of California that a medical marijuana regulatory framework has been agreed to by the California State Assembly, the California State Senate, and the Governor’s Office.
“AB 266 is the result of an unprecedented stakeholder process in which my colleagues and I brought everyone to the table, from medical marijuana businesses to law enforcement and patient advocates, to create a comprehensive regulatory framework for the state’s billion dollar medical marijuana industry,” explained lead author Assemblymember Bonta. “My office and the offices of my joint authors have spent thousands of hours holding stakeholder meetings to refine the bill and incorporate recommendations from stakeholders as well as Assembly leadership and the administration.”
Assemblymember Jim Wood authored a companion piece to AB 266. “The medical marijuana industry has expanded rapidly and without check in my district because direction from the State has been absent. This long overdue direction is finally closer than ever. I am thrilled that AB 243, which is focused specifically on the needs of the north coast, will serve as the foundation of the cultivation language in this year’s marijuana package.”
California was the first state in the nation to allow for the medical use of marijuana with the passage of Proposition 215 nearly two decades ago, leading the charge ahead of 22 other states and the District of Columbia. However, California still that lacks a comprehensive regulatory framework for the medical marijuana industry. AB 266 will fulfill the will of the voters by creating a regulatory framework to ensure patient access, as well as to protect the environment, public safety, and public health.
“California is in dire need of a strong bipartisan consensus to manage medical marijuana,” said Assemblymember Lackey, a 28-year veteran of the California Highway Patrol. “With this bill we are demonstrating that we can bring solutions to complex issues. I am proud that this will pave the way for a comprehensive study of strategies to cut down on marijuana-impaired driving which is a growing problem nationwide. AB 266 will make California a leader in drugged driving identification and prevention.”
Assemblymember Jones-Sawyer stated, "In 1996, California became the first state in the nation to allow the use of medical marijuana after voters approved Proposition 215. This unprecedented collaborative effort will finally, after 19 years, regulate the medical marijuana industry. AB 266 creates a regulatory system that respects the interests of local government while still providing a consistent statewide structure."
AB 266 creates a regulatory framework for the medical marijuana industry that would require state and local licenses for medical marijuana businesses.
A new Bureau of Medical Marijuana Regulation would oversee this multiagency licensing and regulatory effort, relying on expertise from the California Department of Food and Agriculture and the Department of Public Health.
Assemblymember Cooley commended the historic nature of the bill. “AB 266 is a historic bill. It is history-making as policy for its breakthroughs in regulation, public safety, local control and patient access. It is historic too for its method -- active listening by a team of lawmakers and staff who, having opened the door to all groups connected to a devilishly complex topic, find a common center supporting consensus. AB 266 exemplifies ‘never-say-die’ lawmaking; its passage makes it 2015’s Little Engine That Could!”
Bonta concluded, “On the first day of session, the Assembly sent a clear message that this would be the year to regulate medical marijuana. Today we fulfilled that promise. I am honored to be a part of this bipartisan legislative collaboration making California once again a leader for our patients."
AB 266 will be referred by the Senate Rules committee to a policy committee shortly.
Lyfespan
Active member
looks and sounds like the state wants to make up for not having a system in place for years. the main concerns arent health and safety, but how to keep funding a system that looks to tax us at every turn. for instance the CHP involvement, this is not for saftey but to generate revenue by allowing chp to deem silly tolerances and more fear based propaganda. there will be no studies of individual tolerances or driving records.
for those of you wanting to start a forum growers union and spread the knowledge to other non forum growers, maybe, but as far as organizing the chaos thats out there everyday, good luck. without a huge public event that is nationwide you lack the attention or exposure.
life these days is controlled and motivated with fear, if we dont have that tool what are we as growers armed with, nothing.
so now we have 266, where we the mice have cozied up to the dragon, knowing we will lose so much trying to make away with just a little.
so now you guys want to start a growers union but greed of the individual will destroy that, so many think that they are just that much better. ok so what set this union up based upon what? what type of gauge puts us all on the same level playing field? experience?investment?demographic? where do we bank our assets? how do we generate legal funding, large scale? how do we get politicians on our side or get one of us in office? where is the appeasement for the govt? taxes aint going to be enough. how do we get ahead of the multibillion dollar corps marbrollo, camel, and the rest that are also looking to jump into the industry.
HOW?
for those of you wanting to start a forum growers union and spread the knowledge to other non forum growers, maybe, but as far as organizing the chaos thats out there everyday, good luck. without a huge public event that is nationwide you lack the attention or exposure.
life these days is controlled and motivated with fear, if we dont have that tool what are we as growers armed with, nothing.
so now we have 266, where we the mice have cozied up to the dragon, knowing we will lose so much trying to make away with just a little.
so now you guys want to start a growers union but greed of the individual will destroy that, so many think that they are just that much better. ok so what set this union up based upon what? what type of gauge puts us all on the same level playing field? experience?investment?demographic? where do we bank our assets? how do we generate legal funding, large scale? how do we get politicians on our side or get one of us in office? where is the appeasement for the govt? taxes aint going to be enough. how do we get ahead of the multibillion dollar corps marbrollo, camel, and the rest that are also looking to jump into the industry.
HOW?
I'm not a Californian, guys, but you have my sympathy. In my very humble opinion, the best thing an individual Californian can do is grow as much as possible, legal or not, and give the shit away to friends and neighbors, the homeless, the poor, and anybody else who struggles with life.
@Lyfspan all great input my friend, thanks for posting everything you do. I'm still reading and researching across the web. It seams all that money I donated to ASA and Norml was a waiste; along with those emails and calls to legislators! I've a friend who comments elsewhere that the issues about Doctors and rules for them is not legal as 215 was a voted in initiative and can only be changed legally by another public vote. The rest...contemplating still Sir....DD
kakaman
Member
This bill would allow the government to regulate the amount of THC found in medical marijuana. Maybe people in Cali should start sending the high potency clones to friends outside of the state to preserve the genetics before the Cali state regulators start to force clone nursery's to start destroying the super potency clones.
Pharmaceutical company lobbyists may try to get the state gov to down regulate potency to the point of making medical marijuana ineffective to drive people towards pharmaceutical drugs. They also don't define "potency" so they could also use regulation to try and control how much CBD is in plants as well.
Pharmaceutical company lobbyists may try to get the state gov to down regulate potency to the point of making medical marijuana ineffective to drive people towards pharmaceutical drugs. They also don't define "potency" so they could also use regulation to try and control how much CBD is in plants as well.
http://m.eastbayexpress.com/Legaliza...lations-ab-266
I did a quick skim on the .pdf that this article links to and didnt see anything about doctors or recommendations. The article does state
"— It leaves doctor’s recommendations alone. The California Medical Board doesn’t really get people complaining about doctors recommending cannabis, so little will actually be done to limit that."
...hope I'm not missing something. As a grow my own guy, my concern is mostly about my ability to continue getting my rec renewed. It does seem like those that work with collectives on a small scale are going to be drowned in red tape.
I did a quick skim on the .pdf that this article links to and didnt see anything about doctors or recommendations. The article does state
"— It leaves doctor’s recommendations alone. The California Medical Board doesn’t really get people complaining about doctors recommending cannabis, so little will actually be done to limit that."
...hope I'm not missing something. As a grow my own guy, my concern is mostly about my ability to continue getting my rec renewed. It does seem like those that work with collectives on a small scale are going to be drowned in red tape.
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